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I don't disagree with your line of thinking here. If we really are spending top 10-15/25, then having the somewhere between 40-45th best team is unacceptable long-term. I agree NIL has to be factored into the discussion. With all of that said, when looking at this season I think you also have to handicap that the roster had to be built 100% from scratch with a completey new staff. That part has to factor in as well. That's why the bar should absolutely be raised for next year. While they're not great, we'll have some guys returning and the staff is fully in place. I've been pretty happy with his actual coaching, but I do have big concerns on how DeVries pulls this off next season. He is going to need to land a massive haul in the portal, and it will need to be a big upgrade over last offseasons portal haul. I'm not sure he can do it? It's a tall task given what IU has been the last decade.

It's gonna need to be an A this off-season.

Oh well. WL is a dump, Purdue fans are ugly, and IUFB is the reigning national champion.

Why not? Plenty of teams that can’t compete against the upper level teams make the tourney. Does a TCU team that has a home loss to New Orleans deserve to be in besides IU? Got to field 68 teams and if IU is one of them even though they have flaws then so be it. It is what it is. They played 2 projected 2 seeds on the road and got blasted by 2 teams that are better then they are

I can’t wait for the day Trey Kaufman Ren moves on from basketball and becomes an insurance salesman. This dude literally only draws fouls and shoots freethrows…..the only game he has

#1 reason to want Painter to leave the conference. He’s been the most vocal voice in keeping the officiating terrible. Probably because Purdue can’t win without it

Plenty of posters said this team would a bottom of the bracket seeded team and that’s exactly where they are at. If you thought this team was an upper tier team then that’s on the individual posters. Nothing wrong with hoping though to each their own

Watch one of the last 2 Bucket games. Its IU at its best with a side of Benny Hill.

This game is going to force me to watch endless videos tonight of Mendoza diving into the the end zone before I can fall asleep.

If we were matching the physicality we would have already fouled out. Coach needs to take the fine and just roast these officials the entire press conference.

Time to start scouting what potential 14 seed is gonna beat Purdon't next month.

It's an interesting thing. In terms of basketball coaching, I think he's gotten more out of less. Not a great deal more, but IMO more out of less. That's meaning what he's done with this roster. In terms of the building of the roster and the money spent, we did not get the bang for our buck. Spending $10-$11M should have gotten us a legit power 5 big and point guard. That's why my big concern remains recruiting, not the actual coaching.

That is a talent issue. Wr have some young guys who could develop into something but Wilkerson and to a lesser extent Devries are the only two guys on our team who would get major minutes at a Top 5 Big Ten program. Everyone else is either a developing bench player or one of those players who has been in the program for 3 or 4 years that comes in and can give you a solid few minutes while the starter is getting a blow. So far, we are treading water of the Woodson era. He had better players but couldn't coach them and in year one I think Devries can coach but he doesn't have a competitive roster. You have to have both of those things in your favor to win at an acceptable level.

Probably no one cares, but Dusty May's first trip to Mackey Arena was a 91-64 loss. Purdue fans were snickering after that one, saying "this is who IU fans wanted?" I know we aren't going to match what he did last year, but felt it was worth mentioning.

Only watched a half but against teams that pressure us we pass it around the perimeter for 20 seconds without even a look at the basket and then heave up a contested shot. Wish we played faster. Not much drive and kick against good teams

Widest in a Purdue win perhaps. But we beat them in Mackey 97-60 in 2013

Student Mgr saw our posts and told Coach

LOTS of emo-posting tonight lol.

They're calling fouls on us because Kaufman-Renn is uncoordinated.

If the officiating is like this in the 2nd half and DDV doesn't get a tech I will really be wondering why the hell not

If DeVries doesn’t get a tech tonight… I’m convinced he never will

Good things starting to happen with attacking the basket.

