Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[str8baller 7,499]

15 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

 

Everyone knew we’d get commitments. The debate about the quality of the roster still persists. We are 30-40 ranked roster. Will we overachieve? Let’s hope. But it’s not a statement to the college basketball world that we mean business. It’s blue collar approach to roster building. It’s optimistic but it’s still just optimism for a new style and coach.

Michigan and Louisville were a success in this way last year. Maybe Indiana will be next. Maybe not.


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That’s fair and ultimately on CDD. But the people who didn’t believe IU was shelling out cash (strangely after we literally proved it last year with Woody) were simply being myopic to a fault. 
 

Will these guys work out? Who knows…but at this point it seems coach has the resources he needs to go out and get the guys he wants. We’re approaching 8 or 9 guys who were sought after with a big and maybe Goode to be added yet, at a minimum. IU is apparently stacking cash for these guys. Hopefully CDD can coach them up. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,416]

Are we using preseason computer rankings to determine whether a teams roster is good or not? 
 
You’re collecting for the most part 13 players who’ve never played together under a coach they’ve never played for, sorry but the computer rankings are somewhat useless to what DeVries is going for. 

It’s one metric that we can actually use. It’s not useless. It was pretty strong last season actually in most cases.


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2 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

It’s one metric that we can actually use. It’s not useless. It was pretty strong last season actually in most cases.


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Two years ago it projected Peyton Sparks to play more than 20 mph and Malik Reneau to play 18 mpg

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3 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Two years ago it projected Peyton Sparks to play more than 20 mph and Malik Reneau to play 18 mpg

And instead, Peyton Sparks played at 5 miles per hour.

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4 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Fair enough. His vision is clear at least. Gambling on his scout on mid majors. I like the approach so far. Just in no way a bragging rights type of roster. We will see a fair amount of 5 out basketball and that’ll be fun if we can defend. I’m all in for it. Why not. He’s doing his thing and not trying to appease the fans. I think that’s important too. Just hope it works.

 

 

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For sure. If the team wins, he will look like a genius of course.

But all coaches have scouting misses, it happens to the best of 'em. Hurley / Mahaney, Pitino not taking Clayton with him to SJU from Iona (assuming Clayton was willing?) Hubert Davis whiffed big time on Cade Tyson. Woody arguably whiffed on half the roster last year ... it's not an infrequent thing in the transfer portal era especially. 

Odds are not all of these guys will be as productive as they were in mid-majors, but I think DDV has a clear vision like you said and was part of turning around / building Creighton, and can get these guys to play as a team better than their individual talent. But they're going to have to show us that. In the meanwhile, we speculate and hope for a foreign trip to be arranged.

Can't wait for the DDV era to really get started. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,416]

Two years ago it projected Peyton Sparks to play more than 20 mph and Malik Reneau to play 18 mpg

I get sunshine pumping. But if University X put this roster together and we as Indiana fans looked at it from the outside we wouldn’t bat an eye. Doesn’t mean much, but it means something in its own right.

We clearly will need to outperform expectations for most of us to be happy.


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[WayneFleekHoosier 51,416]

Oof…


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[dwtaylor1055 1,953]

3 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Oof…


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We can’t always please everyone now can we?

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14 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

There absolutely is a fair question about quality of the roster - and will be until we see them on the court. 

At the same time, the roster rankings just mean nothing to me after last year's "#1 haul" in the portal ... 

IMO next year's team could easily show they're far more talented than this past year's. 

And while the computers may rank us at 30-40, the roster people were hyped about last year doesn't look so good now. 

247 lists last year's class and this year's class (so far) both having 8 incoming recruits. 

• Outgoing players rankings: 4 four stars, 3 three stars, one no star (Dallas James lol)
• Incoming player rankings: 7 four stars, one no star (Deuce with multiple years of eligibility) 

I am thrilled with the blue collar approach to roster building.

Couldn't care less about making statements to the CBB world right now. 

We have to earn it / prove it on the court. Then we can make statements. 

All sizzle no steak is more the of a pUKe thing, IMO 

The 3 outgoing 3-star players looks even worse when you consider that there are 280 (!) 4-star players according to 247.

It also reinforces how bad of a coach Mike Woodson is since 2 of those were 4-star HS recruits and the other was a 4-star transfer the year before. The individual rankings aren't always accurate and should be taken with a grain of salt but that's 3 players on one team. Newton had the injuries but those were from HS and I'm thinking the staff didn't look at it closely enough as part of the evaluation process which is on them.

I look forward to a team that plays greater than the sum of its parts rather than less.

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5 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I get sunshine pumping. But if University X put this roster together and we as Indiana fans looked at it from the outside we wouldn’t bat an eye. Doesn’t mean much, but it means something in its own right.

We clearly will need to outperform expectations for most of us to be happy.


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It’s only overachieving if you believe the preseason rankings. If you don’t think they are accurate as they don’t have Michigan as good as they were or Louisville, then it’s not overachieving. I see a top 25 type roster. It will come down to coaching. 
 

Really like the Dorn pickup as well. The Florida kid will provide some decent depth. 
 

 

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55 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I get sunshine pumping. But if University X put this roster together and we as Indiana fans looked at it from the outside we wouldn’t bat an eye. Doesn’t mean much, but it means something in its own right.

We clearly will need to outperform expectations for most of us to be happy.


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No.

We will need to perform to the expectations that Devries has a plan, and with players that he believes can and will execute that plan we will be a tourney team.

I am so done with judging a roster based on star rankings and national media expectations.

I want a proper college basketball lifer that knows what the **** he’s doing a puts a system and culture in place.

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Just now, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Nope. That was at Chattanooga. Only year at Florida, played 12 minutes per game.


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I made an edit 

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Need a refresher on how to mute a poster please

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,416]

No.
We will need to perform to the expectations that Devries has a plan, and with players that he believes can and will execute that plan we will be a tourney team.
So done with judging a roster based on star rankings and national media expectations.
I want a proper college basketball lifer that knows what the **** he’s doing a puts a system and culture in place.

I get that. And I’m happy to not have to watch Woody attempt to figure out offense and defense ever again. And get outcoached in 95% of the games.

We will run a fair amount of 5 out stuff. He’s says they will play hard.

I feel like our ceiling is capped but maybe not. Great players hidden all over college basketball. Maybe they will finally flourish at Indiana instead of someplace else.


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13 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Oof…


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[IU Prof 2,364]

Where did Torvik have IU last year, preseason? I feel like it was Top 15.

Computer rankings aren't the be all, end all.

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,416]

Gonna be Leo Curtis and Federico and then they call it a day? Like that Greek kid quite a bit. Was hoping the Sorber talk had juice.


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1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Gonna be Leo Curtis and Federico and then they call it a day? Like that Greek kid quite a bit. Was hoping the Sorber talk had juice.


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Or Curtis and miller….

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Gabe Cupps and Jakai Newton were both 3* transfers on 247. How do they have Sam Alexis as a NR/0* transfer? He was more productive than either of them on a better team. lmao

https://247sports.com/player/sam-alexis-46133294/

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2 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Gonna be Leo Curtis and Federico and then they call it a day? Like that Greek kid quite a bit. Was hoping the Sorber talk had juice.


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Curtis or Federico and then I think the last couple spots might go to some true freshmen. Help with some class balancing.