Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Hornsby 1,652]

If Woodson will be here next year, it better be with a coach in waiting on the bench.  But who in the world would take that role for a year

No coach in waiting will coach under him because he won't listen to them anyway.

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[Golfman25 5,013]

24 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

But the portal goes all summer so his job would already be safe

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First, he has to secure the current guys.  Don't do that, then no reason to keep you. Bye bye.  IMO, he's going to have a difficult time with number one -- keeping the key guys.   Players aren't stupid.  If they don't see a future for the program, they'll bolt.     

And you're right the second two criteria are time based.  He'll have all summer to get the portal players in -- but we all know most of that happens before the school year lets out.  So sure, he could just give lip service and fk around, but if he does, he's gone -- bye bye -- short of winning the BIG 10 or Final 4 run or something.  

 

 

[hper50 1,186]

Pains me to say it … but it’s tough looking up to the road and seeing Brandon Brantley doing a great job with Purdue’s bigs, Terry Johnson who had 10 years at Butler (most under Stevens)…. and especially PJ Thompson as Director of Player Development & is serving as their “offensive coordinator” for the #1 offense in KenPom.

What does our staff do well?

[Bankshot 528]

31 minutes ago, hper50 said:

Pains me to say it … but it’s tough looking up to the road and seeing Brandon Brantley doing a great job with Purdue’s bigs, Terry Johnson who had 10 years at Butler (most under Stevens)…. and especially PJ Thompson as Director of Player Development & is serving as their “offensive coordinator” for the #1 offense in KenPom.

What does our staff do well?

Sadly, the only two things I could think of …in bounds plays and last year’s game plan at Purdue.

[HoosierX 1,523]

40 minutes ago, hper50 said:

Pains me to say it … but it’s tough looking up to the road and seeing Brandon Brantley doing a great job with Purdue’s bigs, Terry Johnson who had 10 years at Butler (most under Stevens)…. and especially PJ Thompson as Director of Player Development & is serving as their “offensive coordinator” for the #1 offense in KenPom.

What does our staff do well?

This is something I’ve been genuinely curious about lately too. Kenya has always had a reputation as a recruiter but doesn’t strike me as an Xs and Os guy (for multiple reasons, but mainly because I feel like if he was, he’d be a head coach by now). 

What are our assistants known for? What do they do well?

[Hoosier987 1,069]

7 hours ago, HoosierX said:

This is something I’ve been genuinely curious about lately too. Kenya has always had a reputation as a recruiter but doesn’t strike me as an Xs and Os guy (for multiple reasons, but mainly because I feel like if he was, he’d be a head coach by now). 

What are our assistants known for? What do they do well?

They’re “yes sir” guys. 2 of them were from the old regime. 
If Woodson is here next year, I think he has to make a change regarding the assistants. You have to think one is on the chopping block or at least a demotion. I would be shocked if a change isn’t made. 

[IUrocker 2,145]

If Woodson is here next year just for the “deserving” factor of giving him one more year to try to turn it around before he decides to walk away on his own, i think I’d much rather it be done after this year instead of risking that chance. He may very well get a couple good guards in the portal, but then we’ll just get to see them do their job of trying to feed the ball into the post. I would obviously hope to be wrong but this staff getting players we are lacking doesn’t necessarily mean we’ll see them being in a game plan used to be successful.
 

Like someone else said either on this site or the other, Dolson could ask Woodson for a clear plan for next year on how he can get this fixed, and it could end up just being a matter of Woodson telling Dolson what he wants to hear. 
 

If Woodson gets another year, gets players in the portal, and turns it around before riding off into the sunset, then great, I hope he does and would be rooting for him. On the other hand, if the rest of this season gets ugly(ier) than it already is, then hopefully they pull the plug peacefully and get started on hiring the guy who we can be confident in for the next decade or more and get this thing rolling for our future. The right guy can definitely get McNeeley to stay on board. 

 

[Golfman25 5,013]

25 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

They’re “yes sir” guys. 2 of them were from the old regime. 
If Woodson is here next year, I think he has to make a change regarding the assistants. You have to think one is on the chopping block or at least a demotion. I would be shocked if a change isn’t made. 

Why would he make a change.  From all accounts he doesn’t listen to them.  Unlikely he’s going to bring in a college guy who knows what he’s doing and start taking his input.  

[yogisballin 2,297]

On 2/3/2024 at 1:43 PM, southernindianahoosier2 said:

I feel bad for Leal. He has talent. His last 2 coaches were Archie and Woodson. So sad. 
 

Beard turns us into a national contender in 12 months if we can handle the extra risk 

Please Dusty may I’m praying you have a good tourney in March 

**** it, let’s go get beard. Dusty may, idk. I’ve only watched just very few games. At the moment, it doesn’t feel like a homerun hire. But, the way admin has ran this program in the last 25 years. We’re not getting a homerun hire anyway. We’re a mess right now. Are we slowly turning into the old Penn St/Northwestern of the B1G?

