Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[AZ Hoosier]

5 hours ago, IUCrazy2 said:

My bad.  I kind of shut it down a little at the end of the year, for some reason I thought they got to 20.  Main point still stands though.  He will dig himself a little bit of a hole if we miss the tournament yet again next year and anything and everything that happens or doesn't happen right now will be what gets dissected and gone through with a microscope to figure out why.  Now he could miss and then completely hit the gas and never look back and be fine, but there will be grumbling if we miss next year.  We all know that.  There is no patience for new hires anymore when you can buy a team and that is even more pronounced with this fanbase when so many local teams and rivals just did that and had quite a bit of success.

With reportedly $10 million to spend, he can get whomever he wants and thinks is best for his program but they almost have to make the tournament.  He does himself and his program a disservice if they miss.

I get it... and as I said, I was picking at nits... bottom line is that Woodson was a special kind of horrible in so many ways... losing his assemblage of mercenaries who were primarily chasing bags of gold is ultimately not a bad thing.

I am willing to give DeVries a year to settle in and get his bearings, but I really think that he can/will put a competitive team together for year one. And while there is little patience for new hires given our history of really bad hires, as a fan base, we need to show a bit of grace.. Hopefully we will all be surprised in a positive way.

[RaceToTheTop]

6 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Nahh. I don't see it like that at all to your first sentence. I have no interest in debating of hypothetically something happens. But no, our most recent teams' individuals aren't a drop in the bucket moving forward. 

They were 10-11 vs B1G teams 

And absolutely slammed by UL and Gonzaga, two teams that couldn't even make a Sw16. 

IU was 12-13 versus power 5 (beat South Carolina and providence), 12-14 if you throw in Gonzaga (not a power 5 but definitely a good team).

[IUCrazy2]

3 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

I couldn't imagine caring about IU Twitter lol 

But, we should absolutely be livid if we don't make the tourney. It just doesn't have anything to do with the crew we just dumped. 

You care about IU social media if you are the coach because that drives perception of your program.  If after one year you already have people saying, "We got the wrong hire who then brought in the wrong guys..." that is the beginning of a bad narrative.  In one year.  We don't want that.  Devries doesn't want that.  The school doesn't want that.

As you said, we should be livid if we miss the tournament.  If that were to happen and guys like Tucker, Rice, and Reneau go to other schools and put up numbers, they will become part of that conversation. 

"We won 18 games but really had a weakness scoring in the paint.  Looks like Reneau put up 16 and 8, imagine if we had him instead of this or that guy we pulled out of the portal."

"We won 18 games but really had an athleticism problem at the guard position.  We couldn't defend quicker players and we couldn't get out in transition.  Would Rice have been worth 2 or 3 more wins?  He could have brought what we were missing."

When things go wrong, everything matters.  If Conwell goes to Texas and Bidunga goes to Auburn and both perform well and we end up with two mid major guys instead who just do okay but look outmatched against P5 teams, people will be upset.  The NIL money is a blessing and a curse.

[Pagoda]

It seems like CDD has a reasonable amount of leeway with this portal/initial roster build.  In the end, next season is what matters and how many wins he can stack up.

It is true though, he can't miss on every or close to every "big time" recruit.  A big part of this job is recruiting (duh), and he's got to show some recruiting chops this month, or else I would have to say it's a concern.  What I don't want is a roster where it's hard to see how they can be any good and no one is excited.  CDD would have a chance to prove everyone wrong, but I'd rather not go into a season where the coach has to prove his roster is actually good.

Now, I don't think this will happen.  And I'm ready to give CDD the benefit of the doubt as much as possible.  But... and I'm stating the obvious... these next few weeks are really important.  Hopefully we can land a few guys this week and get some momentum going.

 

[Scotty R]

10 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

We are gonna have to land some dudes by the end of this.  If the portal ends up like the coach search we are all going to need summer to recover from our disappointments.  Conwell would hurt. Wonder what our 3rd and 4th options look like?

I wasn't disappointed in the coaching search. The only people disappointed was the people that actually bought in the big whale non sense.

[IUCrazy2]

13 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

I get it... and as I said, I was picking at nits... bottom line is that Woodson was a special kind of horrible in so many ways... loosing is assemblage of mercenaries who were primarily chasing bags of gold is not necessarily a bad thing.

I am willing to give DeVries a year to settle in and get his bearings, but I really think that he can/will put a competitive team together for year one. And while there is little patience for new hires given our history of really bad hires, as a fan base, we need to show a bit of patience... Hopefully we will all be surprised in a positive way.

Mostly agree but I still think that tournament should be the baseline with our resources.  Even Mike Woodson was able to limp into the tournament his first year.

[hoosierbannerd]

3 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I wasn't disappointed in the coaching search. The only people disappointed was the people that actually bought in the big whale non sense.

Youse saying I'm nonsense?

(Seriously, I was initially disappointed but DeVries results shows he knows what he's doing so I'm optimistic.)

[IUCrazy2]

Just now, Scotty R said:

I wasn't disappointed in the coaching search. The only people disappointed was the people that actually bought in the big whale non sense.

Yeah and I want to get out there and say I am cautiously optimistic.  I think he has the X's and O's chops.  The thing that I need to see is recruiting.  I will be up front and say that I don't want to just be a well coached team of B and C tier guys who overperforms every year but really isn't a threat to go on many tournament runs. I want to be a well coached team of dudes who is competing for titles, both Big Ten and beyond.  

