Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[str8baller 7,509]

1 minute ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Some have explained it, see Houston's team et al

That’s not explaining it in the least.  
 

Houston can get away with a lack of size primarily because they have elite defenders littering their roster and play like the proverbial “dawgs” that just maul people defensively and gang rebound like their life depends on it. As much as I dislike Sampson, that is his specialty and very few coaches succeed in replicating that. He also self selects for those types of players. Houston slowed  the  game down to a crawl this year and had plus athletes and plus defenders flying all over the place. 
 

The idea of kids like Tucker Devries replicating that is kind of funny. And the scouting report on guys like Miles, Bailey and Wilkerson don’t exactly lend themselves to being those types of players either (although I have hope that CDD will get them to succeed defensively, in his own way).  
 

So no, you can’t just declare “we’re gonna be like Houston” (which is the furthest thing in the world from run n gun, which you cite later for IU) and hand wave away issues with the roster construction.
 

I’ll put the disclaimer on here a second time as to not upset people: It’s ultimately fine if next year’s roster is less than perfect; I don’t expect CDD to turn IU into championship contenders year 1. 

[HoosierHoopster 8,325]

7 minutes ago, str8baller said:

That’s not explaining it in the least.  
 

Houston can get away with a lack of size primarily because they have elite defenders littering their roster and play like the proverbial “dawgs” that just maul people defensively and gang rebound like their life depends on it. As much as I dislike Sampson, that is his specialty and very few coaches succeed in replicating that. He also self selects for those types of players. Houston slowed  the  game down to a crawl this year and had plus athletes and plus defenders flying all over the place. 
 

The idea of kids like Tucker Devries replicating that is kind of funny. And the scouting report on guys like Miles, Bailey and Wilkerson don’t exactly lend themselves to being those types of players either (although I have hope that CDD will get them to succeed defensively, in his own way).  
 

So no, you can’t just declare “we’re gonna be like Houston” (which is the furthest thing in the world from run n gun, which you cite later for IU) and hand wave away issues with the roster construction.
 

I’ll put the disclaimer on here a second time as to not upset people: It’s ultimately fine if next year’s roster is less than perfect; I don’t expect CDD to turn IU into championship contenders year 1. 

So, I never "declared" we're gonna be like Houston and quoting that one line above ignores everything else in the post. Houston is one example, of many, teams that play a get out and go transition game with multiple forwards and guards -- and yes, it's guards that win in March. I also said we're not done, and a shot-blocking type forward seems likely (imo). We're not going to be a slow-the-pace team, obviously, we're going to be a running and shooting team. We'll see what additional forwards DeVries adds, and go from there.

[Hoosierfanyuh 6,877]

17 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I doubt we would pay this for anyone

Florida 

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1 hour ago, Hoosierfanyuh said:

https://x.com/goodmanhoops/status/1916875233044136051?s=46
 

One thing that's going to take some adjusting, for us armchair coaches, is translating Euroleague players to college contexts. There are so many leagues, at so many levels. I hope one day we're at a point where analytics makes it easy to compare and project, the way baseball stats can across minor league levels, but we aren't there yet. 

Anyway, the big guy who just signed with UVA averaged roughly 8 points, 5 boards, 2 blocks while playing in the Basketball Budeslinga league. 

Interestingly, his teammate in the front court was Jayden Gardner, who recently graduated from . . . UVA. During his last two years at UVA, Gardner averaged roughly 14 and 6. In his first year in Europe, he again averaged 14 and 6. 

I have a lot to learn on this front, but here's one thought experiment (with a million caveats about fit / age / etc.) that says Basketball Budeslinga stats are roughly the same as power five stats. 

Has anyone tried doing this kind of translation on the Greek kid we're chasing? 

 

[jonz44 856]

Yes exactly.  It's not about back to the basket 5, it's really just a defense issue as to who is going to guard the Purdues/Michigans that have multiple big men that will dominate us inside the paint if we don't have anyone that can guard them.  I look forward to the new type of play we will be seeing.  I am just hoping we get another big or two that can protect the rim but doesn't need the ball in their hands a ton.

