Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[OKHOOSIER 1,910]

2 minutes ago, mdiu28 said:

This infuriates me. 

Why, just why, can't we have an administration with some damn balls? Mike Woodson never deserved this job. I don't care what Archie Miller was given or what the optics are if we fire him now. Archie at least coached in the college arena with some success. All the coaches we could get are going to go elsewhere leaving IU even further behind. All in the name of optics. I'd argue the optics are worse if we keep Mike Woodson. Why can the admin not see this? If the inbreds in Lexington can figure it out, we can too.

If that actually happens, it will be a great example of what serious basketball school looks like. Assuming there is not some sort of negotiation and they straight up fire him, that would be the second largest NCAA coaching buyout in college football history. It is a staggering amount to move on from a basketball coach, much less one with his history at the school. And you can bet the farm they would throw some HUGE contracts at the usual suspects. Like nine figures-- and I don't care what anyone says about "not coaching" anymore or staying put, you start putting Alabama football HC numbers around, people are going to listen. Kentucky opening after the success Cal has had would be an absolute market resetting nightmare. 

[pumpfake 3,928]

3 minutes ago, mdiu28 said:

I never wanted to admit we aren't a serious program to myself but there's no other conclusion.

Get ready for more losses to Penn State and freaking Nebraska

Just look at the contrast in the school coomercials shown on B10 broadcasts.  The other schools show laboratories, while we show fat kids wandering around the campus.

[Hoosierfan2017 20,464]

2 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

Seen Kentucky fans arguing on Twitter about keeping Calipari or not. Some say anybody can win at Kentucky. Others point out Gillespie couldn't and reference the fact from 99-until 2011 they didn't make a final four....

A 12 year stretch? Practically double that and I wonder how they'd be feeling. I'm resigned to the fact he's getting another year but man the unserious nature of our program is deflating when you're watching March Madness without the Hoosiers mens team. Love rooting for our ladies though.

Since he's here I'm hoping we "hit a grand slam" (eye roll) in the portal and they surprise me next year. That said, fire / retire Mike Woodson. Good grief.

The sad thing (for us) is that after 1999 and before 2011, they made 10 of 11 tournaments, won 5 conference championships, 4 conference tournaments, made 5 sweet 16s, and 3 elite 8s.

Imagine what they’d do after the last 12 years we’ve had if they view their 2000-2010 as a bad period. 

[Kentuckysucks 2,195]

8 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

If that actually happens, it will be a great example of what serious basketball school looks like. Assuming there is not some sort of negotiation and they straight up fire him, that would be the second largest NCAA coaching buyout in college football history. It is a staggering amount to move on from a basketball coach, much less one with his history at the school. And you can bet the farm they would throw some HUGE contracts at the usual suspects. Like nine figures-- and I don't care what anyone says about "not coaching" anymore or staying put, you start putting Alabama football HC numbers around, people are going to listen. Kentucky opening after the success Cal has had would be an absolute market resetting nightmare. 

I don't think they'll fire him unless they can get an Oats or a Drew which appears unlikely.  But they're considering it which says a lot with a $35M buyout.

[cleeter 2,098]

Just look at the contrast in the school coomercials shown on B10 broadcasts.  The other schools show laboratories, while we show fat kids wandering around the campus.

Winning > “holier than thou”
Business > Friendship/Relationships

Can you guess what school we are?


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[AZ Hoosier 6,343]

I don’t think they are working hard to trash the program. In fact, had Woodson hit with DQ, LM and Boogie I think the board sentiment would be much different. But he did not hit. I think it just shows that the vision/expectations he had for recruiting missed in a big way and will probably sink him. But to suggest he is trying to sink it seems to be a stretch. 

If wishes and buts were candy and nuts, we’d all have a merry Christmas. Fland was always going to Kentucky. Queen was always going to Maryland. We had Liam until he saw what a train wreck Woodson’s team is, and he bailed.

Woodson may not be actively trying to tank the program, but he’s clearly too lazy and too full of himself to to anything else. And Buckner is standing guard over his boy protecting his “legacy”.

[IUCrazy2 2,277]

1 hour ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Must be nice to have an administration that wants to win and is supportive of its AD.

