Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[BGVille Hoosierfan 2,909]

1 hour ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

A cryptic tweet - two guards? Rice and Kanaan? Rice and Hickman? Kanaan and Hickman? My bet is he’s insinuating Rice and Hickman with Hick visiting today. 

 

we shall see!

That is 2 of the best shooters to come through IU. That was posted for Hickman. He posted the statue of Isaiah (greatest point guard in program history) yesterday for Myles Rice. Adam knows what he’s doing!

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4 minutes ago, BGVille Hoosierfan said:

That is 2 of the best shooters to come through IU. That was posted for Hickman. He posted the statue of Isaiah (greatest point guard in program history) yesterday for Myles Rice. Adam knows what he’s doing!

I’m here for it 

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11 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Oh I understand where you’re coming from, but disagree. Just because some programs will cheat doesn’t mean you do away with rules.
Your main concern is already addressed— we have high NIL dollars that allows for us to compete at the top of the food chain in the portal. That doesn’t go away by putting a cap in place. Some will always cheat, break rules, but that’s the small minority and you don’t just do away with rules. What you do is develop a better enforcement mechanism.

Disagree strongly! Over the past 20-30 years, that small cheating ‘minority’ has solidly been the UK’s, Duke, Kansas (since forever), UNC, Arizona, Louisville..probably MSU in the B1G… and others that are continuously lauded as the true blue bloods with the top tier coaches. Strong argument to be made that having a really good cheating system in place has had more impact on winning than having an outstanding coach.
 

Open up no rule NIL and player transferability where everyone’s able to compete on a more level playing field-and surprise…all of a sudden there seems to be a great deal of parity as we’ve seen immediately in the past 2-3 years. Even some mid-major boats have been lifted. I get it’s out of control, creates mercenaries for hire chasing the top $$$, creates farm system of mid majors, compromises team/player continuity that we all historically have enjoyed. But, the second a ‘cap’ is instituted there’s going to be a meeting of Kansas boosters directly connected to Bill Self to determine how they can ‘help’ overcome any potential cap obstacles - just like they used when there was a very specific cap…$0! 
 

Someone mentioned above-likely move is to a model where players are employees and have formal contracts. Agree, and thats  fine - we just better be competitive in the process for determining how much to put on the table…and for finding ‘supplemental’ revenue streams..cause that’s where it jumps to - immediately. Or we can dwell in middle of the road…and keep pointing to the ole banners for another 40 years.

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19 minutes ago, BGVille Hoosierfan said:

That is 2 of the best shooters to come through IU. That was posted for Hickman. He posted the statue of Isaiah (greatest point guard in program history) yesterday for Myles Rice. Adam knows what he’s doing!

So if the Isiah statue was posted for Rice, is this photo suggesting two MORE shooters?

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3 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

It's expected but not guaranteed.  That's the problem.  

There are a few expectations:

1.  Players numbers improve as  they get older.  The biggest jump is from freshman to sophomore but there is a smaller jump from sophomore to junior.

2.  Someone going from a mid major conference would expect to see their numbers drop because of better competition.  The average defense rating of the MVC by KenPom would have been 13th in the Big Ten.

Basically you would expect Carlyle's numbers to increase and Conwell's to decrease.  If they do, the question is then by how much.  I am expecting that numbers in the end will be relatively close.  If that's the case, I want the guy who wants to be at Indiana more.

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15 minutes ago, Jam said:

So if the Isiah statue was posted for Rice, is this photo suggesting two MORE shooters?

I think it’s just a suggestion of two future Hoosiers and that’s it. Nothing in particular to the shooting ability. 

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36 minutes ago, BGVille Hoosierfan said:

That is 2 of the best shooters to come through IU. That was posted for Hickman. He posted the statue of Isaiah (greatest point guard in program history) yesterday for Myles Rice. Adam knows what he’s doing!

Or he could be posting a picture of two players because of two commitments.

