POTFB 2/10 8 pm on Fox

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Just got into online sports betting today! Lol I know I am behind the times. If it was yesterday I could have put my entire savings on this game and felt pretty good about it. I will probably never bet on or against the Hoosiers though. I can't stand to bet against them and will never ever trust them to win a game!

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4 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

He 100% will. Going to be a lot of old takes exposed in the spring. 

What’s he going to do?

[JSHoosier 20,316]

5 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

You gotta be on the Mike Woodson payroll at this point to still be taking this stance after a second 20 point drubbing by Purdue … I don’t care to wait around to see if our 66 year old coach suddenly changes his approach. I’ll be his age and he’ll still be talking about getting over the hump 

At this point I'm starting to wonder if they're related to Woodson.

[Trish 11,623]

12 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

It is much easier to learn and make a change of approach than it is to start over. Much smarter too. 

many of you sound like the kids who transfer and then you complain they are quitters, are entitled, what happened to players staying 4 years and growing, why won’t they put in the work to get better, etc? 

Woodson doesn’t develop players clearly, we’ve found that out. The only development I’ve seen is from Cliff Marshall’s work. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,509]

He 100% will. Going to be a lot of old takes exposed in the spring. 

I’m sure he will too. He has to, but Indiana isn’t a place to be his age and learning how to compete with the other sharks who do it better than you do.

It weird but I don’t trust his eye for talent within a winning college basketball system.

He’s gonna try to go recruit a bunch of shooters but he doesn’t really know what he wants. He just knows he doesn’t want what he’s got.


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You have zero reason based on facts to believe that is the case. His eye for talent has been just fine. 

Really?

Facts are the results. He built this roster based on his eye for talent. No one sees these guys the amount he does. These were the guys he put together. Sparks? Walker? Thinking Gallo, X, Cupps, Gunn was a winning backcourt.

The facts are the results.


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[Hoosierfan2017 21,591]

3 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Nope, I believe fully that making some changes to the staff, some changes in how to approach the portal etc is all much easier and healthier for the program than another change. You can expect more while simultaneously not believing a change is the right way to go. 
 

As bad as we are, Michigan, Ohio State, Maryland, hell, even UK with all that talent are all worse or same boat. Still will finish above .500 in conference with a very young roster, bad injuries etc. **** happens. You learn. You adapt. You don’t quit.

Everyone that wants to change now better never complain about a kid transferring instead of sticking it out.

We’re not a “very young” team. That’s just an excuse being peddled by Mike Woodson. Xavier is a 6th year senior. Trey is a senior. Reneau and Ware are sophomores and, easily, our best players. They were top 40 in their classes. One freshman in our starting lineup, and he was the #10 player in his class. 

He brought in a junior Payton Sparks and a 5th year senior Anthony Walker to be rotational players. They’re not any good, but that goes to Woodson’s failures in the transfer portal. 

[Trish 11,623]

7 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

That take is the one that shows me when an IU fan isn’t serious. Not worth listing all that have. 

Stick with your, I want him fired and leave it at that. 

I’m looking at the Synergy stats and shot charts right now, it’s not development from what the numbers are displaying.  

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1 minute ago, Ngw7183 said:

Called using logic. As opposed to the 6 of you who post 50 times a day assuming they know more than a guy who played and coaches at the highest level. 
 

It is always funny to me when fans who never played at a high level, never coached at a high level, etc  assume their years of watching TV makes them an expert. 

I just jumped in on this last page but wow, how can anyone not see Woodson is not an acceptable coach for an IU level program?

Recognizing he will never be better than average isn't saying one knows more than him, just that he doesn't know enough or care enough to put in the work to be an elite coach, you know what we all want at IU.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,591]

7 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Called using logic. As opposed to the 6 of you who post 50 times a day assuming they know more than a guy who played and coaches at the highest level. 
 

It is always funny to me when fans who never played at a high level, never coached at a high level, etc  assume their years of watching TV makes them an expert. 

You act like we’re blind and deaf. The results speak for themselves. 

Coaching and playing are two completely different skill sets. Great players often make horrible coaches. And you’re right. Mike Woodson coached at the highest level. He stunk at it. Won 46% of his games in the nba. He was fired in 2014 and didn’t sniff another head coaching job until IU came around. He was out of coaching entirely in 2018/2019 and 2019/2020. You’re flailing in an argument when you resort to the “you think you know more than our coach?!” take. 

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5 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

You act like we’re blind and deaf. The results speak for themselves. 

Coaching and playing are two completely different skill sets. Great players often make horrible coaches. And you’re right. Mike Woodson coached at the highest level. He stunk at it. Won 46% of his games in the nba. He was fired in 2014 and didn’t sniff another head coaching job until IU came around. He was out of coaching entirely in 2018/2019 and 2019/2020. You’re flailing in an argument when you resort to the “you think you know more than our coach?!” take. 