Most aggressive reed bailey has ever been and he gets called for a charge. Ok then

We passed it to Bailey in the paint and he scored. I saw it. No, I’m not kidding

USC just choked away a game at home. Oregon comes back and wins it

It’s so much more cost-effective to have six potential returnees, all of whom will come fairly cheaply, and all of whom our staff has a clear sense of their value and whether they can contribute at the relatively low price they command. Add our three incoming freshman to that mix, and we have nine slots where the staff already knows their value relative to budget. Whereas for the year we’re currently in, the staff only knew value relative to budget for two guys, Enright and Tucker. Of those two, one of them has underperformed (Tucker) and one has over performed relative to their budgetary expectations. It’s a huge advantage when trying to build a roster that will outperform expenditures to already have a sense of as many as nine of your 13 slots for next year.

Head coaches don't build rosters. Assistants do. They have national and now international connections that bubble up names and they go see see them. The come up with a dozen or so names in each class starting when they're incoming freshmen. They start working them it depends on the culture of whomever they're working for on who the put the most time into. DD hadn't been working players for damn near a decade and he thought he had Murphy and Moikobu coming in to build a roster for him that reflected their prowess. Rod Clark was prayer answered but too late to do anything about the 26' team. Kenny and Drew have temp contracts. 2 years each. I have to believe it's because they're were emergency filler and will be replaced. Geoff Alexander and Chin Coleman would immediately change our talent level. Along with Rod Clark, that's a serious staff. All of this will come down to money though. I believe in DD more now than i did when we hired him. He can coach an offense that can hang a banner. He needs talent acquisition specialists.

If it means anything his WVU team last year was way more talented. I doubt Devries forgot how to evaluate in a year so I have to hope it’ll be better with a full offseason but ya this roster isn’t great outside of Lamar

One step forward, two steps back

Welcome to the bubble, Clemson

I saw nowhere that we are close to 25 mil in basketball. Football yes. 10ish million is what I’ve seen bandied about for basketball. Saw someone on another board claiming we will be around 12.5 million for next year. I think DeVries is doing fine. He needs to make the tournament though. Building a team from scratch at a program that’s been dog piss for decades is not a recipe to have an elite program year 1. We now have some returners that are young and a recruiting class that appears to be solid for the long term. With the bulk of our NIL funds available to go get 4-5 players for next year. It’s there to take a step forward next year. It’s all about roster construction bc I believe he knows how to coach. Latest rumor I saw “coming from trilly” is we are in for Duke guard Darren Harris. I’m interested to see if we land high major athletes with skills for next year. edit: I don’t think Tucker was a discount. I think he took market value and is set up financially. It’s his one year payday. Pure conjecture on my part but it think it’s part of our roster construction issue for this year. Wilkerson was was another 2.5 mil?

Seeing how we had the talent to beat that same team once already, I’m going to say it was actually an execution issue last night.

Any chance Lamar wants to come back lol. Football players have been petitioning their JUCO years shouldn’t count

At this point I would start to worry about him transferring out

Sisley can't be a worse option than Dorn and MIles the last week games.

I’m starting to entertain the possibility that we might not win this evening.

I hope Devries has a portal Haul because we are far off from being a legit team. Good teams don’t consistently get blown out on the road against above average teams

Fox almost did a colonoscopy on old Gene.

His fake tough guy bit is a joke. Dude got his a$$ beat by Michigan and sat there like a cuck.

And Purdue can’t believe it!!!!! a foul against them, Mackey gonna fall apart at the seams…..I hate Purdue

Its tee time, Coach

TKR throwing that shoulder / elbow like Edey used to. Lol. He will probably have a kinda OK career in a mediocre overseas league for a handful of years before he is selling cars or holding a clipboard and Gatorade.

Tucker can’t even cut without being two-hand grabbed. This is garbage basketball.

Another whistle…the sky is blue and the grass is green…another tick tack foul at Mackey

Purdue flops like crazy and Painter is a decent, but very gimmicky coach. He does not impress me at all. No I will not explain further.

C'mon, Tuck -- when you got the little Amish boy on you, TAKE HIM TO THE BUCKET!

Also, in 49 states that Conerway play is a blocking foul

Loyer flops lol