[HoosierHoopster 6,994]

29 minutes ago, Deserthoozier said:

Disagree strongly! Over the past 20-30 years, that small cheating ‘minority’ has solidly been the UK’s, Duke, Kansas (since forever), UNC, Arizona, Louisville..probably MSU in the B1G… and others that are continuously lauded as the true blue bloods with the top tier coaches. Strong argument to be made that having a really good cheating system in place has had more impact on winning than having an outstanding coach.
 

Open up no rule NIL and player transferability where everyone’s able to compete on a more level playing field-and surprise…all of a sudden there seems to be a great deal of parity as we’ve seen immediately in the past 2-3 years. Even some mid-major boats have been lifted. I get it’s out of control, creates mercenaries for hire chasing the top $$$, creates farm system of mid majors, compromises team/player continuity that we all historically have enjoyed. But, the second a ‘cap’ is instituted there’s going to be a meeting of Kansas boosters directly connected to Bill Self to determine how they can ‘help’ overcome any potential cap obstacles - just like they used when there was a very specific cap…$0! 
 

Someone mentioned above-likely move is to a model where players are employees and have formal contracts. Agree, and thats  fine - we just better be competitive in the process for determining how much to put on the table…and for finding ‘supplemental’ revenue streams..cause that’s where it jumps to - immediately. Or we can dwell in middle of the road…and keep pointing to the ole banners for another 40 years.

Ok we can disagree. At one point above you say no rule NIL brings a level playing field - parity. It doesn’t it brings leverage to bigger programs with more money and will kill mid majors, and some majors who don’t have that NIL funding. That’s exactly why the NBA has a cap. The way around that is to exceed the cap and incur the tax penalty— but unlike what you’re talking about, which absolutely does not build parity, the cap in the NBA has multiple teams competing, just look at the playoffs right now.

There’s certainly different ways to address how to enforce the cap at the college level. The current NCAA, which may or not be a thing of the past sometime, is not it. But just assuming that the NCAA’s failures in the past reflect what would happen under a new enforcement mechanism is baseless 

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The rules are you can pay players now. Iu who sucks but sells out assembly hall almost every game should be dropping top dollar to get top talent! Salvaging what's left of the diehard fans and getting new bandwagon fans should be immediately addressed. We have to compete at the highest level and the money will be returned in a big way. However if Woodson truly can't coach could be a huge waste lol. Have to try. Let's pay these guys and let's roll

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1 hour ago, Magisterium said:

fwiw it looks like UK may have lost another 7-footer to the portal? Gonna be interesting to see how many players follow Cal to Arkansas

They did and the one they lost could be a real unicorn.  Played half a season for them last year -- Croatian kid who didn't cleared by the NCAA until second semester.  Name is Zvonimir Ivisic.  Played in 15 games, averaged 12 mpg, 5.5 ppg, 3.3 rpg.  The unicorn part is he's 7'2" and not plays the post but can shoot as well -- made 6 of 16 threes in those 15 games last year and shot 77% from the line.  Shot blocker as well.

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Doesn’t look like Ya but is it him? Or Rice’s dad maybe?

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3 hours ago, btownqb said:

Tuckers dad, verbatim, this week, said one and done is NOT their set in stone route. Just watching him, regardless of people thinking he should be a MCDAA, doesn't show "sure fire Pw5 starter on a good team from Day 1". IMO significant mins is 12-18 mins a night on a good PW5 team. 

I assume Gabe Cupps wasn't told a thing about the exact mins he'd play next year, there's zero chance in knowing that 8 months away. I doubt Leal was spoken to at all about any guaranteed mins. 

I was going to state this as well -- Tucker's dad has been very active in the path his son has taken and was helping making the decisions for Bryson to not play AAU ball but rather work on skills and play some international ball in the offseason.   Also indicated that they were necessarily looking to be one and done.  Remember that Bryson won't turn 18 until the summer so he's young for his class.  Dad probably thinks that going pro that quickly isn't wise.

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2 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

Go look at his highlight reel -- they all go in.  

