Hornsby Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 He probably thinks he is with his friends protecting him. With how poorly run this program has been he may be right, unfortunately.Yep. It he can land these guys and create optics of even crappy recruiting it gives quinn cover. Woodson isn't going to leave quietlySent from my SM-A146U using Tapatalk JF87 1
Stuhoo Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 21 minutes ago, Mr. Hoosier Pride said: My only issue with this is that we are waiting for "optics" to be right .....when clearly it's not working (see past 4 seasons, see Bikoff's numbers from earlier, see fan interest, etc...) And what happens if they go on a run (like last year), say a 5 game winning streak....what's the optics look like then? That's when the leaks come from the Athletic Department (or elsewhere) that Woody will be returning, and cue Coach's presser "I'm doing my job." "F" optics, let's move on Scott. "5 game winning streak?" Our next five games are: Maryland at home At Purdoo At Wisconsin Michigan at home At Michigan State Those teams have a current combined conference record of 32-10! Even in a better year, if we could win two of those five it would be considered a reasonable outcome. If we lose to Maryland it's likely that at most we will win one of those five, which would put us at 15-10, 6-8 in conference. Two of five would be 16-9, 7-7 in conference. It's not looking all that good. However, if we win three of the next five? 17-8 and 8-6 in conference and this Indiana team will have duly earned some real praise. I just don't see it happening. JerryYeagley23, kottke and AZ Hoosier 3
Popular Post JerryYeagley23 Posted January 23, 2025 Popular Post Posted January 23, 2025 18 minutes ago, Mr. Hoosier Pride said: My only issue with this is that we are waiting for "optics" to be right .....when clearly it's not working (see past 4 seasons, see Bikoff's numbers from earlier, see fan interest, etc...) And what happens if they go on a run (like last year), say a 5 game winning streak....what's the optics look like then? That's when the leaks come from the Athletic Department (or elsewhere) that Woody will be returning, and cue Coach's presser "I'm doing my job." "F" optics, let's move on Scott. He’s done at the end of the season regardless. The admin is just being cautious about a mid-season change because not every coach and media person in the country has been watching for four years and understands. It’s maybe not a good look as a program to be moving on from a coach with a winning record and above .500 conference record. Unless a string of games or bad loss is in the forefront of things. Just let it play out. Our schedule is about to get hairy, and Woody isn’t learning to coach suddenly in February. J34, IU Prof, theriverpilot and 39 others 36 5 1
Home Jersey Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 Nothing personal against the Bosnian kid, but if he commits with a very uncertain future around the staff, I’d be highly suspicious it’s just because we pay the best, so if the new coach keeps him, great and if the new coach tells him there’s not a spot here, they’re probably thinking being a late decommit in the spring is a better brand than an international player trying to find a college landing spot. I’d like a clean start for the new coach, with very few exceptions. Assuming we get a new coach… Hornsby and AZ Hoosier 2
HinnyHoosier Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 19 minutes ago, JerryYeagley23 said: He’s done at the end of the season regardless. The admin is just being cautious about a mid-season change because not every coach and media person in the country has been watching for four years and understands. It’s maybe not a good look as a program to be moving on from a coach with a winning record and above .500 conference record. Unless a string of games or bad loss is in the forefront of things. Just let it play out. Our schedule is about to get hairy, and Woody isn’t learning to coach suddenly in February. The optics will begin to make sense when we're fully exposed in the four games (and beyond) following Maryland. The rest of the season will be more than enough to get him canned but if they can avoid "Mike Woodson Fired" in headlines they absolutely will do so. The goal will be retirement.
Hornsby Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 Nothing personal against the Bosnian kid, but if he commits with a very uncertain future around the staff, I’d be highly suspicious it’s just because we pay the best, so if the new coach keeps him, great and if the new coach tells him there’s not a spot here, they’re probably thinking being a late decommit in the spring is a better brand than an international player trying to find a college landing spot. I’d like a clean start for the new coach, with very few exceptions. Assuming we get a new coach…I want a whole new roster with the new coach. I don't want any of these guys back they have learned horrible habits from the king and they are all big money guys. We can do better. Sent from my SM-A146U using Tapatalk kottke and Home Jersey 2
Home Jersey Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 Just now, Hornsby said: I want a whole new roster with the new coach. I don't want any of these guys back they have learned horrible habits from the king and they are all big money guys. We can do better. Sent from my SM-A146U using Tapatalk I'd be good with Rice coming back and I guess Jakai Newton if you wanna take a flyer on him ever getting healthy. Not going to be upset if we turn over the entire roster and have 13 new guys next year. Would be swell as far as I'm concerned lol Hoosierfan2017 1
Kentuckysucks Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 1 hour ago, JerryYeagley23 said: I’m not counting on it. Think we need to drop a bit more in the standings or get blown out again for optics to be right for the rip chord move. Sit tight. Dumbest administration of all time. J34 1
Hoosierfan2017 Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 3 minutes ago, Home Jersey said: I'd be good with Rice coming back and I guess Jakai Newton if you wanna take a flyer on him ever getting healthy. Not going to be upset if we turn over the entire roster and have 13 new guys next year. Would be swell as far as I'm concerned lol Yeah I don’t particularly care for any of the players on this roster. Maybe my hatred of Woodson has poisoned my feelings toward them, but I’m perfectly fine with an entirely new team next season. Clear house entirely. VFury, thebigweave, Home Jersey and 2 others 5
Mr. Hoosier Pride Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 32 minutes ago, JerryYeagley23 said: He’s done at the end of the season regardless. The admin is just being cautious about a mid-season change because not every coach and media person in the country has been watching for four years and understands. It’s maybe not a good look as a program to be moving on from a coach with a winning record and above .500 conference record. Unless a string of games or bad loss is in the forefront of things. Just let it play out. Our schedule is about to get hairy, and Woody isn’t learning to coach suddenly in February. As long as that's the case...I'm good....I just fear the worse.... Thank you thebigweave, pumpfake and Chris007 3
Kentuckysucks Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 32 minutes ago, JerryYeagley23 said: He’s done at the end of the season regardless. The admin is just being cautious about a mid-season change because not every coach and media person in the country has been watching for four years and understands. It’s maybe not a good look as a program to be moving on from a coach with a winning record and above .500 conference record. Unless a string of games or bad loss is in the forefront of things. Just let it play out. Our schedule is about to get hairy, and Woody isn’t learning to coach suddenly in February. He’s gone even if they rattle off some miracle wins, squeak in the dance, and make the S16? Unlikely but Woody seems to always go on some miracle wins streak at the end of every year.
