Transfer Portal w IU Interest

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3 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

And part of why UConn was able to run those complex sets was because they had good continuity from last year's roster. You're not going to be able to install something like that IMO with a group of 5ish new rotation players in just one offseason.

UCONN lost three to the NBA draft, some graduated. I haven't looked which I should I guess but I am lazy this morning ... I am thinking that UCONN had to fill 5-6 scholly's on their roster this year. 

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1 hour ago, Feathery said:

So if IU won more than the metrics would indicate, then one could argue that’s good coaching. lol. 
 

Very unlikely.  Just statistical variance mostly. 

 

1 hour ago, Feathery said:

Now for the not blowing out lesser teams. The debate point for me is X missed significant time and Cupps was starting and wasn’t ready for D1 basketball. He needs to physically develop. That made Galloway play a position he was also not ready for. It took time for Galloway to get where he needed to be in the PG role. That is why IU’s metrics sucked.

Someone pointed it out, but we played the same with XJ starting. Also,  everyone saw Galloway ball out versus Kansas. He a senior guard that didn't need much, if any, time to acclimate.  1 point wins to Morehead st, a double digit loss to Nebraska,  blowouts to Purdue and a home loss to by double digits all followed that.  Those count just as much in our efficiency metrics.  

It's really the double digit losses as much as the narrow wins versus bad schools that drug our ratings down.  You can jump us up 40 or 50 spots in overall efficiency (some combo of improved offense and defense) and we still suffer losses to most of the teams we lost to this year and still lose by double digits to auburn, Purdue, and uconn. 

1 hour ago, Feathery said:

I’d expect in a guard focused offense under Woody, IU will increase their 3 point attempts bc the talent will be better in that area. 

In '23 we were one of the best 3pt shoo teams in the country by percentage but shot it just about the least.  Does bringing in rice and Carlyle take us to this new "guard focused offense" or does bringing the top portal center again to pair with an already pretty dominant Reneau just signal more of the same (but with improved guard play)? 

 

I think if there's hope for optimism on a more perimeter oriented offense,  it will be with the second unit.  We played far way sparingly towards the end of the season.  And if we land R-C-B plus another good guard like Hickman, then you pretty much start to run out of minutes for all these guys unless you stagger Reneau/Ballo and play small part of the time.  I'm all for it,  but that has made sense in the past and Woody has been reluctant to go there. 

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7 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Eh. 

Karaban is a shooter. Reneau is a post scorer. 

Both are questionable defenders.

Malik averaged more rebounds, assists, points, on better FG%

Reneau showed the ability to step out and knock down 3s this year, if he expands that part of his game and gets better at passing out of the post, he would be way more "dynamic" IMO than Karaban who is more of a system passer in their offense than a playmaking, creative passer you'd call dynamic. Karaban is a good player, great in their system, but he looks better because of where he plays IMO. 

Yeah, you probably have a point regarding the system in which Karaban plays.  Maybe I need to read back farther into the thread regarding the point being discussed.  I thought it was more of a basic comparison of the two players.  I prefer Karaban and Hurley’s system.

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39 minutes ago, IH8PU said:

UCONN lost three to the NBA draft, some graduated. I haven't looked which I should I guess but I am lazy this morning ... I am thinking that UCONN had to fill 5-6 scholly's on their roster this year. 

Karaban played 28 mins last year, so did Newton. They lost their big 3 of Sanogo, Hawkins, and Jackson. 

They lost “Joey California” to graduation but retained Samson Johnson and Hassan Diarra who were key bench pieces on both teams. 

They replaced him and Alleyne (who transferred) with Cam Spencer, a graduate transfer (probably the best pick up in last year’s portal) and Castle, a 5 star freshman. 

Clingan was also a bench player on the first year’s team who took on a much larger role on this year’s team.

So they replaced the production of that big 3 guys with a rotation of 2 guys who played a ton on both teams, 1 guy who took on a bigger role for the second team, and 2 guys who played key bench roles on both. A graduate transfer and a 5 star freshman. 

They did add a lot of other guys to their roster but they didn’t really play a ton. Jaylin Stewart and Youssouf Singare will be names to remember for next year, as will Solomon Ball 

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How quickly we forgot about JHS and the praise Woodson received in how he used him.

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17 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

How quickly we forgot about JHS and the praise Woodson received in how he used him.

I did forget.  What was special about how Woodson used JHS?  

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54 minutes ago, Feathery said:

What’s a good 3pt shooter to you in today’s game, post line getting moved back? 
 

I’m well aware of what people’s complaints are about the style and 2 bigs. But let’s be honest, IU runs a ton of pick and role. We would see Malik and Ware both be at the 3 or line setting a pick and then rolling. That’s not just 2 guys standing in the lane like statues. Yes there were plenty of throw it down low and let them work too. But in the pick and role the guards we are targeting are not going to be running into our own bigs and both their defenders at the same time, as one of the bigs will be out at the 3 or line setting the pick. 

