They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Stuhoo 89,443]

Mike Woodson with that 'Bob Knight who he doesn't like' guy:

[AZ Hoosier 10,879]

41 minutes ago, theriverpilot said:

 Dakich really gunned hard on Goode for making MW go shake hands.  Implying that MW didn't have to shake hands nor would he (Dakich) in that situation.  I know Dakich has it in for Goode because of their Twitter (or X, or whatever Musk calls it these days) spat but what a crappy take.  

I'm really curious what "that situation" was... that "Woodson could not coach his team" situation? That "Woodson's team blew a 4 point lead in under 40 seconds" situation? That "Woodson lacks an ounce of sportsmanship" situation?

You shake hands at the end of the game. Period. It's the right thing to do.

Dakich is a real piece of work.

[AZ Hoosier 10,879]

46 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

I bet Simon Scott would have to give Woodson 10 million next year to get this type of talent again.

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Ok, I have to ask. Who is "Simon Scott"? You keep talking about this person as the kingpin it all that is wrong with IU basketball.

Are you talking about Cindy Simon Skjodt, the philanthropist? She is the daughter of Melvin "Mel" Simon (1926-2009) of Indianapolis real estate fame and co-owner of the Pacers with his brother Herb until his death.

She donated $40M for the renovation (and renaming) of Simon Skjodt Assembly Hall in 2015.

I don't know how involved she is in funding NIL for Indiana University, if at all. Maybe @Chris007 or some of the other locals know what the connection is... but as I understand it, the bulk of extra NIL for the current season's team came from the Simon family and the Cook family...

[Rico 3,552]

8 minutes ago, bodsbums said:

I’ve only seen this discussed briefly here on this massive thread. Assuming Woody is gone, what players that are eligible to return would you like to see actually return? Not who you think might/will… who would you like? Are there any foundational pieces currently here? it seems to be pretty well documented that Sisley will come no matter what. The Bosnian? I know nothing about him, but his three-point shooting percentage alone having already been playing against grown men tells me that I think we would like to keep him. Others besides the 2 signees?

I am just concerned about the HC position.  I will let the new King decide on who he wants or ejects.

[AZ Hoosier 10,879]

38 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I don’t think it was about Goode, despite whatever friction they have. The way I understood it, it was more about the inmates running the asylum, no player should ever tell the coach to go shake hands.  He was saying that was Woodson’s fault for allowing him to redirect like a grandpa with dementia.  That’s what I took from it.  

I'd say that no player should ever have to tell the coach to go shake hands. The coach should do that just for being a decent human being - sportsmanship and all... but I guess there's room for a discussion about that, as well.

[AH1971 3,148]

2 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Ok, I have to ask. Who is "Simon Scott"? You keep talking about this person as the kingpin it all that is wrong with IU basketball.

Are you talking about Cindy Simon Skjodt, the philanthropist? She is the daughter of Melvin "Mel" Simon (1926-2009) of Indianapolis real estate fame and co-owner of the Pacers with his brother Herb until his death.

She donated $40M for the renovation (and renaming) of Simon Skjodt Assembly Hall in 2015.

I don't know how involved she is in funding NIL for Indiana University, if at all. Maybe @Chris007 or some of the other locals know what the connection is... but as I understand it, the bulk of extra NIL for the current season's team came from the Simon family and the Cook family...

CSS is much more involved in IU athletics, and IU in general, than her brother David who is the CEO of the Simon Property Group. 

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2 minutes ago, Rico said:

I am just concerned about the HC position.  I will let the new King decide on who he wants or ejects.

Fair enough, but it seems that the consensus is Woody will be gone. Gloom and doom folks fear the worst, but I think it’s safe to say he won’t be back.  There are only so many ways to say we want him fired in 1800 pages of a thread.  We have two signees that I think we would like to keep.  That leaves 11 scholarships available.  I think it’s reasonable to start thinking about how many returning players do we actually want? To answer my own question, I think I would be fine with seeing Miles Rice return to see what he can do with proper coaching in a proper system. Oddly enough with all his faults I think I would actually be OK with run it back 1 more time with Mbako. He clearly has a bunch of issues, but he also clearly has some talent and you need some talent to win.  I think a good coach could unlock some of that.  The rest of the roster I am fine with leaving.

[Artie86 3,494]

Just now, Rico said:

I am just concerned about the HC position.  I will let the new King decide on who he wants or ejects.

I have a feeling the next coach will be won't have an ounce of trouble getting the players he wants. 

[IUGRAD06 929]

2 minutes ago, bodsbums said:

Fair enough, but it seems that the consensus is Woody will be gone. Gloom and doom folks fear the worst, but I think it’s safe to say he won’t be back.  There are only so many ways to say we want him fired in 1800 pages of a thread.  We have two signees that I think we would like to keep.  That leaves 11 scholarships available.  I think it’s reasonable to start thinking about how many returning players do we actually want? To answer my own question, I think I would be fine with seeing Miles Rice return to see what he can do with proper coaching in a proper system. Oddly enough with all his faults I think I would actually be OK with run it back 1 more time with Mbako. He clearly has a bunch of issues, but he also clearly has some talent and you need some talent to win.  I think a good coach could unlock some of that.  The rest of the roster I am fine with leaving.

You should always be afraid of a late tourney run in the conference tournaments.  Case last year with Kevin Keatts.  Was going to be fired then they got hot during the conference tourney and made a final four run.  Now they have another losing record and will most likely miss the tourney again.  

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

42 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Can you imagine the asswhopping Painter wants to put on IU after the 66-0 football beatdown. Cig embarrassed their program, payback is going to be a beotch.

I say we lose by more than 20!

