Soon to RETIRE Coach Woodson Thread

[IUHoosierJoe 1,422]

16 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

IU can get whoever they want if they say yes.    You don’t see many teams that have been down 30 years get the white whale.   Plenty of big time coaches will say yes however you don’t see the Stevens, Donavans coming in on a white horse to save a program 

I get what you guys are saying, and there's a lot of people who share that opinion.  I just don't think we're your normal, average program that's been down.  It's more like we've underachieved for 25 years since Knight.  Those that are a little older will remember Alabama football from Bear Bryant (1982) to Nick Saban (2007).  Just like our past 25 years (except they won a championship, and we only played for one).  We can pretend there's no potential here, or we can go get our Nick Saban like Alabama did.  It's entirely up to us how much longer we want to suck.  

[str8baller 5,984]

5 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Guys IU is a top 5 job in the current landscape. That’s just reality. There will be lots of interest. 

Duke, Kansas, Kentucky and probably UNC are demonstrably better, imo. Infrastructure, admin, fan support, funds, etc.. are all better or at worst even with IU. 
 

From there you’d have to think IU is hands down better than the next group that starts with UCLA and probably includes Uconn, MSU, Lville and non basketball, but basketball friendly, schools like Tenn, Texas, Florida, etc… to say IU is a for sure a top 5 job.  
 

I’d say we’re one of the top 10 jobs that matter still. But that doesn’t mean people are beating down the door to get here. 

[AH1971 1,907]

2 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

No man, we get it. We know you think IU is a mediocre job, you’ve made that abundantly clear.

Some of us aren’t ready to jump that shark. If we end up 5+ guys down the list, feel free to dance on the grave of IU basketball being an elite program. And you can laugh at all of us for daring to believe there is still something special about IU. You don’t believe the job is still special, I get it and even understand the view in some respects. I’ve been an IU fan for 25 years, I’ve seen more bad basketball than good. But I still believe the job is special. 

IU can absolutely become a good program again and a decent one at that quick. But it's not going to happen in a 1-2 year span. You're not ever going to erase a 30 year down period overnight. And with each lost season and each passing coach the desperation grows bigger and bigger every single year.

[ap2345 9,067]

10 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Not anywhere close.

Kentucky is an actual top 5 job and just got Mark Pope after being turned down by the some of the biggest names in college basketball. 

Well you are uninformed 

[ap2345 9,067]

The thing is comparing IU to UK is tricky. None of the names they went after last year had real ties to UK or Kentucky until they got to Pope. On the flips side that’s the exact opposite. Oh and Trilly even said just a couple days ago that IUnis considered a top 5 job too.

[AH1971 1,907]

3 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Well you are uninformed 

Watch who we hire next month.

You'll see.

[ap2345 9,067]

Just now, AH1971 said:

Watch who we hire next month.

You'll see.

Ok 

[Hoosierfan2017 22,502]

11 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

IU can absolutely become a good program again and a decent one at that quick. But it's not going to happen in a 1-2 year span. You're not ever going to erase a 30 year down period overnight. And with each lost season and each passing coach the desperation grows bigger and bigger every single year.

IU football literally just did after an entire program history of a “down period” with far worse NIL resources in a sport that’s much harder to make immediate improvements in given roster sizes. 

[WeeDerkaNaut 530]

Man's living the dream as a Head Coach and has a beautiful wife...y'all need to cut the gummy back from 10 to 2.5 lmao

[tyappleg 3,839]

16 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

IU can absolutely become a good program again and a decent one at that quick. But it's not going to happen in a 1-2 year span. You're not ever going to erase a 30 year down period overnight. And with each lost season and each passing coach the desperation grows bigger and bigger every single year.

Somebody just did this with a much worse program, with less support, and in a harder sport to do it in. I'll let you figure out who it was. 

[Artie86 2,429]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

OK I get what your saying. And that makes total sense. I just feel like this time you can't be cheap, you have to throw a ton of money at whoever you think can do the job. Your losing fans already, and it's going to take a big hit to get some back. 

....we land a coach like BS, fans will be absolutely insane!  We will see students camping out in line to Assembly Hall, like the old days for their seat.

[AH1971 1,907]

9 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

IU football literally just did after an entire program history of a “down period” with far worse NIL resources in a sport that’s much harder to make immediate improvements in given roster sizes. 

Literally zero expectations for Cignetti and the football program. None. 

Look at DeBoer and Alabama who went 9-3 in  year 1. Already on the hot seat.

That's IU's basketball expectations for a program who has shown nothing the last 30 years.

[Chris007 49,020]

1 minute ago, Artie86 said:

....we a coach like BS, fans will be absolutely insane!  We will see students camping out in line to Assembly Hall, like the old days for their seat.

That's what my son said to me the other day. He said can you imagine my freshman year at IU we get Cignetti and my sophomore year we get Stevens. I said that would be awesome but let's slow it down for now. 

[Chris007 49,020]

7 minutes ago, tyappleg said:

Somebody just did this with a much worse program, with less support, and in a harder sport to do it in. I'll let you figure out who it was. 

Yeah, the expectation for Alabama football every year is the final 4 or the national championship. After the last 30 years here for IUBB our expectations are just to make the tournament and we can't even get a coach to do that right now. 

 

Your comparison is spot on in my eyes

[Artie86 2,429]

28 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think a lot of people on here last year would have taken Mark Pope in a heartbeat. Fun style of play. The only negative I saw was he played at UK. So a top 5 program got a really good coach and their still a top 5 program. Hopefully we go that route this time

.....totally agree. I also feel anywhere Pope ended up (NOT UK) would only be temporary. IMO, UK was his dream job.

[IUHoosierJoe 1,422]

4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

That's what my son said to me the other day. He said can you imagine my freshman year at IU we get Cignetti and my sophomore year we get Stevens. I said that would be awesome but let's slow it down for now. 

My son's a freshman there as well, and we're hoping for the same thing.

[Pagoda 1,590]

4 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Literally zero expectations for Cignetti and the football program. None. 

Look at DeBoer and Alabama who went 9-3 in  year 1. Already on the hot seat.

That's IU's basketball expectations for a program who has shown nothing the last 30 years.

Those are not the expectations here, no matter how many different ways you try to say it.

[RaceToTheTop 27,218]

2 hours ago, johnsoniu said:

In keeping with his strict criteria, Rico would like to enter Arkansas St HC Bryan Hodgson's name into the discussion....

 

Looks like this make a wish kid lied about his age on the application.

[Demo 20,990]

19 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

IU football literally just did after an entire program history of a “down period” with far worse NIL resources in a sport that’s much harder to make immediate improvements in given roster sizes. 

100%. Listing jobs as top 5-10 jobs now has become an antiquated mindset. Crean took the job here because 15 years ago heritage jobs were a thing. If you wanted to be a legend that stuff mattered. Now it’s far less so. There’s nothing an IU can offer an Oats that he can’t get at Bama. The question about any job is are the resources and infrastructure in place to win at an elite level? If the answer’s yes then it’s a great job. The answer here is a big yes. So what they have to nail down is the fit of the guy. This job’s got heat. Not for everybody, but there are a bunch of guys who could do really well.

[TadQueasy 1,050]

13 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Looks like this make a wish kid lied about his age on the application.

He definitely outkicked his coverage by a LARGE margin.