I think you want a guy around 35% to be a really good shooter.  Anything under 30 and you only want that guy taking as a last resort.

To your last paragraph, that kind of touches on my point.  Say you want to set up Reneau on the pick and roll so you pull Ballo out of the paint.  If UConn does that, his defender has to go with him.  Ballo's doesn't.  So that means an extra defender to slide over on the pick and roll and if you pass the ball out because your play is too well defended, the open guy getting the ball is about zero threat to do anything but have to give up the ball to reset the offense.  Either that or drive right back into the lane where his defender is waiting.

Guess we will find out. 

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Oumar Ballo

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IU portal tracker shows that Ballo started his visit yesterday. 

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1-year's worth of data.  Would be more meaningful if Tony (or anyone) did a few more years to determine if this data correlates well with prior years or was last year simply an aberration.  But regardless, it's an interesting analysis.

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1 minute ago, Henryville Hoosier said:

Oumar Ballo

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IU portal tracker shows that Ballo started his visit yesterday. 

I love it when posters, who live in Bloomington, find these recruits out and about and steal some pics… I hope to see some from this weekend.

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JHS now following Rice via Instagram. He was not following him yesterday morning. 

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Adam Howard, Cupps and Ware following Ballo via Instagram 

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Same before for Kanaan - Ya, Malik, Gallo, MM. 

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9 hours ago, Feathery said:

His offense also got a lot of open shots that players missed or passed up on bc they aren’t good shooters in game situations. A lot of people point to the Kenpom off efficiency being around 100 as poor offense. But a lot of it comes down to poor guard play. We beat the mid majors on the schedule by a larger margin, the. IU’s offense is around 50 with the same win loss record. 

This is where we disagree. It’s offensive scheme — players are not simply passing up open looks. In an offense that shoots from outside literally by numbers (not percentages) at the bottom of DI ball, that’s the scheme, it reflects the offensive system not the individual players.

Woodson deemphasizes outside shooting to a fault. That is what needs to change. If it does it will be because he changed the offense, not because some shots are taken that were not before because some shots were passed up.

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4 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

This is where we disagree. It’s offensive scheme — players are not simply passing up open looks. In an offense that shoots from outside literally by numbers (not percentages) at the bottom of DI ball, that’s the scheme, it reflects the offensive system not the individual players.

Woodson deemphasizes outside shooting to a fault. That is what needs to change. If it does it will be because he changed the offense, not because some shots are taken that were not before because some shots were passed up.

I saw so many players routinely pass up a makable three to step in and end up with a guarded 15 foot jumper.

That has to stop. Either launch the three, or try to get all the way to the rim. If that doesn’t happen? Reset the offense. And more movement during those actions. And no more floppys or zooms where the guard or wing gets the ball 20 feet from the basket. Want to run a floppy/down screen? Do it to open up for a three.

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22 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

1-year's worth of data.  Would be more meaningful if Tony (or anyone) did a few more years to determine if this data correlates well with prior years or was last year simply an aberration.  But regardless, it's an interesting analysis.

Problem is, the Indiana coaching staff doesn’t believe in the 3PT shot.

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2 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

This is where we disagree. It’s offensive scheme — players are not simply passing up open looks. In an offense that shoots from outside literally by numbers (not percentages) at the bottom of DI ball, that’s the scheme, it reflects the offensive system not the individual players.

Woodson deemphasizes outside shooting to a fault. That is what needs to change. If it does it will be because he changed the offense, not because some shots are taken that were not before because some shots were passed up.

If outside shooting is still de-emphasized after landing guys like Rice and Carlyle and then potentially someone like Hickman, most people will get their wish and Woodson  will be gone after the year. When guys like Leal, Cupps, and Galloway commandeer you’re backcourt for a majority of minutes, I know shooting 23-25 3P wouldn’t be my game plan.

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4 minutes ago, Trish said:

Problem is, the Indiana coaching staff doesn’t believe in the 3PT shot.

153 pages into this thing. Cmon man 

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2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

If outside shooting is still de-emphasized after landing guys like Rice and Carlyle and then potentially someone like Hickman, most people will get their wish and Woodson  will be gone after the year. When guys like Leal, Cupps, and Galloway commandeer you’re backcourt for a majority of minutes, I know shooting 23-25 3P wouldn’t be my game plan.

Frigging great post. It sucks, but the actual best route to "consistently being in a game last year" was just hammer down in the post, there was no variation possible because of the lack of talent and cohesion on the perimeter. 

Insert a couple of these cats and we can play multiple ways. 

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16 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

Beans and rice for dinner again..

You must run your wife and kids out of the house as much as you eat beans & rice.  They must call you stinky/smelly, lol