They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Hornsby]

We are really living in a world where people thump their chests due to wins over Rutgers and “road” wins over Penn State where you could hear the Lets Go Hoosiers chant through the TV lol. We are not serious. 

Yep and why I've come to realize he will be back. It's what the program has become. Knight losing in the first round in his last years pissed people off. Now its celebrated. It is what it is I guess. But football starts in 9 months and I think they have real expectations   

 

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[Pagoda]

1 minute ago, OKHOOSIER said:

We are really living in a world where people thump their chests due to wins over Rutgers and “road” wins over Penn State where you could hear the Lets Go Hoosiers chant through the TV lol. We are not serious. 

Yea.  Our fanbase expectations aren’t that high.  

We jumped three spots in KenPom to #54.

NET was #64 before this game.  I’d guess we’ll get into the 50’s after it updates.

Decent win today, it’s hard not to win some with a $6M roster, but we are still a ways off.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

Ok - snowing outside, got nothing better to do, so here it is:

Currently, we are 3-1 in the Big 10, 12-3 overall. Here is our remaining Big 10 schedule, with Matchup Predictor per ESPN (IU favorite in BOLD) for each of the games:

Jan 8^th – USC. IU listed as a 65.4 % favorite.

Jan 11th - @ Iowa. Iowa listed as 70.3 % favorite.

Jan 14th - Illinois. Illini listed as a 70.9 % favorite.

Jan 17th - @ Ohio St. Buckeyes listed as a 78.2 % favorite.

Jan 22nd - @ Northwestern. Wildcats listed as a 73 % favorite.

Jan 26th - Maryland. Terrapins listed as a 59.7 % favorite.

Jan 31st - @ Purdue. Boilers listed as a 81.4 % favorite.

Feb 4th - @ Wisconsin. Badgers listed as a 75.8 % favorite.

Feb 8th - Michigan. Wolverines listed as a 60.9 % favorite.

Feb 11th - @ Michigan St. Spartans listed as a 81.4% favorite.

Feb 14th - UCLA. Bruins listed as a 58.3 % favorite.

Feb 23rd - Purdue. Boilers listed as a 60 % favorite.

Feb 26th - Penn St. IU listed as a 54 % favorite.

Mar 1^st - @ Washington. IU listed as a 52.2 % favorite.

Mar 4^th - @ Oregon. Ducks listed as a 76.9 % favorite.

Mar 8^th – Ohio St. Buckeyes listed as a 55.2 % favorite.

So, where do the wins come from? @AH1971, your thoughts on where we pick up enough wins to make the dance? Let's hear from everyone, pro and con Woodson. Be realistic.

 

[Hoosierfan2017]

6 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

That's  what you think? Glad you said it  because we were all unsure of where you stand since you post the same thing only 20 times a day.

The expectation even from the cult was to compete for a B1G title and a 2nd weekend in the NCAAT. What, other than just being a negative person, makes you think that 10-10 gets him another year?

What makes you think he won’t get another year? He’s a former player with very influential/wealthy friends. If the inside information is to be believed, the AD wasn’t the one who decided to hire him. IU’s expectations are a fraction of what they were 20 years ago. Put all that together and I see zero reason to believe he’ll be fired if we make the tournament this year. 

[Pagoda]

I think we will improve and win something like 11 games and inch into the tournament.  Just too much talent in our roster even though we have serious coaching issues.

[DChoosier]

50 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

There were more than 15% IU fans and they were vocal in a positive way

I said 80-85% PSU.

there is no way that more than 1 out of every 5 fans there were IU fans. Very large swaths of people were in their white outs.

The IU fans that were there were indeed vocal. 

[AH1971]

7 minutes ago, Tasmanian Devil said:

Ok - snowing outside, got nothing better to do, so here it is:

Currently, we are 3-1 in the Big 10, 12-3 overall. Here is our remaining Big 10 schedule, with Matchup Predictor per ESPN (IU favorite in BOLD) for each of the games:

Jan 8^th – USC. IU listed as a 65.4 % favorite.

Jan 11th - @ Iowa. Iowa listed as 70.3 % favorite.

