They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[darB s'tI]

1 minute ago, DoctorP said:

He was always coming back. See you guys next fall

Get outta here, Buckner! This board is not for you!

[HoosierMatty]

Saw on the other board that someone said Trilly mentioned that Quinn hired Archie last time and it wasn't Fred's pick. I'm curious who was Fred's pick other than Donovan. I'm also surprised we didn't get Woody then since he wanted the job back when we got Archie. Was Archie the compromise choice ? 

 

[Home Jersey]

4 minutes ago, DoctorP said:

He was always coming back. See you guys next fall

In the football threads, yes 

[rcbowla]

We have officially reached the Change.org moment of Woodson's coaching tenure. 
https://www.change.org/p/stop-quinn-buckner-fire-mike-woodson?source_location=psf_petitions

And has 185 signatures. I looked at it 164. Refreshed 3 seconds later and 185

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[hoosiersoxfan]

2 minutes ago, HoosierMatty said:

Saw on the other board that someone said Trilly mentioned that Quinn hired Archie last time and it wasn't Fred's pick. I'm curious who was Fred's pick other than Donovan. I'm also surprised we didn't get Woody then since he wanted the job back when we got Archie. Was Archie the compromise choice ? 

 

I know Fred was also interested in Chris Holtmann at the time.  No one really thought Archie was going to be a bad hire, but the Donovan possibility was real and had everyone excited.

[reconmkd]

7 minutes ago, BH33 said:

If you oppose Quinn, what is the fallout? He doesn't appoint board members, so trying to understand how he wields so much power and influence over other members.

As with most political positions, the fear of opposing the president or chairman is that if you have a project you really need approved by the board/committee, the president/chairman could tank it in retaliation. 

[Home Jersey]

Just now, reconmkd said:

As with most political positions, the fear of opposing the president or chairman is that if you have a project you really need approved by the board/committee, the president/chairman could tank it in retaliation. 

And given Buckner's connections to big money donors/Corp executives/pro basketball, that retaliation could extend into your personal life if you really cross him. I think that's the implicit danger people fear.

[HoosierMatty]

2 minutes ago, reconmkd said:

As with most political positions, the fear of opposing the president or chairman is that if you have a project you really need approved by the board/committee, the president/chairman could tank it in retaliation. 

100% this. But if he has only a year left on the board maybe someone decides it worth the risk. I'm sure Buckner would be petty. 

[JF87]

Here's my expectations of an IU basketball coach.  After the first 2 years, Woodson would have scored well on numbers 1, 2, 3, and 4.  This year he would only score well on number 4.  I feel like he has been way below expectations on 5-10. These would be my expectations of any new coach that we would bring in.  

Expectations for the IU Basketball Coach

1.      Consistently be ranked in the top 20 nationally

2.      Consistently be ranked in the upper third of the Big Ten and winning a Big Ten title once every 3-4 years

3.      Win 90% of home games

4.      Recruit quality young men that will positively represent the university on the floor and academically

5.      Establish a midwestern recruiting base in Indiana, Illinois, Ohio, and Michigan

6.      Recruit players whose intent is to play 2+ years in college basketball

7.      Build the roster through high school recruiting and utilize the portal to complete the roster because of an unexpected departure

8.      Play a modern style of basketball that attracts recruits and provides an opportunity of beating an athletically superior team

9.     Establish a team identity

10.  Establish a program culture

[rcbowla]

I can see things getting ugly for Buckner real quick. You thought the guy going up to Woody was bad....

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[darB s'tI]

1 minute ago, JF87 said:

Here's my expectations of an IU basketball coach.  After the first 2 years, Woodson would have scored well on numbers 1, 2, 3, and 4.  This year he would only score well on number 4.  I feel like he has been way below expectations on 5-10. These would be my expectations of any new coach that we would bring in.  

Expectations for the IU Basketball Coach

1.      Consistently be ranked in the top 20 nationally

2.      Consistently be ranked in the upper third of the Big Ten and winning a Big Ten title once every 3-4 years

3.      Win 90% of home games

4.      Recruit quality young men that will positively represent the university on the floor and academically

5.      Establish a midwestern recruiting base in Indiana, Illinois, Ohio, and Michigan

6.      Recruit players whose intent is to play 2+ years in college basketball

7.      Build the roster through high school recruiting and utilize the portal to complete the roster because of an unexpected departure

8.      Play a modern style of basketball that attracts recruits and provides an opportunity of beating an athletically superior team

9.     Establish a team identity

10.  Establish a program culture

Respectfully, I would not score Woody well on any of these. Maybe #6. Everything else is a fail.

