Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, DChoosier said:

Ware went from 6 minutes at Oregon to 32 at IU. Who knows how many minutes Ballo gets but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him at 28-30 with MR getting 10-12 at the five.

If the Ballo-MR split was 28-12 at the five, and MR averages 30 a game, it would mean MR and Ballo would only be on the floor together for 18 minutes which I would like to see. 

Ware played 16 mpg at Oregon.

[Stuhoo]

How many minutes are we allotting to Langdon Hatton?

The 100% accurate answer: "It depends."

• depends on how well Hatton plays.
• depends on how well Malik Reneau can handle the 5 when Ballo is off the court
• depends on whether pairing Hatton with either Ballo or Reneau is at times effective.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Sparks played 177 minutes all season which was the least of any scholarship player on the team and that is somehow considered “playing him no matter what the on-court failures are telling you” ????
I think the opposite happened. The former MAC freshman of the year, and second team all-MAC player, barely played because his on-court failures were indeed recognized.

My point was he was a obvious net negative for Indiana pretty much anytime he touched the floor. He averaged 7.33 minutes per game and clearly wasn’t ready for B1G play and particularly Woodson’s use of him. On any decent team he should have been DNP after about 5 non-cons of seeing action. He continued to play. We could have done more Mgbako at the 4. But hockey subs returned and lasted a large part of noncon. It was a terrible roster last year and we learned we didn’t have many options. So it was, what it was and he still played. Cupps should have been about 6 mins a game and Sparks should have been DNP.

On paper Sparks is better than Hatton. On video highlights Ball State Sparks, vs Bellarmine Hatton, I probably lean Sparks. Expecting Hatton to be some playable option for us is a pipedream. I fully understand bench isn’t going to be starter quality. But Sparks played when he shouldn’t have and so will Hatton.


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[CSP]

19 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

 

My point was he was a obvious net negative for Indiana pretty much anytime he touched the floor. He averaged 7.33 minutes per game and clearly wasn’t ready for B1G play and particularly Woodson’s use of him. On any decent team he should have been DNP after about 5 non-cons of seeing action. He continued to play. We could have done more Mgbako at the 4. But hockey subs returned and lasted a large part of noncon. It was a terrible roster last year and we learned we didn’t have many options. So it was, what it was and he still played. Cupps should have been about 6 mins a game and Sparks should have been DNP.

On paper Sparks is better than Hatton. On video highlights Ball State Sparks, vs Bellarmine Hatton, I probably lean Sparks. Expecting Hatton to be some playable option for us is a pipedream. I fully understand bench isn’t going to be starter quality. But Sparks played when he shouldn’t have and so will Hatton.


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He had 9 DNPs, 9 DNPs in conference games alone. 

If you take out UW (which again, Ware was out)--- he played 3MPG in conference games. 68 mins (counting the mins in the conference tourney games) in 22 games. He did not avged 7 mins per game. 

There are so many holes in this conversation/debate it's hard to pin down the issue. Hatton would be playing with a measurably better supporting cast, as well. 

[Uspshoosier]

https://www.on3.com/news/transfer-portal-the-top-centers-still-available/

[AH1971]

5 hours ago, J34 said:

We'll end up getting a serviceable 10-15 mpg big(or 2), who HAS to be as good or better than Durr, Sparks, or even LD. The jury's still out on how well they are coached up(another thread), but I have to admit, what's transpired this offseason, is impressive. 

We already have a serviceable (actually more than serviceable) backup 5 on the roster who can play 10-15 mpg. His name is Malik Reneau. Yes we need another big as an insurance policy (that's where someone like Hatton comes into play) in case someone like Ballo (or Reneau) gets hurt, but the reality is that Ballo and Reneau are going to commandeer the majority of the minutes at the 5 spot with the way the roster is set up.

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

 

My point was he was a obvious net negative for Indiana pretty much anytime he touched the floor. He averaged 7.33 minutes per game and clearly wasn’t ready for B1G play and particularly Woodson’s use of him. On any decent team he should have been DNP after about 5 non-cons of seeing action. He continued to play. We could have done more Mgbako at the 4. But hockey subs returned and lasted a large part of noncon. It was a terrible roster last year and we learned we didn’t have many options. So it was, what it was and he still played. Cupps should have been about 6 mins a game and Sparks should have been DNP.

On paper Sparks is better than Hatton. On video highlights Ball State Sparks, vs Bellarmine Hatton, I probably lean Sparks. Expecting Hatton to be some playable option for us is a pipedream. I fully understand bench isn’t going to be starter quality. But Sparks played when he shouldn’t have and so will Hatton.