 

 

In their case, they should be careful what they wish for.  There is no sure thing out there anymore.  I don't see a dominant mid aged coach out there right now and the whole portal thing has made it much easier for the other bigger schools to correct issues.

I hope they move on from Calipari because they are just as likely to end up in a churn and burn period like we have been as they are to pick someone that is making a Final Four run every few years.

[steubenhoosier 625]

59 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

 But didn’t he recruit pretty well at Vandy?  I know he got one we were after and I thought he had a couple more in that class. 

Looked at the rosters for his 3 Vanderbilt teams and the only name I recognize is Darius Garland 

[HoosierMoore 296]

39 minutes ago, pumpfake said:

Just look at the contrast in the school coomercials shown on B10 broadcasts.  The other schools show laboratories, while we show fat kids wandering around the campus.

Is is me or does that dude have a very punchable face.  Sorry, just find the kid to be extremely annoying. 

Edited March 23 by HoosierMoore

[str8baller 4,937]

24 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

In their case, they should be careful what they wish for.  There is no sure thing out there anymore.  I don't see a dominant mid aged coach out there right now and the whole portal thing has made it much easier for the other bigger schools to correct issues.

I hope they move on from Calipari because they are just as likely to end up in a churn and burn period like we have been as they are to pick someone that is making a Final Four run every few years.

No they’re are not. 
 

There are no sure things. And there never was. Bob Knight wasn’t.  Pitino wasn’t. Tubby wasn’t. Gillispie wasn’t. Cal was probably as close as it gets and now he’s down.  
 

But they are typically pretty quick to recognize when it’s going south and pull the trigger. They also do a decent job getting quality candidates. That’s what most big time programs do and all you can ask for. They won’t go 25 years of mediocrity because it’s nearly impossible for any competent major program to do so. And they have proven themselves competent. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,520]

30 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

In their case, they should be careful what they wish for.  There is no sure thing out there anymore.  I don't see a dominant mid aged coach out there right now and the whole portal thing has made it much easier for the other bigger schools to correct issues.

I hope they move on from Calipari because they are just as likely to end up in a churn and burn period like we have been as they are to pick someone that is making a Final Four run every few years.

They'd be insanely stupid to move on unless they have Beard, Lloyd or Wright coming out of retirement.

[Uspshoosier 44,744]

21 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

Looked at the rosters for his 3 Vanderbilt teams and the only name I recognize is Darius Garland 

Shitu was a McDonalds all American as well and Neismith plays for the Pacers.  Even with Garland getting hurt they should have at least won a game in the SEC but went 0-18.    They had Drew micd up for a inside the huddle and it was possibly one of the worst I’ve ever listened to 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 83,164]

After the kid from Oakland hit 10-20 3's and they beat pUKe it made we wonder about how the tournament teams fared during the season on 3-point shooting.  We didn't have a roster of solid 3-point shooters but we also didn't run an offense designed to get open looks for 3-point shooters, i.e, our archaic "inside out" offense.  I compiled the 3-point shooting statistics for the 64 tournament teams.  Couple of teams played 1 or 2 more games than others but I don't think the overall data would be markedly different had I made allowances for exact number of games played.

First table is teams sorted by % made.  Second table # of 3's made.  Third table # of 3's attempted.  For each table, our data appears at the top.