[IU Prof 782]

Why not T. J. Otzelberger? Won at SDSU, had one blip season at UNLV, and then has won three straight years at Iowa State. Took over a team that had just gone 2-22 and took them to the Sweet 16 his first year in Ames. Returned to the dance last year, top 15 KenPom this year with elite defensive metrics. If you can win in the Big XII at Iowa State, the sky is the limit with IU's resources. Plus he's young, and Midwestern to boot. 

Seems like exactly the sort of guy a school like IU should be targeting. Proven at the P5 level, but at a place where IU would still be a huge promotion. Young enough to be the guy for 2+ decades if all works out.

[Stuhoo 79,724]

18 minutes ago, IU Prof said:

Why not T. J. Otzelberger? Won at SDSU, had one blip season at UNLV, and then has won three straight years at Iowa State. Took over a team that had just gone 2-22 and took them to the Sweet 16 his first year in Ames. Returned to the dance last year, top 15 KenPom this year with elite defensive metrics. If you can win in the Big XII at Iowa State, the sky is the limit with IU's resources. Plus he's young, and Midwestern to boot. 

Seems like exactly the sort of guy a school like IU should be targeting. Proven at the P5 level, but at a place where IU would be a huge promotion still. Young enough to be the guy for 3+ decades if all works out.

Would be a 100% strong choice. The guy can coach, he can REALLY recruit, and the buyout and salary would be within reason.

And IUProf illustrates an important point: There are most certainly more than a few coaches in their 40's that have the potential to be the next Jay Wright, Bruce Pearl, Scott Drew, Mark Few, etc. 

I understand the Archie PTSD; it's real and it's warranted.

But that doesn't change the fact that when the time comes, rather than pursuing pipe-dreams of already established 58-65 year old elite coaches, we should want to identify the next elite coach and program head.

[IndyResident16 567]

1 hour ago, Ngw7183 said:

Shows how wrong he is. Louisville already said no to his boy. Their administration isn’t trying to go back to strippers and blow 

Then they'll hire Musselmen or Cronin, you know guys that have actually coached at the P5 level with a modicum of success. They tried the same stunt we did and got burned. But they won't let their problem linger for more than a year or two. 

[Feathery 4,005]

I think one factor that changes how long coaches get will be NIL. When boosters spend big money to support the program getting players, then they will have an increased say in how long the head coach will get. So unless the big donors start pulling funds, then I think Woodson gets another year. 

[Uspshoosier 45,094]

1 hour ago, IU Prof said:

Seems like exactly the sort of guy a school like IU should be targeting. Proven at the P5 level, but at a place where IU would still be a huge promotion. Young enough to be the guy for 2+ decades if all works out.

Depends if he was willing to leave a place he spent 8 years as an assistant coach before he came back and took over as head coach.   I’m sure if the money is right but you never know nowadays coaches make a ton of money anywhere.    Don’t know if he would even want to move on from someplace he is familiar with 

[AZ Hoosier 6,552]

I sent this off to the Board of Trustees and Scott Dolson on Saturday afternoon:

TO: Scott Dolson, W. Quinn Buckner, Cindy Lucchese, Cathy Langham, Jeremy A. Morris, J. Timothy Morris, Kyle S. Seibert, Donna B. Spears, Isaac Torres and Vivian Winston

Shame on you. Shame on you all.

I assume you will be getting a lot of these kinds of emails today. Or, maybe not. The Indiana University basketball fans are totally over this coaching nightmare. I wasn't personally in favor of the hire when you and Scott Dolson chose to hire Mike Woodson to lead the Hoosiers Men's basketball team. That said, I was was willing to give it a chance. I am now totally over it. I just sat through the most embarrassing loss (at home v Penn State) that I can remember in all of my years watching IU basketball.

The issues with Mike Woodson as head coach are numerous. He cannot recruit to build a complete and competitive roster. The roster that he has constructed is completely lacking in serviceable guards. And despite the obvious holes in this roster, he chose to leave one scholarship open even though everyone knew we needed more guards. Instead of bringing in some guards he brought in Walker and Sparks, two more wings who rarely see the court.

Woodson is incapable of coaching any style other than stale, circa 2008 NBA style, complete with "NHL hockey line change" substitution patterns. He apparently is incapable of making in-game adjustments, has no real offensive scheme, and does not appear to have taught the basic defensive concepts. His arrogant attitude at post game press conferences ("I am not going to sit here and answer that question from the fans or you") is offensive. No one, including the Athletic Director or the Board of Trustees, has taken the necessary steps to hold him accountable.