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We all understand your opinion of Hatton.  A lot of us — including myself — disagree with it.

saying that Hatton couldn’t be a ‘playable backup option’ to me doesn’t gel with what he can do.  And it doesn’t match up with others who are rating players in the portal think either.  On3 has him as the 4th best remaining center in the portal and the 28th best overall center in the portal including those that have already committed.

[CSP]

Just now, hohohoosiers311 said:

Some of it might stem from Hatton “fatigue” especially those from southern Indiana.  Langdon’s father is still the all-time leading scorer at Clarksville, and his sister scored over 2000 points at North Harrison and was runner-up for Miss Basketball.  This is a basketball FAMILY.  

Whats stemmed from this? 

[J34]

4 hours ago, AH1971 said:

We already have a serviceable (actually more than serviceable) backup 5 on the roster who can play 10-15 mpg. His name is Malik Reneau. Yes we need another big as an insurance policy (that's where someone like Hatton comes into play) in case someone like Ballo (or Reneau) gets hurt, but the reality is that Ballo and Reneau are going to commandeer the majority of the minutes at the 5 spot with the way the roster is set up.

Couldn't agree more! So many combinations  to mix and match, with either Ballo or Reneau at the 5. One thing people forget about was Malik was double/triple teamed a high percentage. The scouting report was IU has no shooters,  and MR can't/won't pass out of double team. We believe we've answered the shooting problem,  now it's up to Malik to hold up his end. If he does, he'll reap the rewards. He can score the basketball against damn near anyone down low 1v1.

[hohohoosiers311]

On 5/8/2024 at 5:09 PM, Napleshoosier said:

Do we even know if Hatton is making a trip to Btown?

Yes….. very soon.  

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

New name popping up.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/issa-muhammad-1.html

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

On 3/18/2024 at 4:27 PM, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Trying to keep updated - portal players reportedly contacted by IU.  Number in ( ) indicates years of eligibility remaining.

1. Myles Rice (PG) - Washington State (3)                                 IU visit April 12           COMMITTED
2. Oumar Ballo (C) - Arizona (1)                                                  IU visit April 14-16      COMMITTED
3. Kanaan Carlyle (G) - Stanford  (3)                                          IU visit April 19            COMMITTED
4. Luke Goode (W) - Illinois (1)                                                    IU visit April 26            COMMITTED

 

1. Deyton Albury (G) - Queen's University of Charlotte (2)
2. Keyshawn Hall (F) - George Mason (2)
3. Nikita Konstantynovskyi (F)  - Monmouth (1)
4. Langdon Hatton (C) - Bellarmine (1)
5. Issa Muhamad - UT Martin (1) 

 

OFF THE BOARD

1. Ja’Kobi Gillespie (G)- Belmont  (2) to Maryland\
2. Marcus Foster  (G) - Furman  (1) to Xavier
3. Michael Ajayi  (G) - Pepperdine  (1) to Gonzag
4. Dishon Jackson (C) - Charlotte (2) to Iowa State
5. Tre Dinkins (G) -Canisius  (1)       [Jared Kelly reports we have not been in contact with Dinkins]
6. Jordan Sears (G) - UT Martin (2) to LSU
7. Zeke Mayo (G) - South Dakota St (1) to Kansas
8. Skyy Clark (G) - Louisville (2) to UCLA   
9. Brandon Huntley-Hatfield  (F) - Louisville (1) to NC State     
10. Frankie Fidler (F) - Omaha  (1) to Michigan State   
11. Marques Warrick (G) - Northern Kentucky (1) to Missouri
12. Clark Slajchert (G) - Penn  (1) to USC 
13. Koren Johnson (G) - Washington (2) to Louisville
14. Dakota Leffew (G) - Mount St. Mary's  (1) to Georgia
15. Tony Perkins (G) - Iowa (1) to Missouri
16. Aaron Bradshaw (C) - Kentucky (3) to O$U
17. Malik Dia (F) - Belmont (2) to Ole Miss
18. Gibson Jimerson (G) - St. Louis (1) returned to St. Louis
19. Darlinstone Dubar (F) -  Hofstra (1) to Tennessee
20. Connor Hickman (G) - Bradley (1) to Cincinnati
21. Amari Williams (F) - Drexel  (1) to Kentucky                             IU visit April 19       CANCELED
22. Ryan Conwell (SG) - Indiana State  (2) to Xavier
23. Connor Essegian (G) - Wisconsin (2) to Nebraska                   IU visit April 17
24. Danny Wolf (C) - Yale (2) to Michigan
25. Koby Brea (CG) - Dayton (1)        [Not in final 5]
26. Pharrel Payne (F) - Minnesota (2) to Texas A&M                      IU visit April 12-14 
27. Leland Walker (PG) - Eastern Kentucky  (2) to FAU                   IU visit April 22
28. Ben Humrichous (F) - Evansville (1) to Illinois
29. Otega Oweh (G) - Oklahoma (2) to Kentucky
30. Jalen Blackmon (G) - Stetson (1) to Miami
31. Cade Tyson (G) - Belmont (2) to North Carolina
32. Elijah Malone (C) - Grace (1) to Colorado                                  IU visit April 18
33. Johnell Davis (W/G) - FAU (1) to Arkansas
34. Javon Small (G) - Oklahoma State (1) to West Virginia
35. Zach Anderson (W) - Florida Gulf Coast (1) to George Mason                       IU visit April 21
36. Adou Thiero (PF) - Kentucky (2) to Arkansas
37. Sean Stewart (F) - Duke to Ohio State
38. Davante "Devo" Davis (G) -  Arkansas (1) to Oklahoma State
39. Alex Hemenway (SG) - Clemson (1) to Vanderbilt
40. Jaden Schutt (SG) - Duke (2) to Virginia Tech

