Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[BA47591]

22 minutes ago, Victor said:

I bet not. I challenge everyone to go watch his teams. 

Completely different staff. This one currently has no one on it with a defensive pedigree. I doubt much carries over from last years WVU team. With what we have, I'd play a lot of 3/2 zone and mix in box and 1, triangle and 2, match-up zone. The only place we have a really solid defender is at the point of attack. 

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3 minutes ago, BA47591 said:

Completely different staff. This one currently has no one on it with a defensive pedigree. I doubt much carries over from last years WVU team. With what we have, I'd play a lot of 3/2 zone and mix in box and 1, triangle and 2, match-up zone. The only place we have a really solid defender is at the point of attack. 

Are you just throwing out names of defensive schemes to show how smart you are??jk

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13 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Seems my goal of getting into the top 25 preseason on hype and roster assessment is a long shot now.  Hopfullly DeVries can surpass expectations and we start to be considered a top 25 program again at some point.  

We have to earn that national respect and regardless of it being a new staff and roster, the last time IU was ranked preseason we ended the year terribly and became a laughing stock. The brand hasn’t recovered because that’s hardly a one-off over the past 25 years. I think we’ll enjoy exceeding preseason expectations for a change (hopefully). Year 2 we should expect to be T25 coming in, I’d think is fair.

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14 minutes ago, BA47591 said:

Completely different staff. This one currently has no one on it with a defensive pedigree. I doubt much carries over from last years WVU team. With what we have, I'd play a lot of 3/2 zone and mix in box and 1, triangle and 2, match-up zone. The only place we have a really solid defender is at the point of attack. 

Then we'd have to teach all of that in practice 

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22 minutes ago, BA47591 said:

Completely different staff. This one currently has no one on it with a defensive pedigree. I doubt much carries over from last years WVU team. With what we have, I'd play a lot of 3/2 zone and mix in box and 1, triangle and 2, match-up zone. The only place we have a really solid defender is at the point of attack. 

Some packline

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50 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Seems my goal of getting into the top 25 preseason on hype and roster assessment is a long shot now.  Hopfullly DeVries can surpass expectations and we start to be considered a top 25 program again at some point.  

Top 25 programs right now are built on names that voters know and not necessarily on actual roster talent.

Production over potential seemed to be motto of a successful football coach last year.

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Sinceire Harris is a player who played as a freshman at Illinois and wasn't good enough to play as a sophomore so they redshirted him.  To think that DeVries' defensive system didn't have anything to do with Harris' success is false.

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20 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Sinceire Harris is a player who played as a freshman at Illinois and wasn't good enough to play as a sophomore so they redshirted him.  To think that DeVries' defensive system didn't have anything to do with Harris' success is false.

I was thinking along the same lines.  

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We ran the ole 3/2 packed box triangle zone back in the day.  Packed box portion was the most difficult part to coach up.

OK, who we getting to finish out this roster?

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2 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Seems my goal of getting into the top 25 preseason on hype and roster assessment is a long shot now.  Hopfullly DeVries can surpass expectations and we start to be considered a top 25 program again at some point.  

Here you go.  I think you would like this roster. 

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https://x.com/DarrenHeitner/status/1917273709678616939

Anybody know who this guy represented?  A few other people in the comments complimenting Indiana as well.  Won't hurt to get a reputation with agents to be on the up and up with the athletes.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

You guys can mock all you want. I’ve had a realistic approach to my fandom all along and have been more accurate in my assessments than most.  
 

I’m optimistic with a new coach and systems and style and for that alone im happy.  

but we tout a top 10 Nil budget supposedly but didn’t act like we have one.  
 

we are pumping up mid major guys of varying degrees of clout, talent, and success that we hope will translate.  (It might work-it certainly might not)  

We clown our team last season as a reason you don’t want a good portal class but forget our coach is the major reason that class stunk.  Give me that roster with a legitimate coach and a better SG than Carlyle (that I never liked) and that team could have done some things.  Should have.   
 

I look at a lot of college basketball rosters and I’m envious.  I REALLY like DeVries and Wilkerson.  I have varying degrees of thoughts on the rest of the roster. I like Bailey a lot offensively but I wonder if his game will work against better, more athletic bigs.  I could go player by player.

 

To me, it’s just a total wait and see roster and doesn’t justify anywhere near top 10 NIL.  I’d rather spend big and get 8 dudes and pay pennies for the rest of the roster.  Top8 wins  our top 8 is top 30-45 good to me.  
 

Im allowed to be unimpressed.  

 

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Just now, WayneFleekHoosier said:

You guys can mock all you want. I’ve had a realistic approach to my fandom all along and have been more accurate in my assessments than most.  
 

I’m optimistic with a new coach and systems and style and for that alone im happy.  

but we tout a top 10 Nil budget supposedly but didn’t act like we have one.  
 

we are pumping up mid major guys of varying degrees of clout, talent, and success that we hope will translate.  (It might work-it certainly might not)  

We clown our team last season as a reason you don’t want a good portal class but forget our coach is the major reason that class stunk.  Give me that roster with a legitimate coach and a better SG than Carlyle (that I never liked) and that team could have done some things.  Should have.   
 

