They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Silat Player]

1 hour ago, OKHOOSIER said:

Today is getting weird in here because I definitely agree with you here lol. I’ll probably get skewered for this take but…..

While I do think it would be a slam dunk hire and would be thrilled, I do think there are some questions with BS. He hasn’t coached college in a decade and hasn’t coached at all in a minute. BS isn’t the grand slam home run he would have been after Crean anymore, more like a two run bomb with the potential to be a grand slam. Forgive me for my extended analogy lol

Completely agree.

[Golfman25]

18 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

In the Gary Parrish video (above) they talked about May having turned down the Louisville job due to the "fishbowl" effect and mentioned that May might have passed on IU for the same reason... I know he's an alum, and he said that he wanted to coach here... but too much pressure? The inference was that Michigan was a football school, so less pressure... 

Not sure that I agree with them, but it's an interesting take on the situation. And I'd still take him in a heartbeat.

I am so sick of "the high expectations" and the "fans are the problem" bull crap. 

People act like it's rocket science.  It isn't.  Successful coaches have a handful of characteristics you can model.  Successful programs have the same.  Create a profile and follow it.  

The goals and expectations are simple -- it's a numbers game.  The more you make the tournament, the better your chances to advance.  So get yourself into the tournament as much as possible.  For the BIG10 that means what, top 7 or 8.  It's bonus if you're competing top 3 for the championship every few years.  But you have to get to the tourney.  Once you're in the tourney, you'll win some, you'll lose some.  Win 2 games and you're in the sweet 16.  1 more and you're "elite."  From there anything can happen.  You do it enough times with a level of consistency, the odds are in your favor to make the final 4 and beyond.  If you're not stumbling, bumbling, idiot as a coach you can get this done.  Heck, even Tom Crean was doing it -- just couldn't get over that hump.   :) 

[IndianaSconnie90]

1 hour ago, KathywithaC said:

So why did he publicly dismiss his interest in IU and any possibility that he’d take the job? Why not say “They made an incredibly generous offer and I love it there, but our family decided that this is the place for us”? Instead, we got the “Masshole” soliloquy, which was dismissive to both IU and IU fans.

I've been wholeheartedly unimpressed with your thoughts regarding Woodson. In fact, if those that you know within the administration share your thought process then I see where the problem is. 

First off, firing Woodson mid season, at this point, is anything but an "emotional/knee jerk reaction" as you put it. We're so beyond a "knee jerk" reaction from a time standpoint alone that it's humorous you even offered that up. We've seen 4 years of the same garbage/inability to coach at this level from this guy on top of the fact that he was wildly unqualified to hold a collegiate coaching position to begin with. His grandpa aura is a major turnoff for alot of recruits and his arrogance is the "turd in the punch bowl" for the fans witnessing his coaching shortcomings. 

Secondly, you labor under the misconception that fans want him gone because we think an interim will bring better results on the court. That couldn't be further from the truth. Nobody on that staff could be trusted to lift this roster into a winner, however, nobody on that staff has developed into the wart on this fanbase's @$$ like Woodson. Maybe Hill but that's only by association and the fact that he appears to be sleeping through this misery. This fanbase could take damn near anybody else's face at those press conferences and would be perfectly fine with a washed season at this point. Nobody is asking for CC or Hulls or Walsh to take over because they expect better results. They'll take anybody as long as it isn't Woodson just to get him off that sideline.

Finally, I don't care what the process "is". The process needs to think about changing and changing quickly. The optics are far worse if they keep him for the season and this dumpsterfire continues. If those in the administration are using terms/phrases like "knee jerk", "emotional reaction", or "it's not going to gain us immediately better results", then they need to grow a pair or leave. 

[AH1971]

13 minutes ago, Hoosier DaDa said:

So does this mean you onboard since you are talking about coaching candidates?  Or is Woody still going to turn this around?

I’ve already answered that, but yes time to move.

[VFury]

35 minutes ago, southsidehoosier said:

Looks like everyone is talking about this 

 

Can't watch now, who did they say?

[OKHOOSIER]

4 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

I am so sick of "the high expectations" and the "fans are the problem" bull crap. 

People act like it's rocket science.  It isn't.  Successful coaches have a handful of characteristics you can model.  Successful programs have the same.  Create a profile and follow it.  

The goals and expectations are simple -- it's a numbers game.  The more you make the tournament, the better your chances to advance.  So get yourself into the tournament as much as possible.  For the BIG10 that means what, top 7 or 8.  It's bonus if you're competing top 3 for the championship every few years.  But you have to get to the tourney.  Once you're in the tourney, you'll win some, you'll lose some.  Win 2 games and you're in the sweet 16.  1 more and you're "elite."  From there anything can happen.  You do it enough times with a level of consistency, the odds are in your favor to make the final 4 and beyond.  If you're not stumbling, bumbling, idiot as a coach you can get this done.  Heck, even Tom Crean was doing it -- just couldn't get over that hump.   :) 

Crean was a victim of the “high expectations,” Woody and Co. haven’t done enough to use that excuse. Making that excuse would imply you’re doing well enough that people should be less rabid. Crean getting canned a year after winning the B1G outright is an example of our program and fans believing Sweet Sixteens isn’t good enough.