Bumping

[Stuhoo]

48 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

New name popping up.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/issa-muhammad-1.html

Feels like this is a Hatton backup plan. Because that is a very necessary thing to have.

[Demo]

11 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Feels like this is a Hatton backup plan. Because that is a very necessary thing to have.

 

Very backup. Played at Norcross HS in Atlanta in the same conference as Rice, Carlyle and Newton, though he was before them. 2 different Juco's followed be New Mexico St and UT-Martin. That's a lot of movement in 5 yrs.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Background on Muhammad.

https://hoosierillustrated.com/indiana-basketball-reaching-out-to-ut-martin-big-man-transfer-issa-muhammad/#google_vignette

[HoosierHoopster]

3 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Background on Muhammad.

https://hoosierillustrated.com/indiana-basketball-reaching-out-to-ut-martin-big-man-transfer-issa-muhammad/#google_vignette

Even at New Mexico St he played 24 minutes. Would think he's looking for good minutes, not the kind of limited backup role IU is looking for.

[IUFAN1976]

It seems that we are going after the wrong type big, the ones with only 1 year of eligibility left.  Those guys still want to play as many minutes as they can.   I would go after a underclass man, with at least 2 years eligibility remaining.  They can the possibility of playing time after Ballo leaves.  Thoughts?  Are any of these remaining in the transfer portal?  What about a JUCO player?

[CSP]

3 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

It seems that we are going after the wrong type big, the ones with only 1 year of eligibility left.  Those guys still want to play as many minutes as they can.   I would go after a underclass man, with at least 2 years eligibility remaining.  They can the possibility of playing time after Ballo leaves.  Thoughts?  Are any of these remaining in the transfer portal?  What about a JUCO player?

We have two schollies--- one has to be ready to play now. 

[Stuhoo]

38 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

It seems that we are going after the wrong type big, the ones with only 1 year of eligibility left.  Those guys still want to play as many minutes as they can.   I would go after a underclass man, with at least 2 years eligibility remaining.  They can the possibility of playing time after Ballo leaves.  Thoughts?  Are any of these remaining in the transfer portal?  What about a JUCO player?

It is intentional and makes sense to me. 

We are looking for a player that is ready on day one to play if needed. A developmental young big or a JUCO transfer would be completely unproven and more likely to not be ready, having never played against D1 nor P5 competition.

A player like Hatton started every game last year at a (lower conference) D1 school, and has played against Power 5 teams and in P5 arenas; much more likely to be a mature player who is game ready immediately.

As you correctly state, a D1 big with two or more years left would be optimal, but those are the players who won't come for a potentially reduced role.

[IUFAN1976]

15 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

It is intentional and makes sense to me. 

We are looking for a player that is ready on day one to play if needed. A developmental young big or a JUCO transfer would be completely unproven and more likely to not be ready, having never played against D1 nor P5 competition.

A player like Hatton started every game last year at a (lower conference) D1 school, and has played against Power 5 teams and in P5 arenas; much more likely to be a mature player who is game ready immediately.

As you correctly state, a D1 big with two or more years left would be optimal, but those are the players who won't come for a potentially reduced role.

I get that we need a proven big; however, it will be hard for them to sell the amount of playing time that’s available unless they more motivated by money, education such as IU’s school of business or they recognize they could be part of a very good team and only want to help a good team win.  I hope we land someone that meets what you stated above.  I say up the $$$ then, lol!