Hornsby Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 Yeah I don’t particularly care for any of the players on this roster. Maybe my hatred of Woodson has poisoned my feelings toward them, but I’m perfectly fine with an entirely new team next season. Clear house entirely. It's clear you don't need to pay guys 800k to win games. Woodson has two 800k guys on the bench while getting smoked by guys probably making 200k. He just threw money at anyone ranked high. Clean house.Sent from my SM-A146U using Tapatalk RoadRage 1
Class of '66 Old Fart Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 1 hour ago, Scotty R said: I would think they would know that Woodson is on the hot seat so they must not care or they have no clue what to a going on. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ RaceToTheTop 1
Artie86 Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 12 minutes ago, Hornsby said: It's clear you don't need to pay guys 800k to win games. Woodson has two 800k guys on the bench while getting smoked by guys probably making 200k. He just threw money at anyone ranked high. Clean house. Sent from my SM-A146U using Tapatalk ….just think of it this way. Most every young man or woman has dreams of playing in the NBA or WNBA to get that big money. They know if they get there they have reached the pinnacle. Some of these are getting paid NIL money in college that they probably won’t be making in the NBA or even oversees. thebigweave 1
JSHoosier Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 58 minutes ago, Hornsby said: It's clear you don't need to pay guys 800k to win games. Woodson has two 800k guys on the bench while getting smoked by guys probably making 200k. He just threw money at anyone ranked high. Clean house. Sent from my SM-A146U using Tapatalk Well he never had to assemble a roster before he got this job, so what did you expect? That fact just makes hiring him even dumber. Hoosier DaDa 1
Popular Post OKHOOSIER Posted January 23, 2025 Popular Post Posted January 23, 2025 35 minutes ago, Home Jersey said: I'd be good with Rice coming back and I guess Jakai Newton if you wanna take a flyer on him ever getting healthy. Not going to be upset if we turn over the entire roster and have 13 new guys next year. Would be swell as far as I'm concerned lol I’m not a huge fan of a lot of the roster because the parts simply don’t fit the problems with Woody’s systems (or lack thereof). That said, it would be objectively hilarious for a new coach to come in, keep everyone with eligibility and immediately turn it around. There’s a decent to good team here, it’s just lacking any identity, cohesion, or modern coaching. I can picture a lot of coaches that could take this roster and rattle off 25ish wins. Pagoda, tkbbn, Home Jersey and 9 others 12
Popular Post RaceToTheTop Posted January 23, 2025 Popular Post Posted January 23, 2025 1 hour ago, realTomCrean said: I've seen some say they want to retain Tucker with a new coach & of course with Sisley being a homegrown product many want to keep him. I will go a different route in saying that as awful as Carlyle has been, in 2 years with a coach he will be a good depth piece on a competitive team. The Bosnian makes zero sense to me right now. Worst case, the Bosnian decommits with a coaching change. Best case, new coach is a home run guy and he stays. I don’t see the down side. BannerVille, Parakeet Jones, Hutch89 and 7 others 10
RaceToTheTop Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 Personally, I think admin is worrying too much about ‘the optics’. The media HATED the Woodson hire. The talking heads who wrote ill about the Miller and crean firings were guys who had personal relationships with them. Kentuckysucks, hper50, Artie86 and 4 others 7
RaceToTheTop Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 42 minutes ago, Hornsby said: It's clear you don't need to pay guys 800k to win games. Woodson has two 800k guys on the bench while getting smoked by guys probably making 200k. He just threw money at anyone ranked high. Clean house. Sent from my SM-A146U using Tapatalk In the long term, it’s better to have both a good coach and money to pay players. Good coaches can absolutely win with the roster we have, regardless of the I’ll fit. HoosierHoopster 1
monskisprodigy Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 11 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said: Worst case, the Bosnian decommits with a coaching change. Best case, new coach is a home run guy and he stays. I don’t see the down side. Haven't seen it posted, why do we think we are getting him? Based on nothing, but my money is on Wisconsin in this race.
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