Player and Recruit Retention News/Discussion & Potential Transfers

[HoosierAloha]

Newkirk made more plays for himself than for others. He had more playing time but he really seemed to have nice spark for us down the stretch (when RoJo was providing very little). I think Newkirk making plays is often forgotten because he was not doing this for others or consistently during the year.

Green made some plays for others that no one else did and it will be good if that increases as he gets more time.

Agreed, I thought Newkirk played better down the stretch. I think Green has a much higher ceiling and needs more live game action. I can see David getting better entry passes and drop offs for easy buckets, JMo slashing, and our shooters getting better looks with Green. Newkirk seems to be more of a one trick pony and not much of a lead guard that makes others better.

[goonaha]

Seeing as how neither RoJo nor JBJ got invited to the combine, shouldn't we hear soon about their decision? How much more feedback can they get without attending the combine? Can they do individual workouts with teams up until the May 26th deadline / is that within the rules?

[Brass Cannon]

15 minutes ago, goonaha said:

Seeing as how neither RoJo nor JBJ got invited to the combine, shouldn't we hear soon about their decision? How much more feedback can they get without attending the combine? Can they do individual workouts with teams up until the May 26th deadline / is that within the rules?

Pretty sure teams can still invite them to private workouts

[goonaha]

1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said:

Pretty sure teams can still invite them to private workouts

If that's the case then there's still a high risk that a team tells Blackmon that they will draft him in the second round or sign him as an undrafted free agent a la Troy and Yogi. Shooting is always a valuable commodity, regardless of defensive capabilities. As much as I love RoJo, I don't see that type of guarantee being made to him. 

[HoosierX]

1 hour ago, goonaha said:

If that's the case then there's still a high risk that a team tells Blackmon that they will draft him in the second round or sign him as an undrafted free agent a la Troy and Yogi. Shooting is always a valuable commodity, regardless of defensive capabilities. As much as I love RoJo, I don't see that type of guarantee being made to him. 

No one is going to guarantee Blackmon they will draft him.  I will continue to assert that Blackmon wouldn't get drafted if there were 3 rounds.

However, if he wants to go play overseas, more power to him.  Another year in college will not help him...he is who he is at this point.

[Brass Cannon]

Nobody will guarantee he gets drafted.  There are a handful of teams I could imagine would tell him now he would get a training camp contract

[goonaha]

I'd suggest looking at second round picks from the last few drafts before emphatically saying no or that there's a 0% chance. Crazier things have happened than taking a flier on a great college scorer who you expect to shoot 40+% from 3 as a pro. 

[Chris007]

Mark Cuban says it's better to go undrafted then to get drafted in the 2nd round. Undrafted players can get guaranteed contracts, 2nd round draft picks I guess can't? But I thought Lance Stephenson got one from Larry Bird a few years ago. Maybe it's the choice of the owner-GM.

[VO5]

I'm wishing the best for Blackmon and hope he gets paid, whether that is the D-league or overseas. As an NBA player I just can't see it. James is what, 6'4? That would project him as an NBA 1 or small 2 guard. James neither has the vision or quickness to play the 1. This would leave him playing the 2 spot only. He definitely has the shooting ability to play that position, but his real trouble is on D.

Can you imagine him trying to guard the best 2s in the league, even the backups for that matter? He gets blown by on a regular basis in college. You can hide certain shooters in the league on D like Channing Frye, but only because he's versatile at 6'8. I can't point to a single 2 guard in the NBA that gets consistent minutes and doesn't play solid D. I just don't see the lateral quickness with James to ever be able to guard effectively. Again, I wish him the best and hope he proves me wrong. I just highly doubt he has any shot.

[HoosierAloha]

Mark Cuban says it's better to go undrafted then to get drafted in the 2nd round. Undrafted players can get guaranteed contracts, 2nd round draft picks I guess can't? But I thought Lance Stephenson got one from Larry Bird a few years ago. Maybe it's the choice of the owner-GM.

You can pick your team as an UFA. If you're drafted in the second round the team gets first shot at you.

[triple]

4 hours ago, 8bucks said:

 

Newkirk made more plays for himself than for others. He had more playing time but he really seemed to have nice spark for us down the stretch (when RoJo was providing very little). I think Newkirk making plays is often forgotten because he was not doing this for others or consistently during the year.

Green made some plays for others that no one else did and it will be good if that increases as he gets more time.

Agreed.  Newkirk emerged as a play maker but I'm torn as to whether it was a cause, reaction or a little bit of both as it relates to the lack of teamwork on the offensive end. I believe Green should get more time next season, but I'd like to see a healthy split between the two provided CAM does what I believe he will do...get them focused on making plays for others!

[HoosierX]

4 hours ago, goonaha said:

I'd suggest looking at second round picks from the last few drafts before emphatically saying no or that there's a 0% chance. Crazier things have happened than taking a flier on a great college scorer who you expect to shoot 40+% from 3 as a pro. 

I would suggest you take a look at some of the guards projected to go back half of the 2nd round.

It would be silly to say there is a 0% chance he gets drafted but it's pretty close.

[RaceToTheTop]

On 5/1/2017 at 2:54 PM, Brass Cannon said:

To be fair Archie might be able to teach him some fundamentals

He is a very untalented player.  If he doesn't have fundamentals to begin with and he's a senior, I"m not sure what teaching them would do.  Put those minutes elsewhere.

[Bowhunter]

I didn't like Newkirk at first, but he outplayed Rojo and Blackman down the stretch. He was no slouch in high school. Rated pretty high as well. I would like to see him with the new coaching staff before I right him off. He has game!

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[Trish]

17 minutes ago, Bowhunter said:

I didn't like Newkirk at first, but he outplayed Rojo and Blackman down the stretch. He was no slouch in high school. Rated pretty high as well. I would like to see him with the new coaching staff before I right him off. He has game!

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As was I and I'm still on the fence about him. I'm curious to see what a real basketball coach who played D1 as a PG could do with Josh.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Newkirk really needs to improve his dribbling. Not high level PG ball handling.


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[Capt. Crimson]

Newkirk definitely lost us a couple games this year but in the end he improved and think the problem ran deeper than himself.

Interested to see what Miller can do with him. He showed raw flashes of talent throughout the year. With a little discipline in his decision making, think we could get a lot more from him.


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[rcbowla]

9 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Mark Cuban says it's better to go undrafted then to get drafted in the 2nd round. Undrafted players can get guaranteed contracts, 2nd round draft picks I guess can't? But I thought Lance Stephenson got one from Larry Bird a few years ago. Maybe it's the choice of the owner-GM.

The way I understand it is that some teams will offer guaranteed contracts to 2nd Rd. draft picks if they wish. Others will draft a player in the 2nd Rd. to be stashed in the D-League and only eligible to that team. If the player does not wish to do this then they can tell the team that they don't want to be drafted by them, which I heard actually happened with Yogi. The reason to decline this option is that if you go undrafted you then have the freedom to choose your spot rather than being at one team's mercy.

[Alford Bailey]

14 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Newkirk really needs to improve his dribbling. Not high level PG ball handling.


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And finishing at the rim. Or at least draw the foul.

[IUsafety]

Thomas Bryant to participate in the 5 on 5 at the NBA Draft Combine. JBJ and RoJo not even included on their list of top prospects not accounted for or not invited.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2017-nba-draft-combine-unofficial-invitee-breakdown-5909/


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