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12 hours ago, Hornsby said:

They spent like 750k on tucker and he doesn't even play


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He was playing but it wasn't going well.  He's not a three point shooter and while he has a good mid range game, you can not simply be a mid range shooter in today's game and succeed.

[Stuhoo 89,443]

11 minutes ago, bodsbums said:

Fair enough, but it seems that the consensus is Woody will be gone. Gloom and doom folks fear the worst, but I think it’s safe to say he won’t be back.  There are only so many ways to say we want him fired in 1800 pages of a thread.  We have two signees that I think we would like to keep.  That leaves 11 scholarships available.  I think it’s reasonable to start thinking about how many returning players do we actually want? To answer my own question, I think I would be fine with seeing Miles Rice return to see what he can do with proper coaching in a proper system. Oddly enough with all his faults I think I would actually be OK with run it back 1 more time with Mbako. He clearly has a bunch of issues, but he also clearly has some talent and you need some talent to win.  I think a good coach could unlock some of that.  The rest of the roster I am fine with leaving.

Cupps, Goode if he could find eligibility, Malik, and Rice. Sisley and Zrno. Maybe Newton, Carlyle, or Tucker. They could all be good in the right system if the new coach decided they were appropriate.

[maharkn 1,953]

1 minute ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I say we lose by more than 20!

I would be shocked if it was less than that. I think Ballo will have a good game offensively based on he should be able to beat up on TKR. On defense I don't think he will be able to stop TKR in space and I don't think we have a guard phyisical enough to stop smith

[Chris007 62,496]

11 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Ok, I have to ask. Who is "Simon Scott"? You keep talking about this person as the kingpin it all that is wrong with IU basketball.

Are you talking about Cindy Simon Skjodt, the philanthropist? She is the daughter of Melvin "Mel" Simon (1926-2009) of Indianapolis real estate fame and co-owner of the Pacers with his brother Herb until his death.

She donated $40M for the renovation (and renaming) of Simon Skjodt Assembly Hall in 2015.

I don't know how involved she is in funding NIL for Indiana University, if at all. Maybe @Chris007 or some of the other locals know what the connection is... but as I understand it, the bulk of extra NIL for the current season's team came from the Simon family and the Cook family...

The Simon family is Herb, his son Stephen and Cindy & her husband. I have no idea who likes to donate to our NIL. But I'm guessing since Quinn is a VP of the Pacers it's probably one of the owners who he is friends with or Cindy's husband

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3 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

That's 100% as bad a response as you can give.  Woodson couldn't even decide who he wanted in the game.

And this is after he called a timeout with 5.6 seconds left where the play he called was basically worthless.

[mamasa 15,969]

I'm definitely in the minority, but I'd give those with eligibility (and who want to stay) another shot. Woodson has hindered/ruined what we could have seen from these players by his lack of coaching 

[IU22 269]

24 minutes ago, bodsbums said:

I’ve only seen this discussed briefly here on this massive thread. Assuming Woody is gone, what players that are eligible to return would you like to see actually return? Not who you think might/will… who would you like? Are there any foundational pieces currently here? it seems to be pretty well documented that Sisley will come no matter what. The Bosnian? I know nothing about him, but his three-point shooting percentage alone having already been playing against grown men tells me that I think we would like to keep him. Others besides the 2 signees?

Rice, Sisley, the Bosnian kid, Reneau, Carlyle and Cupps(if he doesn't transfer). That gives you a solid start and then go find a few studs.

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

33 minutes ago, WeeDerkaNaut said:

"Tell Goode to go F himself?" "What has he done in the 10 minutes he's been here other than foul 4 times?" Listened to the first few minutes and that's all I needed to hear. If I'm Goode in that situation I'm doing the exact same thing. I do not care that you're the coach and I'm a player, you're not going to make me and the team look even worse by pulling that stunt. I am redirecting you like Goode did and you can chew my a$$ for it later. Swallow your pride, eat the loss, go shake hands. For DD to be so damning of Goode for trying to keep Woodson and Ya from not only embarrassing themselves but the entire program further tells me that my initial assessment is correct in that he cares more about spiting a player than he does about showing respect, class, and grace in a loss. 

I’m not going to get into an argument over DD, I heard that first part and yes, it seems like DD doesn’t like LG for some reason.  But both him and Leary started that other part as the inmates running the asylum and that’s the way I took it.  Maybe I just took wrong or see it wrong.  I’m not trying to draw it from him not liking Goode.  

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55 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I don’t think it was about Goode, despite whatever friction they have. The way I understood it, it was more about the inmates running the asylum, no player should ever tell the coach to go shake hands.  He was saying that was Woodson’s fault for allowing him to redirect like a grandpa with dementia.  That’s what I took from it.  

Sorry, but that's baloney.  It isn't 'no player should ever tell the coach to go shake hands', it's 'no player SHOULD HAVE TO tell the coach to go shake hands'.  Dakich is just showing his own bias because he doesn't like Goode.

The problem isn't the inmates running the asylum.  The problem is that the inmates HAVE TO run the asylum because the wardon won't.

[str8baller 7,466]

1 minute ago, mamasa said:

I'm definitely in the minority, but I'd give those with eligibility another shot. Woodson has hindered/ruined what we could have seen from these players by his lack of coaching 

Same, depending on NIL. New coach may not want to allocate a bunch for Tucker or Carlyle, for example.  
 

But with Galloway, Leal, Ballo, Hatton and Goode gone—plus there’s always one or two that leave anyways. You kind of need most of the rest of the guys to stick around with only two recruits coming in. You’ll still have to pull at least 3 or 4 from the portal.  
 

I’m guessing a competent coach can get more out of guys like Rice, Carlyle, Tucker and Mbako than what Woody has.