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I hear a lot of Crean bashing through all of this. He was an awful "in game coach" that much is true, however if we come out of this clean then I think we owe him a lot more gratitude than he's gettin

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3 hours ago, VO5 said:

I get the premise of having another league, but I'm guessing most of those guys wouldn't want to go and make 50-75k when they'll get more exposure and potential sponsorships out of playing in college. I just don't think it would change that much unless they had the ability to offer guys hundreds of thousands. 

It would really only change the necessity of their going to college.  That by itself brings baggage; which we're clearly seeing now.   A true minor league would provide an avenue for kids who perhaps have the raw ability but are under-developed (which most 18 year old's are) to work on their career without having to fake it on a university campus.   If they're good enough, a small salary will be short-lived.  If they're not; they'll learn quickly.  College (as a student) would still be an option if they so choose.   

I would disagree and say many of them (especially the borderline kids) would absolutely rather work in a minor league for $75K than go to college.  The days of kids going to college and not going to class are numbered if not over, now.  No longer can a kid use college ONLY as a springboard.  Those days ended (at least for now) earlier this week.  The whole game changed instantly.

My guess is the NBA would support the league, and salaries would be tiered, same as they are in minor league baseball.  There are guys in A ball making far more than guys in AAA.  Depends on their status with teams.  Some 18 year old kids have potential NBA teams will invest in.  Any kid making $50-$75K would be a long shot to begin with.  His NBA hopes would likely be just that; so at least he'd be getting paid to play ball.  Maybe he's auditioning to play over seas?  Maybe he's like so many minor league baseball players who are content to get paid to play a kids' game until he can't anymore.   The NBA is an exclusive club.  Yes, there will be some kids who play in a minor league who never make it.   There may be MANY who never make it.   However I still think the kids who don't want college would play there until they were told they can't.  

The farce of a one and done kid going to a school like Duke, for example is just that.   A farce.   Any kid who stays on that campus for only a year has no real reason to be there in the 1st place.  I have a relative close to that campus, and she has told me on many occasions the basketball players are not regulars in the classroom.  That's a supposed elite academic institution (and I would push back on anyone who tried to convince me of that); so why would any person stay there for just one year without transferring somewhere else?  You don't GO to an elite school for just one year unless you're faking it.

I am jumping off my soapbox, now.  I obviously think this will ultimately be good for college basketball; and probably the NBA, too.

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I personally don't think the NBA would be interested in creating a minor league system. They already have the G League and that seems to work pretty well. The two-way contracts will help with it. I see no incentive to go beyond that.

Right now they have NCAA basketball to use as their true "minor league system." Players get to be coached by some of the best coaches in the world and it doesn't cost the teams anything. They get a year to see how players look against top competition, reducing the risks of whiffing on a high draft pick. 

I think one and dones like being in college. They get all the perks of being big man on campus. I don't see them giving that up to go play in 1/3 full arenas in some random city they traveled to on a bus. The minor leagues aren't glamorous but big time college basketball certainly is. 

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Look I get those in the profession defend themselves but Jay bilas has gone all in on Sean Miller. Says he's a great man of integrity and it's laughable he would if known anything. Seriously jay? Miller might have his tracks covered but come on jay.

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Bailey7878 said:

Look I get those in the profession defend themselves but Jay bilas has gone all in on Sean Miller. Says he's a great man of integrity and it's laughable he would if known anything. Seriously jay? Miller might have his tracks covered but come on jay.




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Normally not a huge fan of Bilas, but in this case, I'm all for it. The better Sean looks, the better Archie will look. Although Sean's actions have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with Archie, there are plenty of people out there who will associate the two and assume that because Sean's program is suspect, Archie's is, too. Obviously none of us will, but don't doubt that other schools will use that in recruiting against IU. 

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2 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

Normally not a huge fan of Bilas, but in this case, I'm all for it. The better Sean looks, the better Archie will look. Although Sean's actions have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with Archie, there are plenty of people out there who will associate the two and assume that because Sean's program is suspect, Archie's is, too. Obviously none of us will, but don't doubt that other schools will use that in recruiting against IU. 

 

Archie was on staff with Sean and Book for two years. A long time ago, but it has jus-a-little to do with Archie.

 

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25 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Archie was on staff with Sean and Book for two years. A long time ago, but it has jus-a-little to do with Archie.

 

Given the supposed closeness of the family and the fact they have worked together, it's hard for me to believe that Archie didn't at the very least suspect something was going on. And, to me Sean's position is indefensible. Knowing or not knowing are both offences that should lead to termination. Head coaches have to be responsible for the actions of their assistants. It's one thing to discover wrongdoing in your program and take appropriate action and entirely another when someone else discovers it.

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24 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Yawn...pretty slow start today. Friday is typically "take out the trash" day in the media, so we'll see if things start blowing up later.

I'm wondering if the Louisville acting prez will make a move regarding a coach today. He said on Wednesday that since practice starts Friday (today), he wanted to have an interim coach in place within the next 48 hours. I haven't seen anything yet. I find it difficult to imagine it would be Crean, but stranger things have happened ... 

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6 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

I'm wondering if the Louisville acting prez will make a move regarding a coach today. He said on Wednesday that since practice starts Friday (today), he wanted to have an interim coach in place within the next 48 hours. I haven't seen anything yet. I find it difficult to imagine it would be Crean, but stranger things have happened ... 

Just saw a tweet that coach will be announced this afternoon.

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6 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

I'm wondering if the Louisville acting prez will make a move regarding a coach today. He said on Wednesday that since practice starts Friday (today), he wanted to have an interim coach in place within the next 48 hours. I haven't seen anything yet. I find it difficult to imagine it would be Crean, but stranger things have happened ... 

https://twitter.com/rickbozich/status/913768765690728448

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I don't know the numbers but I would imagine the vast majority of student-athletes end up being [insert profession here] and not a professional athlete of [insert sport here] after they graduate.  

Also, I have a feeling a very small percentage of student-athletes compared to the total amount of student-athletes competing in the NCAA are part of this investigation.  It looks as though this is geared towards elite athletes and based on their market value.  I could be wrong though.  But I'm skeptic that folks like Johnny Jager are getting some sort of compensation from Adidas.  Heck even folks like Newkirk or Johnson for that matter.  I don't have any proof but I don't think this is anything new.  It's probably been like this for decades. 

A minor league won't fix this because capitalism exist at the college level.  Once we fully embrace that concept then and only then fixes can occur.  

 

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