They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Hornsby]

How did we end up consistently with such lousy leadership?
Answer: flawed process.

You gotta let the process play out. First pay Woodson 15 million to leave. Second let quinn and the cook's sit in a room and find a new coach. Should be an iu guy.

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[Hoosierfan2017]

5 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

What did Dakich post? He said his son told him to delete it

No clue, it was already deleted when I saw Goode’s tweet. Dakich still has several tweets about Goode still up, so I’d assume something harsher than his other tweets.

[PartyintheVillas]

2 minutes ago, MrBBall said:

My thinking is monetary and the brand. Two things. First is that you will lose good money if this goes south quickly. Apathy, lack of butts in seats, concession sales. 
 

Secondly, the brand. As someone else stated, you can’t have boos raining down during the Michigan game, or chants of “we want Dusty” as Woody just sits there. Being embarrassed on national tv, which IU has a few more to go through, with a former player on the sidelines. 
 

Cut bait now, and you at least give the discourse to be “what are the options next” versus “look at this pathetic display”. 
 

point being the narrative changes and that has both monetary value and brand value. 

Also, Woodson has not fared well in B1G play as a coach. He's been an objective failure. An interim solution may provide some salvageable momentum for the team, program, athletic department, university, and fanbase. I see no good reasons to keep him at this point.

[Home Jersey]

No, I am NOT emotional. YOU are the EMOTIONAL one. Lol… fire him, retire him, extend him… who the hell cares anymore. If IU’s process is incapable of saving the basketball program from being a sinking ship for two months, it deserves to go down. 

[Silat Player]

6 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Already said he should be replaced at the end of the season unless we make a dramatic turnaround, which is highly unlikely. So, asked and answered.

No, a "dramatic turnaround" wouldn't change the fact that Woodson should not keep his job for another season.

A "dramatic turnaround" wouldnt change the lack of high school long-term high school recruits (or Indiana recruits). He simply can't recruit kids that require building relationships over time. He lost two 5-star indiana recruits this year. 

A "dramatic turnaround" wouldn't change the fact that Woodson is 0-31 on recruiting Top-100 HS guards since he signed JHS. The lack of shooting on his teams has been a consistent, huge problem, and he hasn't been able to resolve it.

A "dramatic turnaround" wouldn't change the fact that in year 4, more than half of Woodson's B1G losses have been in double-figures, and nearly half have been by 15 points or more. How is it possible that his teams get consistently blown out so often?

The fact that you believe that he should still be able to keep his job tells me that you're the one who is being emotional.

If one just looks at statistics, Woodson never should have been brought back for his fourth season. The program has not been progressing. He missed the tournament last year. He has been getting blown out of games. He barely recruits any HS players anymore because he can't. The progression of the program is poor. 

[JSHoosier]

2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I don’t care if they replace him now or not. This season’s fate was sealed when the “process” dictated that he be given a fourth season. But there’s really absolutely no reason not to make a “Coach Woodson is retiring at the end of the year” announcement now. We’d all know that it’s BS and that it’s really a firing, but it’d let Woodson leave with his ego intact and avoid the fanbase hating him. 

I don't care about his ego and the decision makers shouldn't either. Their concern should be the program and by that standard he needs to go.

[mdiu28]

I'm convinced Kathy is Matt Painter just havin' some fun with the boys

[Hornsby]

In all honestly was there really anyone on this board who thought Woodson could work out when quinn hired him? I certainly did not and neither did the national media. They laughed at him.

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[PartyintheVillas]

2 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

When did you graduate from IU?

Like I would let you dox me

[JSHoosier]

Just now, Hornsby said:

In all honestly was there really anyone on this board who thought Woodson could work out when quinn hired him? I certainly did not and neither did the national media. They laughed at him.

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I thought having the likes of Matta gave hom a better chance, aside from that I hated the hire because it was laughably bad.

[Home Jersey]

Just now, PartyintheVillas said:

Like I would let you dox me

It’s funny he is checking everyone’s IU credentials but never cares to share his own…

[Golfman25]

13 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

And the results did nothing to benefit the long term health of the program.That’s the very definition of wasted effort. Why would that make sense?

Keep your head in the sand.  Last nights game was on Peacock.  Not a big audience. Nobody saw the "fire Mike Woodson" chants and the empty seats.  