While it might be an issue guarding those teams in the post I'm hoping we take the approach of making their bigs guard on the perimeter, the drive, and in transition. I'm looking forward to the tradeoff.

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[Artie86 3,500]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfanyuh said:

Saw Federiko is asking for 2M and a lot of people do not think he is worth that, Baba Miller slow playing a lot and is in no rush 

......yeah, remember the good 'ol days when a player was honored just to get a "full ride" scholarship and REALLY come to play for the the coach and university!

I know NIL is here to stay and this is how NCAA has progressed, but there HAS to be some sort of regulations, caps or something because it's only going to get worse.

 

[iu2win 192]

You are so right Artie.  It is so unresponsible to give 18-21 year olds access to millions of dollars.  There is rightfully a lot of focus on small schools not being able to compete with the big boys but little focus on what this can/will do to the youngsters.  What about those that get a million NIL and then do not make the pros; easy for us older folk to believe how we could be set for a long time on a million dollars but I'm guessing someone 18-21 would go through it like water through a sieve.

[68Hoosier 1,274]

1 hour ago, Scotty R said:

I doubt we would pay this for anyone

Yikes, that is a big payday if he gets it.

[BA47591 1,045]

We're the UK fans correct with the money they claimed we paid Wilkerson?  We paid in the neighborhood of 1.5 for a coat rack? Did Tucker get 2m? We'll never know but damn are we over 10m already for a really good mvc team? 

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 11,920]

3 minutes ago, BA47591 said:

We're the UK fans correct with the money they claimed we paid Wilkerson?  We paid in the neighborhood of 1.5 for a coat rack? Did Tucker get 2m? We'll never know but damn are we over 10m already for a really good mvc team? 

myth, myth, myth.... myth? 

were there 3 or 4 in there? 

[moyemayhem 1,770]

1 hour ago, Ctf9 said:

One thing that's going to take some adjusting, for us armchair coaches, is translating Euroleague players to college contexts. There are so many leagues, at so many levels. I hope one day we're at a point where analytics makes it easy to compare and project, the way baseball stats can across minor league levels, but we aren't there yet. 

Anyway, the big guy who just signed with UVA averaged roughly 8 points, 5 boards, 2 blocks while playing in the Basketball Budeslinga league. 

Interestingly, his teammate in the front court was Jayden Gardner, who recently graduated from . . . UVA. During his last two years at UVA, Gardner averaged roughly 14 and 6. In his first year in Europe, he again averaged 14 and 6. 

I have a lot to learn on this front, but here's one thought experiment (with a million caveats about fit / age / etc.) that says Basketball Budeslinga stats are roughly the same as power five stats. 

Has anyone tried doing this kind of translation on the Greek kid we're chasing? 

 

These comparisons can be tricky, but the Greek League has historically been far superior than the German League.

The Greek league is very top heavy, with 2 dominant teams (Panathinaikos and Olympiacos) that are loaded with former/future NBA players and among the best in all of Europe.  The rest of the teams in that league are considered a tier below.  Panathinaikos are the defending EuroLeague champions (the basketball version of the Champion's League).  Since 2000, the Greeks have won seven EuroLeague Finals, more than any other country in Europe over that period.

For comparison, the German League has never produced a Euroleague champion (or runner-up).  It is considered to have more overall league parity for what it's worth.

Neoklis Avdalas, the Greek player who has garnered interest, is under contract with Panathinaikos but currently loaned out to a mid-tier Greek competitor.  Being associated with Panathinaikos would imply he's probably a good prospect.

EuroLeague - Wikipedia

 

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7 minutes ago, moyemayhem said:

These comparisons can be tricky, but the Greek League has historically been far superior than the German League.

Thanks for all this! Really helpful. Your answer is also exactly why it’s so hard to make these comparisons, lol. I imagine we’ll all have to learn more about this as the Euro pipeline heats up. 

[OGIUAndy 1,092]

49 minutes ago, iu2win said:

You are so right Artie.  It is so unresponsible to give 18-21 year olds access to millions of dollars.  There is rightfully a lot of focus on small schools not being able to compete with the big boys but little focus on what this can/will do to the youngsters.  What about those that get a million NIL and then do not make the pros; easy for us older folk to believe how we could be set for a long time on a million dollars but I'm guessing someone 18-21 would go through it like water through a sieve.