Jan 14th - Illinois. Illini listed as a 70.9 % favorite.

Jan 17th - @ Ohio St. Buckeyes listed as a 78.2 % favorite.

Jan 22nd - @ Northwestern. Wildcats listed as a 73 % favorite.

Jan 26th - Maryland. Terrapins listed as a 59.7 % favorite.

Jan 31st - @ Purdue. Boilers listed as a 81.4 % favorite.

Feb 4th - @ Wisconsin. Badgers listed as a 75.8 % favorite.

Feb 8th - Michigan. Wolverines listed as a 60.9 % favorite.

Feb 11th - @ Michigan St. Spartans listed as a 81.4% favorite.

Feb 14th - UCLA. Bruins listed as a 58.3 % favorite.

Feb 23rd - Purdue. Boilers listed as a 60 % favorite.

Feb 26th - Penn St. IU listed as a 54 % favorite.

Mar 1^st - @ Washington. IU listed as a 52.2 % favorite.

Mar 4^th - @ Oregon. Ducks listed as a 76.9 % favorite.

Mar 8^th – Ohio St. Buckeyes listed as a 55.2 % favorite.

So, where do the wins come from? @AH1971, your thoughts on where we pick up enough wins to make the dance? Let's hear from everyone, pro and con Woodson. Be realistic.

 

Per ESPN, PSU was 73% to win pre-tip. Who gives a hoot. IU plays with effort and energy like today there’s 10-11 wins left on the schedule. The B10 ain’t that good this year.

[OKHOOSIER]

6 minutes ago, Tasmanian Devil said:

Ok - snowing outside, got nothing better to do, so here it is:

Currently, we are 3-1 in the Big 10, 12-3 overall. Here is our remaining Big 10 schedule, with Matchup Predictor per ESPN (IU favorite in BOLD) for each of the games:

Jan 8^th – USC. IU listed as a 65.4 % favorite.

Jan 11th - @ Iowa. Iowa listed as 70.3 % favorite.

Jan 14th - Illinois. Illini listed as a 70.9 % favorite.

Jan 17th - @ Ohio St. Buckeyes listed as a 78.2 % favorite.

Jan 22nd - @ Northwestern. Wildcats listed as a 73 % favorite.

Jan 26th - Maryland. Terrapins listed as a 59.7 % favorite.

Jan 31st - @ Purdue. Boilers listed as a 81.4 % favorite.

Feb 4th - @ Wisconsin. Badgers listed as a 75.8 % favorite.

Feb 8th - Michigan. Wolverines listed as a 60.9 % favorite.

Feb 11th - @ Michigan St. Spartans listed as a 81.4% favorite.

Feb 14th - UCLA. Bruins listed as a 58.3 % favorite.

Feb 23rd - Purdue. Boilers listed as a 60 % favorite.

Feb 26th - Penn St. IU listed as a 54 % favorite.

Mar 1^st - @ Washington. IU listed as a 52.2 % favorite.

Mar 4^th - @ Oregon. Ducks listed as a 76.9 % favorite.

Mar 8^th – Ohio St. Buckeyes listed as a 55.2 % favorite.

So, where do the wins come from? @AH1971, your thoughts on where we pick up enough wins to make the dance? Let's hear from everyone, pro and con Woodson. Be realistic.

 

Give me 7/8 at home and one on the road, 11-9 and heavy bubble team. 

[DChoosier]

6 minutes ago, Tasmanian Devil said:

Ok - snowing outside, got nothing better to do, so here it is:

Currently, we are 3-1 in the Big 10, 12-3 overall. Here is our remaining Big 10 schedule, with Matchup Predictor per ESPN (IU favorite in BOLD) for each of the games:

Jan 8^th – USC. IU listed as a 65.4 % favorite.

Jan 11th - @ Iowa. Iowa listed as 70.3 % favorite.

Jan 14th - Illinois. Illini listed as a 70.9 % favorite.

Jan 17th - @ Ohio St. Buckeyes listed as a 78.2 % favorite.

Jan 22nd - @ Northwestern. Wildcats listed as a 73 % favorite.

Jan 26th - Maryland. Terrapins listed as a 59.7 % favorite.

