They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Hoosierfanyuh]

27 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

It's not

Women’s team did it

[go iu bb]

Woodson or an assistant should have talked to Ray Looze (swim coach) on how to effectively use NIL and the portal. For this year they've added an Olympic Gold medalist, a World Champion, and 2 NCAA runners up. Then today they added an Olympic bronze medalist for the 2nd semester. That's how you do transfers.

They also have a legit chance to win the championship this year.

Too late now for Woodson. He got his chance and blew it.

[AH1971]

2 minutes ago, Hoosierfanyuh said:

Women’s team did it

Cool. It's certainly not commonplace. 

[WeeDerkaNaut]

3 hours ago, Banksyrules said:

Sad part is that I know I could do better than Woodson. Why? Because I’m totally cool with being wrong and adjusting on the fly. I would also hire people smarter than me to run the defensive and offensive plays and humble enough to give them all the credit.  Of course I know there are others better than me , but I wouldn’t be a complete joke to the program. 

Absolutely you would. Those things alone would make you infinitely better. I would do the exact same as you. A little humility and passion goes a very long way!

[AZ Hoosier]

15 hours ago, WeeDerkaNaut said:

Absolutely you would. Those things alone would make you infinitely better. I would do the exact same as you. A little humility and passion goes a very long way!

To Woodson, humility is weakness. Bluster and hubris rule the day.

[Hornsby]

He's done well against bad teams in AH. Anyone with a pulse and it could get ugly.

He has no good wins this year..

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[OKHOOSIER]

2 hours ago, AH1971 said:

Cool. It's certainly not commonplace. 

Using who you play and where is 100% commonplace in recruiting. Playing a G5 or low major on the road at their place is not. There is a distinction. Both things can be true. 

[IUCrazy2]

8 hours ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

It's not going to change "that" much to back up, "Mike Davis was the best and it wasn't close". like cmon lol 

So that turd smelled better? No it didn't. 

Woodson didn't have the benefit of getting BK's players. 

kentsterling.com/2014/11/18/indiana-basketball-why-a-different-set-of-criteria-for-mike-davis-than-tom-crean/

So a few things and then I will drop it from my end because we are arguing over which was the prettier pig.  Davis had an average 9 to 10 strength of schedule and made the tournament 4 out of 6 years and the NIT one more.  That was done in a period where he wouldn't get the benefit of an opportunity at a "play in" game like Woodson got his first year.  We have talked about not having the ability to match what the biggest programs were spending (like Woodson has) and that does impact your players.  Yeah he had Knight's guys but in year 2 when he made it to the title game his best player was coached by Knight for like a summer.  Same with the kid who came up with the key block in the Duke game.  Woodson isn't sniffing that with or without a few good coached players.  

Woodson is hopefully gone after this year but I bet two things:  1.  His SOS doesn't compare to Davis and 2. That if he had 6 years his declining returns on the court would make it more difficult to recruit and he would be much closer to that .593 record.

Nonw of them were great.  None of them would be benchmarks for who we want here in the future but Davis was better than Woodson.

[str8baller]

8 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

kentsterling.com/2014/11/18/indiana-basketball-why-a-different-set-of-criteria-for-mike-davis-than-tom-crean/

So a few things and then I will drop it from my end because we are arguing over which was the prettier pig.  Davis had an average 9 to 10 strength of schedule and made the tournament 4 out of 6 years and the NIT one more.  That was done in a period where he wouldn't get the benefit of an opportunity at a "play in" game like Woodson got his first year.  We have talked about not having the ability to match what the biggest programs were spending (like Woodson has) and that does impact your players.  Yeah he had Knight's guys but in year 2 when he made it to the title game his best player was coached by Knight for like a summer.  Same with the kid who came up with the key block in the Duke game.  Woodson isn't sniffing that with or without a few good coached players.  

Woodson is hopefully gone after this year but I bet two things:  1.  His SOS doesn't compare to Davis and 2. That if he had 6 years his declining returns on the court would make it more difficult to recruit and he would be much closer to that .593 record.

Nonw of them were great.  None of them would be benchmarks for who we want here in the future but Davis was better than Woodson.

Just because this discussion is kind of fun…in a perverse sort of way…

 

Davis also took over the best program of any of them.  We were still considered elite and one of five blue bloods. Jeffries wasn’t coached by knight but definitely was recruited by him—the same with the rest of that loaded roster Davis inherited. He was by far left the best roster of all our post knight coaches which he promptly ran dry with his Woodson-esque local recruiting. 
 

Which brings me to one name that hasn’t been brought up yet: Eric Gordon. He desperately wanted to play at IU but it was a complete no go with Davis. Oden, Conley, Gordon, Harangody, older Zeller, and about a half dozen more was a good era for in state recruiting. I think you could’ve never left the state and built one, maybe two, championship teams in that era. Davis wasn’t really a factor for any of them.  
 

At the time I honestly thought if Davis left, we’d go back to championships. I can’t even believe I’ve survived 25 yrs of this crap. :/ 

[IUCrazy2]

34 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Just because this discussion is kind of fun…in a perverse sort of way…

 

Davis also took over the best program of any of them.  We were still considered elite and one of five blue bloods. Jeffries wasn’t coached by knight but definitely was recruited by him—the same with the rest of that loaded roster Davis inherited. He was by far left the best roster of all our post knight coaches which he promptly ran dry with his Woodson-esque local recruiting. 
 

Which brings me to one name that hasn’t been brought up yet: Eric Gordon. He desperately wanted to play at IU but it was a complete no go with Davis. Oden, Conley, Gordon, Harangody, older Zeller, and about a half dozen more was a good era for in state recruiting. I think you could’ve never left the state and built one, maybe two, championship teams in that era. Davis wasn’t really a factor for any of them.  
 