		IU	166	513	32%
			Season 3PM	Season 3PA	%
1	L	Kentucky	318	772	41%
2	W	PUke	275	674	41%
3	W	Dayton	295	734	40%
4	W	Northwestern	266	675	39%
5	W	Colorado	234	594	39%
6	L	Samford	335	852	39%
7	L	McNeese	252	649	39%
8	W	Baylor	279	719	39%
9	W	Duke	267	708	38%
10	W	Arizona	258	695	37%
11	L	Stetson	310	837	37%
12	L	Drake	295	804	37%
13	W	UConn	299	815	37%
14	W	Alabama	354	969	37%
15	L	Nevada	220	603	36%
16	L	Texas Tech	282	773	36%
17	W	James Madison	298	817	36%
18	L	So. Dakota St	290	799	36%
19	W	Texas	237	654	36%
20	L	Colgate	267	739	36%
21	W	Creighton	339	939	36%
22	W	Michigan St.	211	587	36%
23	W	Marquette	301	840	36%
24	L	Morehead St.	316	882	36%
25	L	Nebraska	312	871	36%
26	L	FAU	279	783	36%
27	L	TCU	217	610	36%
28	L	St. Mary's	251	708	35%
29	W	North Carolina	270	763	35%
30	W	Gonzaga	219	619	35%
31	W	Clemson	267	755	35%
32	L	Auburn	273	775	35%
33	W	Oakland	291	829	35%
34	W	Illinois	283	809	35%
35	W	Iowa St.	222	637	35%
36	L	BYU	370	1063	35%
37	L	Wisconsin	248	713	35%
38	W	Yale	225	648	35%
39	W	Houston	262	756	35%
40	W	NC State	254	733	35%
41	L	Charleston	358	1039	34%
42	W	Grand Canyon	238	691	34%
43	L	Vermont	295	858	34%
44	L	Longwood	198	577	34%
45	W	Tennessee	279	816	34%
46	L	Florida	269	787	34%
47	L	Colorado St.	253	743	34%
48	L	Western KY	225	662	34%
49	W	Washington St.	211	621	34%
50	W	Duquesne	267	786	34%
51	L	Grambling	178	525	34%
52	W	Oregon	249	741	34%
53	L	So. Carolina	263	785	34%
54	L	New Mexico	225	674	33%
55	W	Utah St	209	632	33%
56	W	Kansas	180	547	33%
57	L	Akron	274	835	33%
58	L	UAB	208	638	33%
59	L	Miss. St.	245	754	32%
60	L	Wagner	223	692	32%
61	L	St. Peter's	188	586	32%
62	W	San Diego St	236	755	31%
63	L	Long Beach St	191	620	31%
64	W	Texas A&M	234	823	28%

[Class of '66 Old Fart 83,164]

		IU	166
			Season 3PM	Season 3PA	%
1	L	BYU	370	1063	35%
2	L	Charleston	358	1039	34%
3	W	Alabama	354	969	37%
4	W	Creighton	339	939	36%
5	L	Samford	335	852	39%
6	L	Kentucky	318	772	41%
7	L	Morehead St.	316	882	36%
8	L	Nebraska	312	871	36%
9	L	Stetson	310	837	37%
10	W	Marquette	301	840	36%
11	W	UConn	299	815	37%
12	W	James Madison	298	817	36%
13	W	Dayton	295	734	40%
14	L	Drake	295	804	37%
15	L	Vermont	295	858	34%
16	W	Oakland	291	829	35%
17	L	So. Dakota St	290	799	36%
18	W	Illinois	283	809	35%
19	L	Texas Tech	282	773	36%
20	W	Baylor	279	719	39%
21	L	FAU	279	783	36%
22	W	Tennessee	279	816	34%
23	W	PUke	275	674	41%
24	L	Akron	274	835	33%
25	L	Auburn	273	775	35%
26	W	North Carolina	270	763	35%
27	L	Florida	269	787	34%
28	W	Duke	267	708	38%
29	L	Colgate	267	739	36%
30	W	Clemson	267	755	35%
31	W	Duquesne	267	786	34%
32	W	Northwestern	266	675	39%
33	L	So. Carolina	263	785	34%
34	W	Houston	262	756	35%
35	W	Arizona	258	695	37%
36	W	NC State	254	733	35%
37	L	Colorado St.	253	743	34%
38	L	McNeese	252	649	39%
39	L	St. Mary's	251	708	35%
40	W	Oregon	249	741	34%
41	L	Wisconsin	248	713	35%
42	L	Miss. St.	245	754	32%
43	W	Grand Canyon	238	691	34%
44	W	Texas	237	654	36%
45	W	San Diego St	236	755	31%
46	W	Colorado	234	594	39%
47	W	Texas A&M	234	823	28%
48	W	Yale	225	648	35%
49	L	Western KY	225	662	34%
50	L	New Mexico	225	674	33%
51	L	Wagner	223	692	32%
52	W	Iowa St.	222	637	35%
53	L	Nevada	220	603	36%
54	W	Gonzaga	219	619	35%
55	L	TCU	217	610	36%
56	W	Michigan St.	211	587	36%
57	W	Washington St.	211	621	34%
58	W	Utah St	209	632	33%
59	L	UAB	208	638	33%
60	L	Longwood	198	577	34%
61	L	Long Beach St	191	620	31%
62	L	St. Peter's	188	586	32%
63	W	Kansas	180	547	33%
64	L	Grambling	178	525	34%