Just think what Woodrow could cook up with a knock down shooter like this!!

 

 

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So much arguing as we start locking players up.  Personally I'm glad to be in conversations about WHICH talented player we are bringing in.  Two years ago we were googling Michael Durr.

[Artie86 1,930]

4 hours ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

The weather is amazing today - some of y’all should get out, enjoy and revisit the board later this evening. 

I’m right with ya dw! 

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6 hours ago, AH1971 said:

Not calling you out specifically, but it seems like the consensus of people who want Conwell to be the top priority, are the same people yelling “Rice can’t shoot”.Conwell had a dreadful freshman season (in a lower conference) over either Rice or Carlyle to the point it’s not even a comparison. Conwell made a major freshman to sophomore jump which is typically a natural progression in this sport. Just find it ironic that the people dead set on Conwell dismiss the idea that Carlyle and Rice can’t or won’t improve their 3 point shooting. That’s literally why we’re even talking about Conwell right now; improvement.

You are ignoring a huge detail. Conwell DID improve, it already happened. Carlyle MIGHT improve. Conwell's example =/= Carlyle (or Rice, etc) will do the same. It's not ironic, it is reality that not everyone follows the same development arc. Trey made a huge jump, then regressed. Rice, Carlyle (or even Conwell) COULD actually get worse. So my preferene is to bring in someone that has already demonstrated the ability to shoot over someone that maybe, hopefully possibly could. If you need shooting, recruit shooters. We need a Center too, but aren't waiting to see if Leal grows 6ins over the summer to fill the need, we're bringing in, you know, Centers. 

 

[HoosierFan1994 4,749]

It sounds like it is somewhat possible that IU lands Hickman AND Carlyle. Let's say they add Ballo. What's the starting 5 with this scenario? Is it: Rice, Hickman, Carlyle, Malik, Ballo? With Trey, Mgbako, and Tucker off the bench? I've read where Hickman isn't coming to be a role player off the bench. It's a great problem to have as long as IU can keep everyone.  I can't see Mgbako coming off the bench. He had a good freshman year. Trey I think is the perfect 6th man (said this for multiple years) and Tucker being a freshman I can see. 

My take: Carlyle is probably the better player but I think Hickman is the better fit right now. If Indiana doesn't land any shooters the ceiling of this team is probably Sweet 16 at best. Why settle for that? That being said...get them both! 

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4 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

It sounds like it is somewhat possible that IU lands Hickman AND Carlyle. Let's say they add Ballo. What's the starting 5 with this scenario? Is it: Rice, Hickman, Carlyle, Malik, Ballo? With Trey, Mgbako, and Tucker off the bench? I've read where Hickman isn't coming to be a role player off the bench. It's a great problem to have as long as IU can keep everyone.  I can't see Mgbako coming off the bench. He had a good freshman year. Trey I think is the perfect 6th man (said this for multiple years) and Tucker being a freshman I can see. 

As much as I crapped on Mbagko this past season he was better than Carlyle.  Carlyle in no way in hell is starting over him.  

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3 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

It sounds like it is somewhat possible that IU lands Hickman AND Carlyle. Let's say they add Ballo. What's the starting 5 with this scenario? Is it: Rice, Hickman, Carlyle, Malik, Ballo? With Trey, Mgbako, and Tucker off the bench? I've read where Hickman isn't coming to be a role player off the bench. It's a great problem to have as long as IU can keep everyone.  I can't see Mgbako coming off the bench. He had a good freshman year. Trey I think is the perfect 6th man (said this for multiple years) and Tucker being a freshman I can see. 

In your scenario I’d go

PG- Rice

SG - Hickman

SF - Mgbako

PF - Reneau

C - Ballo

Bench: Galloway, Carlyle, Cupps, Turner, Leal, etc. 

[Artie86 1,930]

I know money talks, but so what! If things continue to move in favor of IU with these premium players and desperate needs met, IU is looking pretty “tasty”. Lol