At the time I honestly thought if Davis left, we’d go back to championships. I can’t even believe I’ve survived 25 yrs of this crap. :/ 

He for sure had his issues.  They all did/do.  That is why they aren't here anymore.  I still think that Woodson would underperform him if they switched places.  I mean, Davis's first job was Indiana, this is Woodson's last stop.  You expect a rookie to have growing pains, not a guy 30 years into his career....

Hopefully we finally get the next one right.

[Hoosierfanyuh]

3 hours ago, AH1971 said:

Cool. It's certainly not commonplace. 

Neither is defending a coach that has the results woody has but here you are 

[go iu bb]

12 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

He for sure had his issues.  They all did/do.  That is why they aren't here anymore.  I still think that Woodson would underperform him if they switched places.  I mean, Davis's first job was Indiana, this is Woodson's last stop.  You expect a rookie to have growing pains, not a guy 30 years into his career....

Hopefully we finally get the next one right.

Woodson's style might have actually worked in the early aughts. Of course, at that time he would probably be using systems from the 70s.

[JF87]

Has Woodson been fired yet?  I know, it's too soon in the season.  There's a lot of games left and with our talent there's always a chance we could turn it around.  The sad thing is I'm becoming apathetic about IU basketball.  I used to adjust my schedule around IU basketball games.  Not anymore.  I'll watch the games, but it's no longer a passion.  The fact that I can see that we underperformed with our rosters during Woodson's tenure, but those in charge can't is disheartening.  Woodson and our resources have been able to bring in really good talent during his time at IU.  Unfortunately, Woodson has done very little with it.  I really like our current roster individually. Rice, Galloway, Reneau, Mgbako, Ballo, Goode, Carlyle, Tucker and Leal are a solid group of nine.  However, as a team they are like puzzle pieces that don't fit together.   I have zero faith that Woodson will figure it out and maximize our talent. I need a coaching change to reignite my passion for IU basketball. 

[Hornsby]

Just because this discussion is kind of fun…in a perverse sort of way…
 
Davis also took over the best program of any of them.  We were still considered elite and one of five blue bloods. Jeffries wasn’t coached by knight but definitely was recruited by him—the same with the rest of that loaded roster Davis inherited. He was by far left the best roster of all our post knight coaches which he promptly ran dry with his Woodson-esque local recruiting. 
 
Which brings me to one name that hasn’t been brought up yet: Eric Gordon. He desperately wanted to play at IU but it was a complete no go with Davis. Oden, Conley, Gordon, Harangody, older Zeller, and about a half dozen more was a good era for in state recruiting. I think you could’ve never left the state and built one, maybe two, championship teams in that era. Davis wasn’t really a factor for any of them.  
 
At the time I honestly thought if Davis left, we’d go back to championships. I can’t even believe I’ve survived 25 yrs of this crap. :/ 

Did anyone honestly believe we were headed back to titles when we hired archie and Woodson? I certainly did not. I didn't like the archie hire and I hated the Woodson hire. Most national media laughed at the Woodson hire that's how crazy it was.

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[TTT]

Does anyone know if the basketball coach gets fired after IU scores a touchdown tomorrow night?

[KNOBYDOX]

Only the winning touchdown 

 

[Five Prime]

Remember when we all thought we were getting Brad Stevens, like legitimately thought there was a deal being drawn up?  Then he called himself a Masshole and we ended up with Mike Woodson.  The rest of the country had to be laughing.  But then we actually talked ourselves into thinking it may work because he had Dane Fife and Thad Matta to help.  Holy ****, typing that out is depressingly hilarious. 

[iu eyedoc]

55 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Did anyone honestly believe we were headed back to titles when we hired archie and Woodson? I certainly did not. I didn't like the archie hire and I hated the Woodson hire. Most national media laughed at the Woodson hire that's how crazy it was.

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I, and I think most, expected Woodson and his NBA cred would allow him to lock down the state talent and bring in high level national recruits and that he would lean on the experienced staff he was given to learn the college game and return IU to being a perennial B1G contender and  tourney second weekend team. Then he would take a bow and pass the team on to continue it's rise back to prominence

 

I don't think anyone could have predicted the hubris, laziness,pettiness and contempt.

[bird4par]

1 hour ago, str8baller said:

Just because this discussion is kind of fun…in a perverse sort of way…

 

Davis also took over the best program of any of them.  We were still considered elite and one of five blue bloods. Jeffries wasn’t coached by knight but definitely was recruited by him—the same with the rest of that loaded roster Davis inherited. He was by far left the best roster of all our post knight coaches which he promptly ran dry with his Woodson-esque local recruiting. 
 

Which brings me to one name that hasn’t been brought up yet: Eric Gordon. He desperately wanted to play at IU but it was a complete no go with Davis. Oden, Conley, Gordon, Harangody, older Zeller, and about a half dozen more was a good era for in state recruiting. I think you could’ve never left the state and built one, maybe two, championship teams in that era. Davis wasn’t really a factor for any of them.  
 

At the time I honestly thought if Davis left, we’d go back to championships. I can’t even believe I’ve survived 25 yrs of this crap. :/ 

Are you a Dane Fife fan?  Remember the rumbling that if Mike Davis was not retained, he would transfer. 

[JF87]

8 minutes ago, Five Prime said:

Remember when we all thought we were getting Brad Stevens, like legitimately thought there was a deal being drawn up?  Then he called himself a Masshole and we ended up with Mike Woodson.  The rest of the country had to be laughing.  But then we actually talked ourselves into thinking it may work because he had Dane Fife and Thad Matta to help.  Holy ****, typing that out is depressingly hilarious.