IU Basketball: Who is leaving? Who is staying?

[KB0 827]

Important to remember that the starting five/rotation to start the season will likely be very different by the end of the season.

I would guess the starting five for the first game would look like this (assuming everyone is healthy and Troy is gone):

RoJo

JBJ

OG

Hartman

Bryant

 

Davis/Morgan/CuJo are the first three off the bench.

 

[incrediboy 922]

On 4/6/2016 at 0:09 PM, Never Daunted said:

Bryant makes us elite. Without Bryant, it will be a struggle.

Hello eliteness! 

If Blackmon learns to play defense and we can stay healthy, we're potentially a Final Four team. I can't wait!

[AKHoosier 6,739]

3 hours ago, KB0 said:

Important to remember that the starting five/rotation to start the season will likely be very different by the end of the season.

I would guess the starting five for the first game would look like this (assuming everyone is healthy and Troy is gone):

RoJo

JBJ

OG

Hartman

Bryant

 

Davis/Morgan/CuJo are the first three off the bench.

 

I think it's highly unlikely Newkirk isn't among the top 9 in our rotation. He'd be a top 4 guard though, so maybe that's all that really matters.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 83,950]

Niego to transfer hoping to land a full scholarship offer.  Don't blame him in the least and wish him the very best.  Even with limited minutes, he made contributions that were important to our season's success.

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2016/04/08/iu-freshman-walk--harrison-niego-transfer/82817456/

[NRT137 316]

[Hoosiers219 178]

Agree. Instant game changer on D. I think he will be a better shot blocker and Defender than TB early. Doesn't have anywhere near offensive polish as TB. Both are excellent FT shooting big men. DD will be 5-7 ranked in minutes played I think.

Agreed. He'll get plenty of minutes next year.

DD will be phenomenal around the rim on D. He will need some time offensively, but I like to think a year is all he'll require to avg. 10 pts a game his sophomore year. He'll grab boards and protect the rim this year. If he's opportunistic on the offensive end, with his defensive proficiency, I think most will be happy.

I also feel his D is so good, it makes his O look lesser. I think it's a bit better than what he is given credit for in many instances.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Best wishes to Niego!  He worked hard and gave us some valuable minutes. I hope he lands a D1 offer.

[Hoosiers219 178]

I think he'll primarily backup TB but could play alongside Bryant for stretches too. TB averaged 23 mph this past season and that was with foul trouble while Max averaged 18. I'm guessing TB jumps up to about 28 mpg leaving 12 mpg at the 5. If DD gets all those minutes plus 6 minutes alongside TB that's still only 18 mpg. I don't see him averaging over 20 a game.

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Getting close to 20 minutes would be ideal. I suspect you're correct and he'll get an average of 15-18 minutes a game. He will get time at the 4 and the 5, so perhaps his minutes increase significantly as the year progresses.

[HoosierAloha 30,024]

Getting close to 20 minutes would be ideal. I suspect you're correct and he'll get an average of 15-18 minutes a game. He will get time at the 4 and the 5, so perhaps his minutes increase significantly as the year progresses.

Yeah, I think he starts out getting 12-15 early in the year. It will be mostly as TB's backup while he gets his feet wet. When he gets used to the speed of the college game I think it goes up a bit to 15-18. A lot will depend on TB picking up fouls for being in the general area of certain players. That should decrease as a sophomore and a little less complaining.

I agree on DD though. His defense should be above average. He will get called for those "really?!" Fouls in the B1G though. If he can be a garbage man by getting points off Orebs and drop offs I could see him averaging between 6-8 ppg. We were a damn good Oreb team last season and should be even better this season.

Last and maybe most important statement: DeRon Davis could be Crean's most important big recruit. That sounds crazy given Zeller, Vonleh, and Bryant before him. However, Davis is outside that "one and done" range of high school recruits. Davis could be the player Crean points to when recruiting bugs in the future.

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[LockdownD 2,221]

Do we know if the Derby Classic will be broadcast on ESPN or Fox?  I'm sure I've watch these games the last several years.  Really like to get a preview of DD and Curtis Jones.

[IUsince1980 315]

According to Boznick, Troys decision coming soon.

[hoosierpap 14,300]

2 hours ago, IUsince1980 said:

According to Boznick, Troys decision coming soon.