[Hoosierfanyuh]

Blah blah blah bring on the conwell flory rumors, personally think both are gettable but almost feels too good to be true lmao 

[CSP]

15 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

You care about IU social media if you are the coach because that drives perception of your program.  If after one year you already have people saying, "We got the wrong hire who then brought in the wrong guys..." that is the beginning of a bad narrative.  In one year.  We don't want that.  Devries doesn't want that.  The school doesn't want that.

As you said, we should be livid if we miss the tournament.  If that were to happen and guys like Tucker, Rice, and Reneau go to other schools and put up numbers, they will become part of that conversation. 

"We won 18 games but really had a weakness scoring in the paint.  Looks like Reneau put up 16 and 8, imagine if we had him instead of this or that guy we pulled out of the portal."

"We won 18 games but really had an athleticism problem at the guard position.  We couldn't defend quicker players and we couldn't get out in transition.  Would Rice have been worth 2 or 3 more wins?  He could have brought what we were missing."

When things go wrong, everything matters.  If Conwell goes to Texas and Bidunga goes to Auburn and both perform well and we end up with two mid major guys instead who just do okay but look outmatched against P5 teams, people will be upset.  The NIL money is a blessing and a curse.

 Just an odd convo to have at all. I'm out 

His roster at WVU is nothing like youre mentioning. I don't enjoy hypothetical land. 

[EasyEJay]

12 hours ago, Hoosierfan1901 said:

Travis Branham says Texas is the leader for Conwell

The Branham saying that is a big nothing burger IU stands as good if a chance as anyone in signing him . 

- money 

- playing time 

- close to home 

Trilly derangement syndrome is a real thing man everything has to be some deep grand conspiracy add that with the fact the lack of official announcements from IU on anything since CDD was hired and the paranoia sets in again like clockwork. IU will announce assistants and start signing player on the next 2 weeks 
 

And of course he would also consider Texas . It’s lazy narrative from a national media guy trying to generate clicks . 

[J34]

47 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

  what appears to be a lackluster offseason

To who?

You do realize the "offseason" has literally just started. So far we've landed the most important portal player for our coach and his system. Why don't we let a full offseason and in season play out, before we start with a new coaching search. This time next year, we can judge how lackluster things were.

[Uspshoosier]

7 minutes ago, EasyEJay said:

The Branham saying that is a big nothing burger IU stands as good if a chance as anyone in signing him . 

He also said players following a coach doesn’t always happen and that others will be in the fight.   If I was a national writer I would have wrote the same thing starting out in a recruitment.   His coach just left for another high major job so it would only make sense to put them as leaders to land him to start out.   Does Conwell follow his coach so he has the same coach in multiple years for the first time in his college career? Maybe it that’s important to him or does he play for his 4th new team in 4 years?   Does he finally stay close to home with the same money on the line?    As an ISU alum I would love for him to stay home and play in Bloomington.  Going to be a dog fight to land them but I like IUs chances 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Tony Adragna has added Tyrone Riley IV to his list of players that have had IU reach out.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tyrone-riley-iv-1.html

[IUCrazy2]

36 minutes ago, J34 said:

To who?

You do realize the "offseason" has literally just started. So far we've landed the most important portal player for our coach and his system. Why don't we let a full offseason and in season play out, before we start with a new coaching search. This time next year, we can judge how lackluster things were.

I wish you would have pulled that full quote because I am too lazy to try and go find where you snipped that from.  So if it wasn't clear already, that should have been discussing a hypothetical.  We don't know what things look like yet.

To make this more succinct, Woodson always "won" the offseason and usually underperformed in the actual season.  I don't think that Devries can have a perceived lackluster off season (when the dust settles) and follow that up with an actual season that ends with another tournament miss.  If people go in thinking the roster is shaky and he gets them in the tournament, good vibes.  If he goes in with a roster the fanbase perceives as shaky and it performs to that level of expectations, then he has problems.

Nothing I posted was supposed to indicate that we have any clear indication of how the roster is currently.  We only have 2 players at the moment.  You can't draw a final conclusion from that.

[CSP]

24 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Tony Adragna has added Tyrone Riley IV to his list of players that have had IU reach out.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tyrone-riley-iv-1.html

Very much fits what DDV wanted at WVU. Okani type right here. He matches well with Devries at the 3/4 

[Bowhunter]

So what happens if the really good portal transfers don’t want to come here due to us not having any roster stability?  Does all that NIL money go to a bunch of mid major type players or do we just not use it ?

[Pagoda]

3 minutes ago, Bowhunter said:

So what happens if the really good portal transfers don’t want to come here due to us not having any roster stability?  Does all that NIL money go to a bunch of mid major type players or do we just not use it ?

Cignetti looking at that unused NIL.

 

Jk, I don’t know what happens with unused NIL, probably carries over to next year?

[IUCrazy2]

56 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

 Just an odd convo to have at all. I'm out 

His roster at WVU is nothing like youre mentioning. I don't enjoy hypothetical land. 

We will let it play out.  He has a bunch of money to play with, I would think he can put together a roster to at least make the tournament.  Based off what I have seen he is a better college coach than Woodson and even he could buy his way to 19 wins.  I am expecting around 22 wins and an NCAA invite and I think Devries should be able to do that.

[go iu bb]

UL 247 right now is saying that IU is all in on Conwell and expects it'll be between IU and UL for him. Sounds like they don't think he'll follow Miller to Texas. They don't come out and say it but the wording and tone make it sound like he think's IU has the edge.