Additionally, he's mostly absent on the recruiting trail, leaving that responsibility to his assistant coaches. Despite the better than good chance of a mass exodus of the current roster next year (to the NBA and/or the portal), he has managed to sign a single recruit for next year.

The "Mike Woodson" experiment is an abysmal failure. And if we were totally honest, the hire itself was a mistake. There is no way Woodson was on anyone's list as a potential college head coach, and except for him being an Indiana alumnus, he would not have garnered any interest anywhere. He had ZERO college experience, and no understanding of the energy needed to travel, recruit, teach and coach young men to be a part of the great tradition that is Indiana University basketball.

I urge you to relieve Mike Woodson of his coaching duties TODAY. What we have is totally unacceptable and should not happen at Indiana University. It is obvious that he is not totally dedicated to the hard work on the recruiting front that a college basketball coach needs. This team plays with no passion or enthusiasm and is a direct reflection on the energy level, personality and tenacity of the coach. Woodson often appears uninterested and shows no emotion on the court. I sincerely believe that he had no idea what the job entailed or what amount of effort and energy would be required.I sincerely believe that Woodson was not qualified and should never been hired to coach Indiana basketball.

It's time to "pull the plug" on this failed experiment. Indiana University deserves a young, energetic coach who has both the desire and ability to lead this program into the future. And the fans deserve a program of which we can once again be proud.

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I received this from whomever screens their emails... at least I know it got there. Whether it generates any action, as doubtful as I am,  remains to be seen.

Dear Mr. xxxxxxxxxxxx,

Thank you for taking the time to write to the trustees of IU to express your concerns. I am writing to acknowledge receipt of your email in the Office of the Board of Trustees and to note that it has been forwarded for further review.

Sincerely,

Office of the Board of Trustees

[Stuhoo 79,724]

14 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

I sent this off to the Board of Trustees and Scott Dolson on Saturday afternoon:

TO: Scott Dolson, W. Quinn Buckner, Cindy Lucchese, Cathy Langham, Jeremy A. Morris, J. Timothy Morris, Kyle S. Seibert, Donna B. Spears, Isaac Torres and Vivian Winston

Shame on you. Shame on you all.

I assume you will be getting a lot of these kinds of emails today. Or, maybe not. The Indiana University basketball fans are totally over this coaching nightmare. I wasn't personally in favor of the hire when you and Scott Dolson chose to hire Mike Woodson to lead the Hoosiers Men's basketball team. That said, I was was willing to give it a chance. I am now totally over it. I just sat through the most embarrassing loss (at home v Penn State) that I can remember in all of my years watching IU basketball.

The issues with Mike Woodson as head coach are numerous. He cannot recruit to build a complete and competitive roster. The roster that he has constructed is completely lacking in serviceable guards. And despite the obvious holes in this roster, he chose to leave one scholarship open even though everyone knew we needed more guards. Instead of bringing in some guards he brought in Walker and Sparks, two more wings who rarely see the court.

Woodson is incapable of coaching any style other than stale, circa 2008 NBA style, complete with "NHL hockey line change" substitution patterns. He apparently is incapable of making in-game adjustments, has no real offensive scheme, and does not appear to have taught the basic defensive concepts. His arrogant attitude at post game press conferences ("I am not going to sit here and answer that question from the fans or you") is offensive. No one, including the Athletic Director or the Board of Trustees, has taken the necessary steps to hold him accountable.

Additionally, he's mostly absent on the recruiting trail, leaving that responsibility to his assistant coaches. Despite the better than good chance of a mass exodus of the current roster next year (to the NBA and/or the portal), he has managed to sign a single recruit for next year.

The "Mike Woodson" experiment is an abysmal failure. And if we were totally honest, the hire itself was a mistake. There is no way Woodson was on anyone's list as a potential college head coach, and except for him being an Indiana alumnus, he would not have garnered any interest anywhere. He had ZERO college experience, and no understanding of the energy needed to travel, recruit, teach and coach young men to be a part of the great tradition that is Indiana University basketball.

I urge you to relieve Mike Woodson of his coaching duties TODAY. What we have is totally unacceptable and should not happen at Indiana University. It is obvious that he is not totally dedicated to the hard work on the recruiting front that a college basketball coach needs. This team plays with no passion or enthusiasm and is a direct reflection on the energy level, personality and tenacity of the coach. Woodson often appears uninterested and shows no emotion on the court. I sincerely believe that he had no idea what the job entailed or what amount of effort and energy would be required.I sincerely believe that Woodson was not qualified and should never been hired to coach Indiana basketball.

It's time to "pull the plug" on this failed experiment. Indiana University deserves a young, energetic coach who has both the desire and ability to lead this program into the future. And the fans deserve a program of which we can once again be proud.