I look at a lot of college basketball rosters and I’m envious.  I REALLY like DeVries and Wilkerson.  I have varying degrees of thoughts on the rest of the roster. I like Bailey a lot offensively but I wonder if his game will work against better, more athletic bigs.  I could go player by player.

 

To me, it’s just a total wait and see roster and doesn’t justify anywhere near top 10 NIL.  I’d rather spend big and get 8 dudes and pay pennies for the rest of the roster.  Top8 wins  our top 8 is top 30-45 good to me.  
 

Im allowed to be unimpressed.  

 

I think it is fair to wait for the results to be in.  That being said, there were a bunch of teams last year that on paper didn't look super impressive coming out of portal season and by the end looked better than our highly thought of guys.  Yes, some of that is coaching but I think some is attributable to the attitude those guys came with.

We will have to see how it plays out.

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7 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

You guys can mock all you want. I’ve had a realistic approach to my fandom all along and have been more accurate in my assessments than most.  
 

I’m optimistic with a new coach and systems and style and for that alone im happy.  

but we tout a top 10 Nil budget supposedly but didn’t act like we have one.  
 

we are pumping up mid major guys of varying degrees of clout, talent, and success that we hope will translate.  (It might work-it certainly might not)  

We clown our team last season as a reason you don’t want a good portal class but forget our coach is the major reason that class stunk.  Give me that roster with a legitimate coach and a better SG than Carlyle (that I never liked) and that team could have done some things.  Should have.   
 

I look at a lot of college basketball rosters and I’m envious.  I REALLY like DeVries and Wilkerson.  I have varying degrees of thoughts on the rest of the roster. I like Bailey a lot offensively but I wonder if his game will work against better, more athletic bigs.  I could go player by player.

 

To me, it’s just a total wait and see roster and doesn’t justify anywhere near top 10 NIL.  I’d rather spend big and get 8 dudes and pay pennies for the rest of the roster.  Top8 wins  our top 8 is top 30-45 good to me.  
 

Im allowed to be unimpressed.  

 

Do you have any idea how much they spent and on who or are you just projecting?

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6 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

You guys can mock all you want. I’ve had a realistic approach to my fandom all along and have been more accurate in my assessments than most.  
 

I’m optimistic with a new coach and systems and style and for that alone im happy.  

but we tout a top 10 Nil budget supposedly but didn’t act like we have one.  
 

we are pumping up mid major guys of varying degrees of clout, talent, and success that we hope will translate.  (It might work-it certainly might not)  

We clown our team last season as a reason you don’t want a good portal class but forget our coach is the major reason that class stunk.  Give me that roster with a legitimate coach and a better SG than Carlyle (that I never liked) and that team could have done some things.  Should have.   
 

I look at a lot of college basketball rosters and I’m envious.  I REALLY like DeVries and Wilkerson.  I have varying degrees of thoughts on the rest of the roster. I like Bailey a lot offensively but I wonder if his game will work against better, more athletic bigs.  I could go player by player.

 

To me, it’s just a total wait and see roster and doesn’t justify anywhere near top 10 NIL.  I’d rather spend big and get 8 dudes and pay pennies for the rest of the roster.  Top8 wins  our top 8 is top 30-45 good to me.  
 

Im allowed to be unimpressed.  

 

Who has said we dont want a good portal class?

We have a good portal class, btw. 

I have no idea how this roster will turn out and you're allowed to be unimpressed.  But caring about being preseason top 25 this year is, frankly, and with all due respect... stupid. 

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12 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

You guys can mock all you want. I’ve had a realistic approach to my fandom all along and have been more accurate in my assessments than most.  

I’m optimistic with a new coach and systems and style and for that alone im happy.  
but we tout a top 10 Nil budget supposedly but didn’t act like we have one.  

we are pumping up mid major guys of varying degrees of clout, talent, and success that we hope will translate.  (It might work-it certainly might not)  

 We clown our team last season as a reason you don’t want a good portal class but forget our coach is the major reason that class stunk.  Give me that roster with a legitimate coach and a better SG than Carlyle (that I never liked) and that team could have done some things.  Should have.   

 I look at a lot of college basketball rosters and I’m envious.  I REALLY like DeVries and Wilkerson.  I have varying degrees of thoughts on the rest of the roster. I like Bailey a lot offensively but I wonder if his game will work against better, more athletic bigs.  I could go player by player.

To me, it’s just a total wait and see roster and doesn’t justify anywhere near top 10 NIL.  I’d rather spend big and get 8 dudes and pay pennies for the rest of the roster.  Top8 wins  our top 8 is top 30-45 good to me.  

Im allowed to be unimpressed.  

