They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Hovadipo]

15 minutes ago, cleeter said:

Rabby said “It’s not about record in the final few games, and in this specific instance, regularly scheduled meetings may be getting overblown”

Regularly scheduled meetings? What are the chances this meeting was scheduled the day after not driving under a hour and half to recruit and right after a BoT meeting. Second question, anyone with knowledge, would an AD and head coach have regular scheduled meetings?


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Will third the other two replies to your post. AD and HC definitely meet and it can be as often as weekly depending on the relationship. No amount of scheduled meetings between Dolson and Woody would surprise me considering their relationship and Dolson’s visibility around the program. 

[cleeter]

Thank you for the answers. Now to double down on that, since this type of meeting happens regularly it seems, why should it even move the needle or pique our interest at all.

 

 

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[AZ Hoosier]

26 minutes ago, theriverpilot said:

More like promoted to the level of incompetence vs risen. “Risen” would imply it was earned and that’s not the case here IMO

That's what the Peter Principle is all about... 

The concept of the Peter Principle is that one has done a good job at one level and gets promoted ("earned" the promotion by performing at an exceptional level) and that process repeats until one has "earned" a promotion to a level one step above where their skillset allows them to excel.

[realTomCrean]

2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Came home had a couple beers, gummy, fixed some BLT’s and just enjoying the family. Getting ready for the weekend. 

Have a night Chris! 

[spe317]

My unsolicited 2 cents on Trilly’s board—I love the insight. But it’s quickly devolving into Peegs with a free for all and people spamming Trilly to post an update that doesn’t exist or is literally 2 messages up. 

[cleeter]

My unsolicited 2 cents on Trilly’s board—I love the insight. But it’s quickly devolving into Peegs with a free for all and people spamming Trilly to post an update that doesn’t exist or is literally 2 messages up. 

Peegs has defintley started infiltrating it. Asking Trilly for an update every 30 seconds is annoying. But seems like then”good” Peegs posters came over. The negativity hasn’t fully shown up…yet


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[spe317]

3 minutes ago, cleeter said:

Peegs has defintley started infiltrating it. Asking Trilly for an update every 30 seconds is annoying. But seems like then”good” Peegs posters came over. The negativity hasn’t fully shown up…yet


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Then heaven help us. And CMW. 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Back to coaching stuff, sorry for distracting thread.
 
The thing that confuses with the coach situation is that multiple people (Rabjohns, Trilly, etc.) have said Pearl would be interested in the IU job. So it shouldn’t be a conversation, just go get the guy because it creates a better winning environment and he is a coach that would win a lot at IU

I will still be a Hoosier fan, but, as I said before, I am a hard no on BP. He conned Thomas into saying Illinois was giving him a car much the same way some cops will lead a suspect with facts no one knows about a crime just to get a confession. Both are dirty

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[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, cleeter said:

Rabby said “It’s not about record in the final few games, and in this specific instance, regularly scheduled meetings may be getting overblown”

Regularly scheduled meetings? What are the chances this meeting was scheduled the day after not driving under a hour and half to recruit and right after a BoT meeting. Second question, anyone with knowledge, would an AD and head coach have regular scheduled meetings?


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If they are regularly scheduled meetings, the chances that this was already on the docket is pretty good.  I have no idea if there regularly scheduled meetings but don’t see any reason for Rabby to lie about it.

[tyappleg]

8 minutes ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

I will still be a Hoosier fan, but, as I said before, I am a hard no on BP. He conned Thomas into saying Illinois was giving him a car much the same way some cops will lead a suspect with facts no one knows about a crime just to get a confession. Both are dirty

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It's been 3 decades since this.  It might be time to move past this particular infraction. 

[RaceToTheTop]

9 minutes ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

I will still be a Hoosier fan, but, as I said before, I am a hard no on BP. He conned Thomas into saying Illinois was giving him a car much the same way some cops will lead a suspect with facts no one knows about a crime just to get a confession. Both are dirty

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That was 35 years ago.  Gotta move on from that at some point.

[RaceToTheTop]

2 minutes ago, tyappleg said:

It's been 3 decades since this.  It might be time to move past this particular infraction. 

Jinx.  :)

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

That was 35 years ago.  Gotta move on from that at some point.

Once dirty, always dirty

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[JSHoosier]

7 hours ago, coonhounds said:

Here is my version of the Woodson hire and what exactly went wrong. When we first heard of the possible hire me and alot thought it was crazy because he had zero college experience. They through Matta as advisor and fife on staff and we were thinking this may work. Juan howard at the time looked good at michigan. We started to believe Woodson could be that guy who could be cool and get superstars. We retained the superstars we had and we were rolling. We then got some more stars the next season to go along with tjd. Things looked bright. Exit Matta and fife. Nothing to majorly significant happened bad till we started big ten and lost a few. I thought we were terrible but Woodson did turn it around enough where he definitely deserved year 3 but his overall performance wasn't great. This season he reloaded with some decent inside talent but failed to put any shooting or decent guard play on the roster. His demise come down to sticking with x who hurt his ability to recruit a good guard but most damaging is the obvious lack of coaching skills by him and his staff. Bottom line. My belief is a decent coach and staff could have made the tournament and been competitive. Reasons we are not is poor coaching by the entire staff. Not just Woodson but a entire failure by all. My opinion

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Howard played a lot more recently than Woodson, he retired in 2013 so recruits were alive when he played. Woodson retired before Howard was even drafted.

Probably not as much cool factor when the former NBA guy was a journeyman that retired before these recruits were born.

[Feathery]

2 hours ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

Once dirty, always dirty

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I feel sorry for you if that’s how you view people. People change, learn, and grow over time. Things don’t stay linear.  

[Hoosier DaDa]

10 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

He was 63 years old and hadn’t coached a day of college basketball in his life. He hasn’t been a head coach for 7 years, and hadn’t been a coach at all for two of the three preceding years. When he was a head coach, he was mediocre at best. Won 46% of his games and 39% of his playoff games.

’Deserve’ might be subjective, but he 100% never would’ve gotten the job if he hadn’t played at IU. No other team in the nba or in college was going to give him a job. 

It’s absolutely crazy that he would even have a buyout. I get why there are buyouts but no one was going to try poach Woody. If I was a big donor that was a part of getting rid of Archie and ended up with Woody, I would be pressing charges and file a civil suit against the university. 

[Henryville Hoosier]

 

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3 hours ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

Once dirty, always dirty

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What was once dirty in college basketball is no longer dirty.

[IUFAN1976]

33 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

What was once dirty in college basketball is no longer dirty.

Exactly!  It’s almost anything goes now, lol!

[IUFAN1976]

1 hour ago, Henryville Hoosier said:

 

If that is true, that is pretty bad. Definitely makes a bad impression on our program if that happened.