-----------------------------

I received this from whomever screens their emails... at least I know it got there. Whether it generates any action, as doubtful as I am,  remains to be seen.

Dear Mr. xxxxxxxxxxxx,

Thank you for taking the time to write to the trustees of IU to express your concerns. I am writing to acknowledge receipt of your email in the Office of the Board of Trustees and to note that it has been forwarded for further review.

Sincerely,

Office of the Board of Trustees

Emails to very senior people that start with "Shame on you. Shame on you all" tend to be summarily dismissed in my experience.

[Golfman25 5,013]

16 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

I sent this off to the Board of Trustees and Scott Dolson on Saturday afternoon:

TO: Scott Dolson, W. Quinn Buckner, Cindy Lucchese, Cathy Langham, Jeremy A. Morris, J. Timothy Morris, Kyle S. Seibert, Donna B. Spears, Isaac Torres and Vivian Winston

Shame on you. Shame on you all.

I assume you will be getting a lot of these kinds of emails today. Or, maybe not. The Indiana University basketball fans are totally over this coaching nightmare. I wasn't personally in favor of the hire when you and Scott Dolson chose to hire Mike Woodson to lead the Hoosiers Men's basketball team. That said, I was was willing to give it a chance. I am now totally over it. I just sat through the most embarrassing loss (at home v Penn State) that I can remember in all of my years watching IU basketball.

The issues with Mike Woodson as head coach are numerous. He cannot recruit to build a complete and competitive roster. The roster that he has constructed is completely lacking in serviceable guards. And despite the obvious holes in this roster, he chose to leave one scholarship open even though everyone knew we needed more guards. Instead of bringing in some guards he brought in Walker and Sparks, two more wings who rarely see the court.

Woodson is incapable of coaching any style other than stale, circa 2008 NBA style, complete with "NHL hockey line change" substitution patterns. He apparently is incapable of making in-game adjustments, has no real offensive scheme, and does not appear to have taught the basic defensive concepts. His arrogant attitude at post game press conferences ("I am not going to sit here and answer that question from the fans or you") is offensive. No one, including the Athletic Director or the Board of Trustees, has taken the necessary steps to hold him accountable.

Additionally, he's mostly absent on the recruiting trail, leaving that responsibility to his assistant coaches. Despite the better than good chance of a mass exodus of the current roster next year (to the NBA and/or the portal), he has managed to sign a single recruit for next year.

The "Mike Woodson" experiment is an abysmal failure. And if we were totally honest, the hire itself was a mistake. There is no way Woodson was on anyone's list as a potential college head coach. and except for him being an Indiana alumnus, he would not have garnered any interest anywhere. He had ZERO college experience, including consideration for the energy needed to travel, recruit, teach and coach young men to be a part of the great tradition that is Indiana University basketball.

I urge you to relieve Mike Woodson of his coaching duties TODAY. What we have is totally unacceptable and should not happen at Indiana University. It sounds like he is not totally dedicated to work hard on the recruiting front that a college basketball coach needs. This team plays with no passion or enthusiasm and is a direct reflection on the energy level, personality and tenacity of the coach. Woodson often appears uninterested and shows no emotion on the court. I sincerely believe that he had no idea what the job entailed or what amount of effort and energy would be required.I sincerely believe that Woodson was not qualified and should never been hired to coach Indiana basketball.

It's time to "pull the plug" on this failed experiment. Indiana University deserves a young, energetic coach who has both the desire and ability to lead this program into the future. And the fans deserve a program of which we can once again be proud.

-----------------------------

I received this from whomever screens their emails... at least I know it got there. Whether it generates any action, as doubtful as I am,  remains to be seen.

Dear Mr. xxxxxxxxxxxx,

Thank you for taking the time to write to the trustees of IU to express your concerns. I am writing to acknowledge receipt of your email in the Office of the Board of Trustees and to note that it has been forwarded for further review.

Sincerely,

Office of the Board of Trustees

Since you're not a big time money booster, here is the BOT response:  "Ok, Karen."  :)   

[Hoosierfan2017 20,913]

Woodson wanted the title, not the job. He's not willing to do the work the job requires. And this is the result. Enough is enough. 

[LamarCheeks 18,066]

17 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Emails to very senior people that start with "Shame on you. Shame on you all" tend to be summarily dismissed in my experience.

Similarly, when I was a kid and my teacher started a conversation with "Shame on you" -- the comments were summarily dismissed!!! 

[TheWatShot 13,653]

51 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Emails to very senior people that start with "Shame on you. Shame on you all" tend to be summarily dismissed in my experience.

+1

NEVER start a letter by insulting the recipient. It might make you feel better but it's not going to register with the person reading it, a person who is likely getting paid to get spit on. The best way to do it is to share an experience they can relate to while expressing concern. I'll try and put something together later on when I have a minute.