Trying to slough off the fans while getting dog walked is pathetic. 

[Napleshoosier]

You don’t get paid the big $ for BS performance period!  So screw that high expectations nonsense and do ur job or get the F out!

[Silat Player]

32 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Half the board might be named that

Only half? That would be really disappointing...

[AZ Hoosier]

5 minutes ago, VFury said:

Can't watch now, who did they say?

Ben McCollum (Drake)

Brad Brownell (Clemson)

Jarrod Calhoun (Utah State)

Chris Jans (Mississippi State)

MEH.

[IndianaSconnie90]

7 minutes ago, VFury said:

Can't watch now, who did they say?

That is an angry Peter Griffin 

[bodsbums]

PTI just led off the show with Woodson. Mike Wilbon had a terrible take as expected. 

[Home Jersey]

11 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

I’ve already answered that, but yes time to move.

So whatcha gonna do with all those “receipts” you’ve been saving from around here :) 

[monskisprodigy]

1 minute ago, bodsbums said:

PTI just led off the show with Woodson. Mike Wilbon had a terrible take as expected. 

What was the take?

[bodsbums]

6 minutes ago, monskisprodigy said:

What was the take?

We shouldn’t fire Woodson. We are in danger of becoming Nebraska football.  Kornheiser wasn’t on board with his take. Said 35-32 in the B1G isn’t good enough and Tony is right. 
 

Sadly, I think we already are Nebraska football. 
 

 

[JSHoosier]

1 hour ago, hoosierbannerd said:

Agreed and I'm not trying to dog Woody but it would explain why he doesn't know player names, looks like "he's lost" on the sideline, can't make comments in pressers beyond the repeated cliches, etc. and perhaps QB knows and gives his buddy a final gift of this position??

If that was the case a pressure cooker job like IU would be less than ideal for him. And Buckner didn't do any favors for his friend or the program.

[TheWatShot]

10 minutes ago, bodsbums said:

PTI just led off the show with Woodson. Mike Wilbon had a terrible take as expected. 

I'm not surprised a Northwestern grad would want Woodson to remain the coach here, considering Woodson has yet to beat them. 

[Hoosier DaDa]

https://www.wdrb.com/sports/bozich-how-long-can-indiana-basketball-avoid-its-coaching-problem/article_9185b7f2-d36a-11ef-b56c-1be3abf78565.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawH1Gk5leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHZ8Sxxn7xUhR9xJOnOudPqS4sDjFJHI-NNuiEKA-bkxJqP9m7pj27V_usQ_aem_iysC6EzQCIjmHjiVRnZVlg 

 

BOZICH | How long can Indiana basketball avoid its coaching problem?

[TTT]

These guys don’t care.  It’s all about being in a club of status, money perks, benefits, financial stability/security and happiness.   Vacations, big homes, cars, wine, cigars, family, close friends, entertainment, going out to eat, parties, and the good life now and during retirement.

Distance afar is a winning cultural celebrated with integrity.  Truthfully that is what it is.

[JSHoosier]

51 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Probably would not be ay worse if he spent 1 million.

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We got dog walked multiple times, and destroyed at home, this year with 6m in NIL. Imagine assembling a roster with 1/6th of that, with Mike Woodson coaching... I'm confident it would in fact be worse.

[Kentuckysucks]

31 minutes ago, IndianaSconnie90 said:

I've been wholeheartedly unimpressed with your thoughts regarding Woodson. In fact, if those that you know within the administration share your thought process then I see where the problem is. 

First off, firing Woodson mid season, at this point, is anything but an "emotional/knee jerk reaction" as you put it. We're so beyond a "knee jerk" reaction from a time standpoint alone that it's humorous you even offered that up. We've seen 4 years of the same garbage/inability to coach at this level from this guy on top of the fact that he was wildly unqualified to hold a collegiate coaching position to begin with. His grandpa aura is a major turnoff for alot of recruits and his arrogance is the "turd in the punch bowl" for the fans witnessing his coaching shortcomings. 

Secondly, you labor under the misconception that fans want him gone because we think an interim will bring better results on the court. That couldn't be further from the truth. Nobody on that staff could be trusted to lift this roster into a winner, however, nobody on that staff has developed into the wart on this fanbase's @$$ like Woodson. Maybe Hill but that's only by association and the fact that he appears to be sleeping through this misery. This fanbase could take damn near anybody else's face at those press conferences and would be perfectly fine with a washed season at this point. Nobody is asking for CC or Hulls or Walsh to take over because they expect better results. They'll take anybody as long as it isn't Woodson just to get him off that sideline.

Finally, I don't care what the process "is". The process needs to think about changing and changing quickly. The optics are far worse if they keep him for the season and this dumpsterfire continues. If those in the administration are using terms/phrases like "knee jerk", "emotional reaction", or "it's not going to gain us immediately better results", then they need to grow a pair or leave. 

They’re too stupid to understand.  They admit that the process hasn’t worked for 25 years but also state that they must stick with the process.  It is mind boggling.