[Class of '66 Old Fart 83,164]

		IU		513
			Season 3PM	Season 3PA	%
1	L	BYU	370	1063	35%
2	L	Charleston	358	1039	34%
3	W	Alabama	354	969	37%
4	W	Creighton	339	939	36%
5	L	Morehead St.	316	882	36%
6	L	Nebraska	312	871	36%
7	L	Vermont	295	858	34%
8	L	Samford	335	852	39%
9	W	Marquette	301	840	36%
10	L	Stetson	310	837	37%
11	L	Akron	274	835	33%
12	W	Oakland	291	829	35%
13	W	Texas A&M	234	823	28%
14	W	James Madison	298	817	36%
15	W	Tennessee	279	816	34%
16	W	UConn	299	815	37%
17	W	Illinois	283	809	35%
18	L	Drake	295	804	37%
19	L	So. Dakota St	290	799	36%
20	L	Florida	269	787	34%
21	W	Duquesne	267	786	34%
22	L	So. Carolina	263	785	34%
23	L	FAU	279	783	36%
24	L	Auburn	273	775	35%
25	L	Texas Tech	282	773	36%
26	L	Kentucky	318	772	41%
27	W	North Carolina	270	763	35%
28	W	Houston	262	756	35%
29	W	Clemson	267	755	35%
30	W	San Diego St	236	755	31%
31	L	Miss. St.	245	754	32%
32	L	Colorado St.	253	743	34%
33	W	Oregon	249	741	34%
34	L	Colgate	267	739	36%
35	W	Dayton	295	734	40%
36	W	NC State	254	733	35%
37	W	Baylor	279	719	39%
38	L	Wisconsin	248	713	35%
39	W	Duke	267	708	38%
40	L	St. Mary's	251	708	35%
41	W	Arizona	258	695	37%
42	L	Wagner	223	692	32%
43	W	Grand Canyon	238	691	34%
44	W	Northwestern	266	675	39%
45	W	PUke	275	674	41%
46	L	New Mexico	225	674	33%
47	L	Western KY	225	662	34%
48	W	Texas	237	654	36%
49	L	McNeese	252	649	39%
50	W	Yale	225	648	35%
51	L	UAB	208	638	33%
52	W	Iowa St.	222	637	35%
53	W	Utah St	209	632	33%
54	W	Washington St.	211	621	34%
55	L	Long Beach St	191	620	31%
56	W	Gonzaga	219	619	35%
57	L	TCU	217	610	36%
58	L	Nevada	220	603	36%
59	W	Colorado	234	594	39%
60	W	Michigan St.	211	587	36%
61	L	St. Peter's	188	586	32%
62	L	Longwood	198	577	34%
63	W	Kansas	180	547	33%
64	L	Grambling	178	525	34%

[OKHOOSIER 1,910]

12 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

After the kid from Oakland hit 10-20 3's and they beat pUKe it made we wonder about how the tournament teams fared during the season on 3-point shooting.  We didn't have a roster of solid 3-point shooters but we also didn't run an offense designed to get open looks for 3-point shooters, i.e, our archaic "inside out" offense.  I compiled the 3-point shooting statistics for the 64 tournament teams.  Couple of teams played 1 or 2 more games than others but I don't think the overall data would be markedly different had I made allowances for exact number of games played.

First table is teams sorted by % made.  Second table # of 3's made.  Third table # of 3's attempted.  For each table, our data appears at the top.