We shouldn't give money to younger people because they might be irresponsible? Sure some kids might blow that money just like some pro athletes blow all their money, but that's not any sort of legit reason not to pay them if someone is willing to. 

[Stuhoo 89,575]

1 hour ago, iu2win said:

You are so right Artie.  It is so unresponsible to give 18-21 year olds access to millions of dollars.  There is rightfully a lot of focus on small schools not being able to compete with the big boys but little focus on what this can/will do to the youngsters.  What about those that get a million NIL and then do not make the pros; easy for us older folk to believe how we could be set for a long time on a million dollars but I'm guessing someone 18-21 would go through it like water through a sieve.

Which other categories of 18-21 year olds should we restrict from being paid a lot?

• If an opera singer in the IU Jacobs School gets a very well-paid internship, should we restrict that or kick them out of school?
• If a comp sci genius at IU infomatics  gets a big consulting payment, should we not allow it?
• Kelley School has a kid who founded a super-successful business idea while at Kelley, using his Kelley-developed skills, and a big corporation offers him a few million for it... shouldn't be allowed?

Free market, baybeeee

[mike vannice 426]

Upon further reflection I think we should take Josh Harris before he visits Miami and they play the stay at home card.

Then just sit on the other scholarship and be patient. Might be more de-commits, maybe Baba stops slow playing and realizes the opportunity to be a Hoosier is too good to pass up, maybe Federico drops his asking price. maybe there are other European mystery bigs in play, maybe someone withdraws from the draft that we like(Neoklis Avdalis). Maybe Luke was just playin and he doesn't get his waver and we have 2 scholarships. We got this.

[AZ Hoosier 10,911]

1 hour ago, Artie86 said:

......yeah, remember the good 'ol days when a player was honored just to get a "full ride" scholarship and REALLY come to play for the the coach and university!

I know NIL is here to stay and this is how NCAA has progressed, but there HAS to be some sort of regulations, caps or something because it's only going to get worse.

 

As much as I want to agree, setting caps, limits and rules will only force the excess back under the tables and into the shadows. And, yes, it will only get worse as we move forwards, regardless of what tact "we" take.

[Hoosierfanyuh 6,877]

3 minutes ago, mike vannice said:

Upon further reflection I think we should take Josh Harris before he visits Miami and they play the stay at home card.

Then just sit on the other scholarship and be patient. Might be more de-commits, maybe Baba stops slow playing and realizes the opportunity to be a Hoosier is too good to pass up, maybe Federico drops his asking price. maybe there are other European mystery bigs in play, maybe someone withdraws from the draft that we like(Neoklis Avdalis). Maybe Luke was just playin and he doesn't get his waver and we have 2 scholarships. We got this.

I think since he’s visiting he’s a Hoosier, just a feeling. You don’t bring someone in you don’t plan on pursuing 

[BA47591 1,045]

21 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

myth, myth, myth.... myth? 

were there 3 or 4 in there? 

We'll never know exactly what these players make. I asked last year, from someone that would know. Prior to Goode and James what the bill was. I  doubt  they'll tell me this year.  On3 turned out to be really close. 

We had 1 millionaire on last year's team and he got death threats. Imagine what Claude would go through if he got a third of what's being batted about? 

[RaceToTheTop 31,147]

Harris is mostly a college 4 who brings a different 4 look than Alexis.  Alexis is more of a banger who could be a 5 against smaller 5's.  Harris is more of a leaper.  

[RaceToTheTop 31,147]

3 minutes ago, BA47591 said:

We'll never know exactly what these players make. I asked last year, from someone that would know. Prior to Goode and James what the bill was. I  doubt  they'll tell me this year.  On3 turned out to be really close. 

We had 1 millionaire on last year's team and he got death threats. Imagine what Claude would go through if he got a third of what's being batted about? 

I don't know, Dakich swears Reneau got 1.8 million.  (LOL)