“Right now, I’m still deciding,” Williams said. “I’ll be making an announcement here soon. In the next couple of days.”

http://www.insidethehall.com/2016/04/09/troy-williams-says-nba-draft-decision-coming-soon/

[IUsince1980 315]

I think he is legitimately torn

[yogisballin 2,297]

I think he is legitimately torn

I'm actually in the crowd that wants Troy to come back next season. I know some here like to see him go but in my opinion, he would only make us that much stronger. I probably wouldn't have said that at the beginning of this past season but as the season went along. I saw more of the good Toy, especially after the Mich St game. What would our lineup look like then?

RoJo/CuJo/Newkirk

Troy /JBJ/CuJo

OG/Juwan

Hartman/Davis/Juwan

T Bryant/Davis

Man we are going to be pretty damn good!!! Deep and a lot of length as well.

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[Dalton26 16,892]

I'm actually in the crowd that wants Troy to come back next season. I know some here like to see him go but in my opinion, he would only make us that much stronger. I probably wouldn't have said that at the beginning of this past season but as the season went along. I saw more of the good Toy, especially after the Mich St game. What would our lineup look like then?

RoJo/CuJo/Newkirk

Troy /JBJ/CuJo

OG/Juwan

Hartman/Davis/Juwan

T Bryant/Davis

Man we are going to be pretty damn good!!! Deep and a lot of length as well.

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I think Hartman would be coming off the bench not JBJ.

[HoosierAloha 30,024]

I'm actually in the crowd that wants Troy to come back next season. I know some here like to see him go but in my opinion, he would only make us that much stronger. I probably wouldn't have said that at the beginning of this past season but as the season went along. I saw more of the good Toy, especially after the Mich St game. What would our lineup look like then?

RoJo/CuJo/Newkirk

Troy /JBJ/CuJo

OG/Juwan

Hartman/Davis/Juwan

T Bryant/Davis

Man we are going to be pretty damn good!!! Deep and a lot of length as well.

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4 wings/bigs in the starting lineup? I just don't see it.

G - RoJo/Newkirk/Green

G - JBJ/CuJo

W - Troy/OG/Gelon

W - Hartman/JMor/Priller

B - TB/DD

We could go 10 deep with solid 1-2 from each position. The versatility of these players could make for some interesting lineups.

If DD proves himself to be a capable shooter it would be fun to see a RoJo, Troy, OG, DD, and TB. You could invert that lineup against a bigger team like a pu or Wiscy and cause trouble with guards back cutting and rebounding while your bugs are capable of hitting shots from deep.

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[BGleas 7,880]

1 hour ago, yogisballin said:

I'm actually in the crowd that wants Troy to come back next season. I know some here like to see him go but in my opinion, he would only make us that much stronger. I probably wouldn't have said that at the beginning of this past season but as the season went along. I saw more of the good Toy, especially after the Mich St game. What would our lineup look like then?

RoJo/CuJo/Newkirk

Troy /JBJ/CuJo

OG/Juwan

Hartman/Davis/Juwan

T Bryant/Davis

Man we are going to be pretty damn good!!! Deep and a lot of length as well.

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I'm torn on Troy. I generally don't like low BBall IQ guys that take bad shots and turn it over a lot, but at the same time he does things on the court that are great too, and at times was our best player. I think there's also something to be said for having guys that have been in the program 3-4 years and for minimizing turnover. One thing this years team had that we lacked the previous two years was multiple seniors and only 3 scholarship freshmen. 

[coonhounds 8,787]

To me troy has his faults and he drives me crazy alot. The notion we are better without him is absurd to me though

[MadAboutIndiana 402]

To me troy has his faults and he drives me crazy alot. The notion we are better without him is absurd to me though

If he ever "gets it" it could be a sight to behold at the college level. His ability to get to the rim is elite. Just wish he could finish.

[HoosierAloha 30,024]

If he ever "gets it" it could be a sight to behold at the college level. His ability to get to the rim is elite. Just wish he could finish.

That's the most frustrating thing with Troy among many frustrating things. He would have halves or whole games where he would finish everything around the rim and/or get fouled. His shoulders would be squared to the goal and his "flips" would fall. The next game his shoulders would be pointing to the sideline or damn near half court while he was tossing the ball towards the rim. Actually I would rank bad Troy's issues as follows:

- Concentration

- Consistency

- Finishing at the rim

- Turnovers

- Court vision

- Shooting

This is not to pile on Troy. If people didn't see the obvious talent potential Troy possesses we would never have these conversations. If he addressed the first two issues above the other four would be solved. He has the athletic ability and talent to be a solid NBA pro but I'm not sure he has the mental ability to take advantage of it.

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