He thinks Woodson will 100% change this spring. LOL. Dolson wanted him to change when he first hired him by bringing in Matta and Fife, how did that go again? 

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5 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Called using logic. As opposed to the 6 of you who post 50 times a day assuming they know more than a guy who played and coaches at the highest level. 
 

It is always funny to me when fans who never played at a high level, never coached at a high level, etc  assume their years of watching TV makes them an expert. 

Who has said he didn't? He bounced around the NBA as a player for 10 years, longest time with any of 6 teams was 4 years. Then spent most of his coaching career as an assistant; 9 as a HC and won a whopping 46% of his games. After the Knicks fired him after 2014 (and a lower win% all 3 years) no one gave came him another HC shot until IU and he was out of coaching completely for a couple years. He wasn't anything special.

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3 minutes ago, Trish said:

He thinks Woodson will 100% change this spring. LOL. Dolson wanted him to change when he first hired him by bringing in Matta and Fife, how did that go again? 

Honestly, needing a soon to be 66 year old to change as much as Woodson needs to is a reason to move on.

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8 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

We’re not a “very young” team. That’s just an excuse being peddled by Mike Woodson. Xavier is a 6th year senior. Trey is a senior. Reneau and Ware are sophomores and, easily, our best players. They were top 40 in their classes. One freshman in our starting lineup, and he was the #10 player in his class. 

He brought in a junior Payton Sparks and a 5th year senior Anthony Walker to be rotational players. They’re not any good, but that goes to Woodson’s failures in the transfer portal. 

I think our best players are young but you are correct, as a team we really aren’t that young.  Honestly, this team should be better than they are because we are experienced at the most important positions, guards; however, our guard play sucks!  
 

Woodson will be here next year, let’s hope he’s learned his lesson from not going aggressively at players in the portable, especially guards.  Change his approach on recruiting in general and go after fundamentally skilled players instead of just by their rankings.  And figure out what system you are playing and recruit to that.

Make changes within your staff!  Not only should they be good recruiters, but they should be knowledgeable in the X’s and O’s to offset Woodson’s deficiencies

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24 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

You have zero reason based on facts to believe that is the case. His eye for talent has been just fine. 

Cupps, Banks, Walker, Sparks , Gunn (you’ll argue he was an Archie guy, but Woodson chose to keep his commitment). That’s 5 of our 12 scholarship guys. None of them have been any good. He brought in MM who has been a big disappointment for a top ten 5 star player. There’s half your roster.

He’s been able to land several 5 star recruits that top programs also wanted. That doesn’t make his “eye for talent” just fine. Kudos to him for landing those players, but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to identify those guys as good players. We’ve seen his “eye for talent” in how he’s built the complimentary pieces. 

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1 hour ago, Ngw7183 said:

He might actually be the best online analyst guy there is. He is almost always spot on about every team. Knows players inside and out, better than their own fanbases. 

Just because you don’t like Woody, staff etc doesn’t make him wrong.

I don't like Woody as a coach or his staff because they are God awful as basketball coaches. The assistants just can't coach at all anyways, in any form. Woody is a lost old dog, that's too old to even smell his way home.Dude doesn't even seem to know what's happening during the game.

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24 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Every player you listed are fine depth pieces. IU is not a school that can stack 12 deep, top level, starter material. 

4/5 are young and need to grow. Fans can’t say a Purdue model works and what IU should work towards and simultaneously not allow it to grow. 

You're working really hard to protect one of the worst coaches in the conference.

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Ware and Mgbako have a basketball camp coming up In April for those of you who want to learn…..

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2 hours ago, Ngw7183 said:

Nope, I believe fully that making some changes to the staff, some changes in how to approach the portal etc is all much easier and healthier for the program than another change. You can expect more while simultaneously not believing a change is the right way to go. 
 

As bad as we are, Michigan, Ohio State, Maryland, hell, even UK with all that talent are all worse or same boat. Still will finish above .500 in conference with a very young roster, bad injuries etc. **** happens. You learn. You adapt. You don’t quit.

Everyone that wants to change now better never complain about a kid transferring instead of sticking it out.

Yeah changes are better than a redo.  And all good coaches self evaluate and make those changes every year.  But what evidence is there that Woodson does this.  He ran off the college experience.  And held on to some weak a$$ assistants.  But things are going to happen awfully fast at the end of the season. Does he even know college level assistants who would want to join him in a make or break year?  Or will he need a search firm and multiple interviews?  Then there is all the portal player evaluations and recruiting.  He’s going to do that while looking for assistants?  I don’t see it happening.