Jan 31st - @ Purdue. Boilers listed as a 81.4 % favorite.

Feb 4th - @ Wisconsin. Badgers listed as a 75.8 % favorite.

Feb 8th - Michigan. Wolverines listed as a 60.9 % favorite.

Feb 11th - @ Michigan St. Spartans listed as a 81.4% favorite.

Feb 14th - UCLA. Bruins listed as a 58.3 % favorite.

Feb 23rd - Purdue. Boilers listed as a 60 % favorite.

Feb 26th - Penn St. IU listed as a 54 % favorite.

Mar 1^st - @ Washington. IU listed as a 52.2 % favorite.

Mar 4^th - @ Oregon. Ducks listed as a 76.9 % favorite.

Mar 8^th – Ohio St. Buckeyes listed as a 55.2 % favorite.

So, where do the wins come from? @AH1971, your thoughts on where we pick up enough wins to make the dance? Let's hear from everyone, pro and con Woodson. Be realistic.

 

We will beat USC and then, as I posted earlier, we go on an 11 game stretch in which I think we will only win 3-4 games. I still don’t see us in the tourney or Woody being back next year. 

[Hornsby]

What makes you think he won’t get another year? He’s a former player with very influential/wealthy friends. If the inside information is to be believed, the AD wasn’t the one who decided to hire him. IU’s expectations are a fraction of what they were 20 years ago. Put all that together and I see zero reason to believe he’ll be fired if we make the tournament this year. 

A six million dollar roster at a school like Kentucky would expect 15 or 16 conference wins. At iu it's 10 or 11. Everything you say is true. He will most likely be back if he wants to be. He has friends in very high places. The twitter cult may of had high expectations but they are plenty happy just making the tourney  

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[Tasmanian Devil]

5 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Per ESPN, PSU was 73% to win pre-tip. Who gives a hoot. IU plays with effort and energy like today there’s 10-11 wins left on the schedule. The B10 ain’t that good this year.

Fair enough for the predictor.

So - the schedule is listed for you. Who do we beat?

[Uspshoosier]

6 minutes ago, Tasmanian Devil said:

So, where do the wins come from?

Besides the USC game they will have 15 opportunities for a resume building win.  As of today they have 6 home opportunities for a Q1 win.  This isn’t complicated for both sides of the argument.  They play a gauntlet of a schedule moving forward.  They will either win enough where some will pump their chest out and say I told you so or they will lose enough to where people will pump their chest out and say I told you so.   Will they win enough?  Don’t know however since they play in the B1G they will have every opportunity to do so

[AH1971]

Just now, Tasmanian Devil said:

Fair enough for the predictor.

So - the schedule is listed for you. Who do we beat?

Buddy, I just said if IU plays with the same effort and energy there’s 10-11 more wins on the schedule. I don’t know which games they’ll show up for and which ones they won’t, it’s college basketball…this your first year watching?

Surely you took Penn State given they had a 73% chance of winning right? IU’s as talented as any team in the B10, if they match their opponents intensity, they’ll win more games than the lose.

[go iu bb]

2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

What makes you think he won’t get another year? He’s a former player with very influential/wealthy friends. If the inside information is to be believed, the AD wasn’t the one who decided to hire him. IU’s expectations are a fraction of what they were 20 years ago. Put all that together and I see zero reason to believe he’ll be fired if we make the tournament this year. 

The expectations were quite high entering the season, as I stated. Barely making the tournament followed by  the customary blowout would be yet another underperforming season. Would the big spenders really be happy with that return? Doubtful.

Dolson didn't appear to be behind him after last season. This season won't change his mind. He'll have more pull after the season his football hire just had. He might be able to get Whitten on his side.

Buckner will be in the last few months of his term, i.e. a lame duck. I just don't see him having much power to prevent the AD from doing his job.

Fan attendance at home games has been noticeably down. When the team has their yearly losing streak, it'll get worse. Fewer fans in the seats means less money, which is what they care about  in the end.. 

3-1 so far and probably 4-1 after the next game but the conference schedule to this point has been weak. This team isn't well coached so it'll go off the tracks when the competition gets better. A win at a neutral site against Penn State doesn't change that.