		IU	166	513	32%
			Season 3PM	Season 3PA	%
1	L	Kentucky	318	772	41%
2	W	PUke	275	674	41%
3	W	Dayton	295	734	40%
4	W	Northwestern	266	675	39%
5	W	Colorado	234	594	39%
6	L	Samford	335	852	39%
7	L	McNeese	252	649	39%
8	W	Baylor	279	719	39%
9	W	Duke	267	708	38%
10	W	Arizona	258	695	37%
11	L	Stetson	310	837	37%
12	L	Drake	295	804	37%
13	W	UConn	299	815	37%
14	W	Alabama	354	969	37%
15	L	Nevada	220	603	36%
16	L	Texas Tech	282	773	36%
17	W	James Madison	298	817	36%
18	L	So. Dakota St	290	799	36%
19	W	Texas	237	654	36%
20	L	Colgate	267	739	36%
21	W	Creighton	339	939	36%
22	W	Michigan St.	211	587	36%
23	W	Marquette	301	840	36%
24	L	Morehead St.	316	882	36%
25	L	Nebraska	312	871	36%
26	L	FAU	279	783	36%
27	L	TCU	217	610	36%
28	L	St. Mary's	251	708	35%
29	W	North Carolina	270	763	35%
30	W	Gonzaga	219	619	35%
31	W	Clemson	267	755	35%
32	L	Auburn	273	775	35%
33	W	Oakland	291	829	35%
34	W	Illinois	283	809	35%
35	W	Iowa St.	222	637	35%
36	L	BYU	370	1063	35%
37	L	Wisconsin	248	713	35%
38	W	Yale	225	648	35%
39	W	Houston	262	756	35%
40	W	NC State	254	733	35%
41	L	Charleston	358	1039	34%
42	W	Grand Canyon	238	691	34%
43	L	Vermont	295	858	34%
44	L	Longwood	198	577	34%
45	W	Tennessee	279	816	34%
46	L	Florida	269	787	34%
47	L	Colorado St.	253	743	34%
48	L	Western KY	225	662	34%
49	W	Washington St.	211	621	34%
50	W	Duquesne	267	786	34%
51	L	Grambling	178	525	34%
52	W	Oregon	249	741	34%
53	L	So. Carolina	263	785	34%
54	L	New Mexico	225	674	33%
55	W	Utah St	209	632	33%
56	W	Kansas	180	547	33%
57	L	Akron	274	835	33%
58	L	UAB	208	638	33%
59	L	Miss. St.	245	754	32%
60	L	Wagner	223	692	32%
61	L	St. Peter's	188	586	32%
62	W	San Diego St	236	755	31%
63	L	Long Beach St	191	620	31%
64	W	Texas A&M	234	823	28%

I am not a smart man, nor am I a "numbers guy." However, based on my rudimentary understanding of mathematics, it would appear we are Grambling State. 

In all seriousness, this is a pretty amazing data set, and to see just how far we are from the UCONNs and Arizona's of the world. You are doing the Lord's work. Feels like you could juxtapose this over guard/wing commitments over the last three years of recruiting and find some trends...

[IUFootballEndlessMisery 653]

It always could be worse for IU. 

We could be IU Indianapolis.  We finished 362nd this season in 3 points made.  We always forget about our own school up in Naptown. 

[str8baller 4,937]

19 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

First table is teams sorted by % made.  Second table # of 3's made.  Third table # of 3's attempted.  For each table, our data appears at the top.

If you go to a site like torvik you can get it as a percentage of a teams shots which is more pace neutral. 

[HinnyHoosier 4,621]

2 hours ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Must be nice to have an administration that wants to win and is supportive of its AD.

 

 

Can we print a massive amount of these screenshots and mail them to various pertinent administration employees repetitively over the course of many weeks? Months? 

"The rivals care. So should you."

[IUCrazy2 2,277]

53 minutes ago, str8baller said:

No they’re are not. 
 

There are no sure things. And there never was. Bob Knight wasn’t.  Pitino wasn’t. Tubby wasn’t. Gillispie wasn’t. Cal was probably as close as it gets and now he’s down.  
 

But they are typically pretty quick to recognize when it’s going south and pull the trigger. They also do a decent job getting quality candidates. That’s what most big time programs do and all you can ask for. They won’t go 25 years of mediocrity because it’s nearly impossible for any competent major program to do so. And they have proven themselves competent. 

Maybe not as bad as us but I think the blue blood days are about over.