[pumpfake]

1 hour ago, str8baller said:

Assuming any of this is true, this is how the dumbest organizations in the world make decisions. Which leads me to believe there’s some possibility that this is how IU is operating.   
 

Here’s how this will play out. Dolson belatedly wins that fight and they announce Woody is gone. BP gets what he wants from Auburn and pulls the rug out from underneath Dolson (he’ll be familiar with this sensation). During that time May will have agreed to contractual terms with another major school. We’ll scramble and hire somebody we never expected with half the resume or upside of May because the donors who promised money got BP didn’t want to give it for a mid major guy.  
 

 

Ahhhh…the life of an IU fan!

And still, in your nightmare scenario, we may be better off than if we stick with the status quo.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Damn, it's hard to squeeze in a post these days.

I'm not going to try to quote @cleeter and @jbeaman9 but their takes on how this plays out are on point IMO and my experience.  And FWIW, IU may be an educational institution but the management of IU isn't really any different than it is at any large corporation.  Dolson needs to have President Whitten completely in his corner.  In turn, they need to know they have BOT support.  If they know there is no support whatsoever, it would be career suicide for both to push the matter and have it overwhelmingly slapped back in their faces.  

Short digression.  Someone asked who QB's boss is?  He was appointed by the Governor so I suppose technically that's his boss.  QB's term expires in 2025 and I don't know if there's any age limit on BOT members.  If not, then it is possible our next governor could re-appoint him in 2025.

While I'm certain the BOT members don't follow our athletic programs as closely as we do, they don't live in a vacuum and are aware of the unrest in the fanbase.  Also, I feel certain Dolson and Whitten have some strong allies on the board that they are in communication with and keeping them fully apprised of what's taking place.  While QB is chairman and can wield some authority when it comes down to voting, a chairman typically only votes in the event of a tie.  The situation with IU basketball has become too big for QB to stonewall.  Group dynamics strongly suggest that the entire board doesn't follow in lockstep with everything QB wants but how the board may be split over the head coaching position is anyone's guess at this point.  And while I don't want the inmates running the asylum, the real possibility of mass defections unless Woody is replaced could well be the tipping point because of the negative image and press it would generate for the university.

 

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

6 minutes ago, rcs29 said:

I can see things getting ugly for Buckner real quick. You thought the guy going up to Woody was bad....

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Was thinking the same thing this morning.

Sunday might be the ugliest senior day in IU memory

[JSHoosier]

16 minutes ago, rcs29 said:

And has 185 signatures. I looked at it 164. Refreshed 3 seconds later and 185

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More than that now. I signed it and shared it.

[Woodsonshump]

The only run this team is going on is the bathroom if they go to Taco Bell. Who are the clowns doing this podcast anyway?

[Unexpectedflash]

Is there anyone under 60 on the board or are we left hoping that these guys fire their friend?

[Shooter]

Scary thought: we are actually quite lucky to be 16-13, 8-10.  We have won most of our close games, and have not been competitive in most of our losses. Our "luck" rating on Kenpom is 12th in the country (out of 362 teams).

We are ranked #95 on Kenpom. Other than Crean's first two years under sanctions, this is the worst IU team in the Kenpom database (goes back through 1997). Worse than any of Archie's teams. Worse than Crean's bad years that got him fired, in between his conference championships. Certainly worse than any of Knight's teams. The only two seasons even comparable are Crean year 3, and Mike Davis 2004.

I am concerned that an 8-12 or 9-11 final conference record will mask how bad this season has been to IU decision makers who are only casual basketball observers. This is likely our worst non-sanctions team in 50 years. And it's not a young team and coach that will grow together and pay dividends later. Our best player will go pro. I expect to return only 6 players from this roster - and that's an optimistic scenario that assumes we don't lose the main guys we really want to keep. We have only one recruit signed for next season. The coach who put us here turns 66 this month... it would be madness to retain him.

[Golfman25]

2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Because everyone is scared of him. He is vice president of the Pacers and has the Simons backing him. No one wants to cross QB. He is letting everyone know that Woodson is getting a 4th year. He won't even have a conversation about it. 

Another sad part is if he makes the tournament next year, then he will probably get a 5th year. 

What tournament is that?  :)  

If the rumors and such are true about players, he'll be lucky to field a team.  Going to look like one of Crean's first years.  

[JSHoosier]

Just now, Golfman25 said:

What tournament is that?  :)  

If the rumors and such are true about players, he'll be lucky to field a team.  Going to look like one of Crean's first years.  

And yet there will be excuses made instead of owning up to the fact it was his own fault.