[IndianaSconnie90]

15 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Per ESPN, PSU was 73% to win pre-tip. Who gives a hoot. IU plays with effort and energy like today there’s 10-11 wins left on the schedule. The B10 ain’t that good this year.

That wasn't really the question. You'd get an award for deflecting though 

[JSHoosier]

17 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

What makes you think he won’t get another year? He’s a former player with very influential/wealthy friends. If the inside information is to be believed, the AD wasn’t the one who decided to hire him. IU’s expectations are a fraction of what they were 20 years ago. Put all that together and I see zero reason to believe he’ll be fired if we make the tournament this year. 

Making excuses and lowering expectations are the only things IU has done consistently well the last 25 years.

You forgot to add IU's history of not moving on when they should.

[MikeRoberts]

4 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Buddy, I just said if IU plays with the same effort and energy there’s 10-11 more wins on the schedule. I don’t know which games they’ll show up for and which ones they won’t, it’s college basketball…this your first year watching?

Surely you took Penn State given they had a 73% chance of winning right? IU’s as talented as any team in the B10, if they match their opponents intensity, they’ll win more games than the lose.

I’m not going to ask you pick our wins and losses but as you noted, the team is plenty talented it’s just a matter of whether they show and play with E&E.

i believe you are still high on Woodson but having your team play consistently with E&E is table stakes and on the coach in terms of roster assembly and in season demanding that of them, no?

[Pagoda]

22 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

What makes you think he won’t get another year? He’s a former player with very influential/wealthy friends. If the inside information is to be believed, the AD wasn’t the one who decided to hire him. IU’s expectations are a fraction of what they were 20 years ago. Put all that together and I see zero reason to believe he’ll be fired if we make the tournament this year. 

Here is the case he will be fired after this season:

- Quinn's Chairmanship is over this summer, and he is likely leaving the board.  Yes he is around this spring, but he is a lame duck and that matters.  What is he really going to do?

- Scott got an extension and a raise in May.  He is responsible for the incredible turnaround in FB, the sport that really matters and drives the entire success of the athletic dept.  He has a lot more influence now.  He can't be fired by Quinn, Quinn isn't even his boss.

- Cook and Simon upped the NIL, but that likely came with expectations to compete for the conference and make the second week of the tourney.  I think they like Woody, but they're not a Quinn or Ferguson level allies, and I doubt they enjoyed being down 40 to Louisville or potentially inching into the tourney and not really being competitive.  Basically, their NIL has been wasted to date.  Keep in mind Cook and Simon also probably like Scott and respect what he has done with FB.  Cook and Simon aren't mindless Woody supporters, they know IUBB is irrelevant right now.

- HS recruiting has been very poor for two years.  Woody had one good portal when he had bags of cash to spend.

- Donations and attendance are down.  Probably doesn't move the needle much, but it's another negative sign.

- All these bad stories about Woody, well if you know anyone around the program, they'll confirm the stories are more or less true, and there are probably many more we don't know about.  However, people around the program know all the stories.  This reinforces he isn't the guy.

I can't see the future, but if Woody doesn't compete for the conference and win some tourney games, IU would have spent top-5 NIL for basically no return.  And last year was bad too.  That's probably enough to allow Scott to make a change.

Woody does still have conference play left to make a case to keep his job.  It's not likely, but it's possible it happens.  We have a $6M roster and quite a bit of talent despite the coaching deficiencies.  

[Uspshoosier]

15 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

Give me 7/8 at home and one on the road, 11-9 and heavy bubble team. 

As of today 6 of those home wins would be 6 Q1 wins to go along with 2 road wins that would be Q1.  11-9 in the second strongest conference with 0 Q 3 losses and 8 Q1 wins would be a heavy bubble team?   That’s a strong bubble 

[AH1971]

1 minute ago, IndianaSconnie90 said:

That wasn't really the question. You'd get an award for deflecting though 

Because picking and choosing wins and losses in a sport as fluid as college basketball is such a stupid and futile exercise. Half you clowns picked Penn State in a blowout today.