You're totally allowed to be unimpressed, I also have some skepticism but trying to focus on the positives during the offseason. I think there is a lot to like about the roster / staff and it's ranked #8 currently by 247. The #4 SF, #9 SG, #10 PF. Three other guys in the top 115 (over 2,700 players in the portal) ...  

10 players in the class total so far - a few lower ranked ones that may or may not translate. To your point, you might expect a slightly higher ranking with top 10 NIL... but the class is still ranked highly. It's just not super flashy on paper. Perhaps DDV is stockpiling some cash for year 2 and in year 1 focusing on getting players he thinks he can win with and build his culture without having to overpay for them and deal with all the dynamics that come with that. Total speculation obviously. 

I won't get too high or low until we see them on the court. Thankfully we'll get a preview in August. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Who has said we dont want a good portal class?
We have a good portal class, btw. 
I have no idea how this roster will turn out and you're allowed to be unimpressed.  But caring about being preseason top 25 this year is, frankly, and with all due respect... stupid. 

Really?

We like to say we have top 10 Nil. I’m not convinced we do.

Anyway, it’s not stupid to expect a top 10 Nil budget to put together a top 25 team. Everyone’s counter argument is Woody being ranked last season as a justification for why we don’t want to be ranked. That’s crazy. That’s on Woodson.

We should aspire to be viewed as a top team every single season. I understand it needs to be earned but we could have put together a portal class that would have landed us there.

At this point we don’t even have an obvious 5 starters. We have 3 maybe 4 that would project to start. We have a lot of guys who haven’t won at the mid major level. We have some productive guys from losing teams. It’s been an odd approach to me.

Look at last seasons top 25. It’s generally pretty accurate. Florida was 21. Houston, Duke near the top. Indiana, Rutgers, Cincinnati, UNC were misses. 2 or 3 of those are coaching malpractice.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

You're totally allowed to be unimpressed, I also have some skepticism but trying to focus on the positives during the offseason. I think there is a lot to like about the roster / staff and it's ranked #8 currently by 247. The #4 SF, #9 SG, #10 PF. Three other guys in the top 115 (over 2,700 players in the portal) ...  
10 players in the class total so far - a few lower ranked ones that may or may not translate. To your point, you might expect a slightly higher ranking with top 10 NIL... but the class is still ranked highly. It's just not super flashy on paper. Perhaps DDV is stockpiling some cash for year 2 and in year 1 focusing on getting players he thinks he can win with and build his culture without having to overpay for them and deal with all the dynamics that come with that. Total speculation obviously. 
I won't get too high or low until we see them on the court. Thankfully we'll get a preview in August. 

I think this is fair and on point. Also unimpressive. If he wins at the levels he is expected to with this roster he will get all of my Kudos. I’m expecting bubble city. You know when mid majors play high majors they generally get wrecked for a reason. Don’t get me wrong, I love Wilkerson, I like Bailey a lot. But these guys will have a ton to prove. And then, the rankers are tasked with figuring out the High major/mid major gaps and we are where we are.

I know it’s not fair, but UConn’s roster, or Michigans roster, or St. John’s roster, or………….. I KNOW all the excuses but if you have the funds you build what you want.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

I think this is fair and on point. Also still an unimpressive roster to me. If he wins at the levels he is expected to with this roster he will get all of my Kudos. I’m expecting bubble city. You know when mid majors play high majors they generally get wrecked for a reason. Don’t get me wrong, I love Wilkerson, I like Bailey a lot. But these guys will have a ton to prove. And then, the rankers are tasked with figuring out the High major/mid major gaps and we are where we are.

I know it’s not fair, but UConn’s roster, or Michigans roster, or St. John’s roster, or………….. I KNOW all the excuses but if you have the funds you build what you want.


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44 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

You guys can mock all you want. I’ve had a realistic approach to my fandom all along and have been more accurate in my assessments than most.  
 

I’m optimistic with a new coach and systems and style and for that alone im happy.  

but we tout a top 10 Nil budget supposedly but didn’t act like we have one.  
 

we are pumping up mid major guys of varying degrees of clout, talent, and success that we hope will translate.  (It might work-it certainly might not)  

We clown our team last season as a reason you don’t want a good portal class but forget our coach is the major reason that class stunk.  Give me that roster with a legitimate coach and a better SG than Carlyle (that I never liked) and that team could have done some things.  Should have.   
 

I look at a lot of college basketball rosters and I’m envious.  I REALLY like DeVries and Wilkerson.  I have varying degrees of thoughts on the rest of the roster. I like Bailey a lot offensively but I wonder if his game will work against better, more athletic bigs.  I could go player by player.

 

To me, it’s just a total wait and see roster and doesn’t justify anywhere near top 10 NIL.  I’d rather spend big and get 8 dudes and pay pennies for the rest of the roster.  Top8 wins  our top 8 is top 30-45 good to me.  
 

Im allowed to be unimpressed.  

 

Wayne you are a good guy! Preach it brother. 
 

I’m right there with you on what we did with the money. DeVries and Wiketdon  A plus. The rest of the team is kind of underwhelming for the NIL budget we carry.