The next two home games, Maryland and Michigan are on CBS -- big audience.  How is it going to look on national TV?  Bad, just bad.  That will do wonders for the "long term health" of the program.  

Don't act like we don't know what we are talking about.  Most of us have been around the block a few times.  Whether it was with sports teams, businesses, and just plain old life.  Many of us have hired and fired people.  We know "the process."  There is an old saying -- Hire slow and Fire fast.  IU should take note.  It's beyond time.  

[MikeRoberts]

7 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

You’re making my point for me - this is all EMOTION. I get that, since I hate the losing, too. It’s just not, in my opinion, a great way to make decisions, though I realize many disagree. 

Losing isn’t a reason to fire a coach? That’s usually the #1 reason coaches get fired.

Wining/losing isn’t emotional, they are facts and the facts suggest Woodson isn’t good at his job. Anywhere else in the world other than Indiana which has an impeccable process, people get fired when they aren’t good at their jobs. 

[AH1971]

1 hour ago, Home Jersey said:

Since you are confused @KathywithaC I will be more blunt. After the deafening boos and fire Mike Woodson chants yesterday, how many more occasions are you willing to let the man bear the brunt of 17,000+ angry fans in a stadium? How long do you think before that anger boils over and escalates in an unpredictable (and likely very unsafe) way? Human psychology is different in a large group like that and can become volatile quickly. Institutions have shown themselves to be woefully tone deaf and inept over the years when it comes to managing security and proactively dealing with safety threats. You want to fix this before it becomes fun for people to push the limits of bad behavior. God forbid anyone is physically harmed or other horror stories. 

So somebody is going to physically harm Woodson and/or somebody from the team and yet this fan base wonders year after year why we can't ever hire anybody worth a salt?

Yeah tone deaf.

And I'm out on Woodson by the way, so you don't need to ask 1000x over. 

[KathywithaC]

4 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

No, I am NOT emotional. YOU are the EMOTIONAL one. Lol… fire him, retire him, extend him… who the hell cares anymore. If IU’s process is incapable of saving the basketball program from being a sinking ship for two months, it deserves to go down. 

Okay, you convinced me! Thank goodness for reasoned, level-headed fans like you!

[Golfman25]

17 minutes ago, HoosierX said:

Maybe he actually believed that Mike Woodson was the right guy for the job? Just because it was dumb doesn’t mean he didn’t believe it.

Must have been an emotional belief, not based on facts.  :)    

[KathywithaC]

6 minutes ago, Silat Player said:

No, a "dramatic turnaround" wouldn't change the fact that Woodson should not keep his job for another season.

A "dramatic turnaround" wouldnt change the lack of high school long-term high school recruits (or Indiana recruits). He simply can't recruit kids that require building relationships over time. He lost two 5-star indiana recruits this year. 

A "dramatic turnaround" wouldn't change the fact that Woodson is 0-31 on recruiting Top-100 HS guards since he signed JHS. The lack of shooting on his teams has been a consistent, huge problem, and he hasn't been able to resolve it.

A "dramatic turnaround" wouldn't change the fact that in year 4, more than half of Woodson's B1G losses have been in double-figures, and nearly half have been by 15 points or more. How is it possible that his teams get consistently blown out so often?

The fact that you believe that he should still be able to keep his job tells me that you're the one who is being emotional.

If one just looks at statistics, Woodson never should have been brought back for his fourth season. The program has not been progressing. He missed the tournament last year. He has been getting blown out of games. He barely recruits any HS players anymore because he can't. The progression of the program is poor. 

I think we’ll move on him when the season ends, which is what I said. 

[AH1971]

1 hour ago, Tasmanian Devil said:

Ckathy may very well be AH1971. Trolls forget themselves. When has Kw-C and AH posted at the same time?? Coincidence?

I'm here

[PartyintheVillas]

1 minute ago, KathywithaC said:

I think we’ll move on him when the season ends, which is what I said. 

There is no reason to keep him now. I haven't seen one good reason given to keep him now that isn't emotional attachment or sunken cost fallacy.

Edited January 15, 2025 by PartyintheVillas

[Home Jersey]

How can some people post when they’re eye to eye with their own colon?