Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Pagoda 1,010]

4 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

QB cares deeply about the University and the basketball program. Disagree with him all you want, but the “he doesn’t care” stuff is ridiculous, with all due respect.

No.  He put his unqualified friend ahead of the program.  It’s pretty clear what he cares about. 

[Hoosier DaDa 2,804]

1 hour ago, KathywithaC said:

I think you and others are going to continue to be disappointed if you believe we’re moving on Woodson before the season concludes. Not sure what conversations you’ve heard about since we lost to Illinois, but these aren’t people and this isn’t a culture prone to knee jerk decisions and actions. I know there are some restless people who are talking about “where do we go from here” (this is a direct quote), but it’s not a January action item. 

Who or Where is KathywithaC's interpreter?  Her post are about as clear as mud or is it just me? 

[KathywithaC 598]

7 minutes ago, AnotherSznOnTheBrink said:

Noted that she’s avoiding that question like the plague though. 

Not avoiding a thing, including what the “Doctor” said.

[68Hoosier 657]

2 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

....what if a few of the core players or even most of them have checked out and have more trust in assistant coaches? This is my theory. 

I think some of the assistant coaches have checked out as well.  Why care if the king will not listen to what you have to say.

[AnotherSznOnTheBrink 255]

2 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I think it’s very plausible, but I would be surprised if that happens today or tomorrow or even this month. If it occurs, early March would be the most likely time frame. If they elect to go to that length to give him a dignified exit, I think they’d let the season progress to a point where the end is in sight.

Gotcha. Thanks for the response. I was of the thought that if that were possible, then public pressure would force the timing more than anything. 

[KathywithaC 598]

8 minutes ago, PartyintheVillas said:

Interim coaches have worked as many times as the short numbers of examples you've given that haven't. You have no conclusive data and only anecdotes that fail to consider the larger picture. Where is the data? Do you know what conclusive data is? Also, EddyO won a national title and is a beloved figure by LSU nation.

Name you best interim coaches (Eddie O got fired by LSU - oops, since he wasn’t a qualified HC).

[Artie86 2,097]

5 minutes ago, 68Hoosier said:

I think some of the assistant coaches have checked out as well.  Why care if the king will not listen to what you have to say.

If he is gone, they may FINALLY have a respected and appreciated VOICE.

[mark1981 1,371]

3 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I think it’s very plausible, but I would be surprised if that happens today or tomorrow or even this month. If it occurs, early March would be the most likely time frame. If they elect to go to that length to give him a dignified exit, I think they’d let the season progress to a point where the end is in sight.

That's disappointing to hear.  We have enough talent and time to salvage the season and make the tourney.  This is the last go around for several of these players.  He needs to do the right thing and give them a chance.

[mdiu28 1,880]

7 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

QB cares deeply about the University and the basketball program. Disagree with him all you want, but the “he doesn’t care” stuff is ridiculous, with all due respect.

I get what you're throwing down here. What you're saying is QB is going to hire himself as head coach after Woody retires. 

[MikeRoberts 7,207]

1 hour ago, KathywithaC said:

They aren’t “my guys” any more than they’re “your guys”. But I do understand the visceral reactions here. We haven’t had an elite program for several decades, and that’s due to a bunch of people in positions of leadership who were each convinced they knew what they were doing. Way too many cooks who can’t and couldn’t boil water.

Those Cooks and the other Cooks have watched this team lose 5 games by a total of 111 points.

111 points, that is unreal. If they keep that up and there are no signs of life here that will change and they don’t let him go or announce it then they are not only watching this place burn down but also throwing fuel on the fire.

Anyone complicit in that should be fired along with Woodson

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7 minutes ago, 68Hoosier said:

Worse, how can it get any worse.  Look around Ellen, we're at the threshold of hell. (Classic Christmas Vacation for those that don't know).

I was thinking this exact thing. I was also thinking as IU fans on this board, his line "No, no. We're all in this together!".…LOL

[JSHoosier 20,506]

25 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

The process has never been the problem. Leadership has been the problem.

Sounds an awful lot like doing the same things and expecting different results.

[KathywithaC 598]

8 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

I’m not surprised.  You seem dense. 
Just look at X.  A lot of crazies out there who have it out for the administration.  Why risk a bad situation like what happened to the UHC CEO?

People have had it.  I’ve followed IU basketball for 40 years.  I’ve never seen anything like it.  The whole situation is a giant powder keg if they don’t move now.

What does the DB situation have to do with any of this? And are you really suggesting that IU fans would become violent toward Woodson? That’s either dense or really concerning.

[Mr. Hoosier Pride 619]

8 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I’m just not prone to emotionally driven decisions, since they rarely produce good results. 

4 years of results is hardly emotional Kathy, move past the emotional argument. there's science behind the arguments to move on. See Crossbone (i think that's the poster's name) above, see also losses piling up, recruits being lost ... there's no future as is.....all of that leads me to a decision that is based on anything but emotion.  

So far, you've argued "but we might lose games without Woody" and "i don't' make decisions based on emotions" .... what's your next move?

[IU Prof 909]

6 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Name you best interim coaches (Eddie O got fired by LSU - oops, since he wasn’t a qualified HC).

Are you talking about interim coaches who were appointed full time, or just those who turned a team's fortunes around the same season that the HC was fired?

If the former, then Dabo Swinney. If the latter, then Diebler at OSU just last year. There's plenty of examples of the latter.

But I don't think anyone is proposing that an interim be given the job beyond the rest of this season, so I'm not clear what point you are trying to make.

[Chris007 46,040]

45 minutes ago, FightFor6 said:

 

Well it's definitely not Cuinn with a Q so maybe it's Kindy with a C? What say you Khris?

Very close to Dcott Solson

[KathywithaC 598]

3 minutes ago, mark1981 said:

That's disappointing to hear.  We have enough talent and time to salvage the season and make the tourney.  This is the last go around for several of these players.  He needs to do the right thing and give them a chance.

Who would you get to take the interim position?

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4 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Name you best interim coaches (Eddie O got fired by LSU - oops, since he wasn’t a qualified HC).

How about Jake Diebler taking over for Holtmann at OSU literally last year? And the dude got the freakin' job. We obviously aren't even looking for that. Just someone to do as well as they can and reenergize the program as much as possible as we transition.

Maybe I'm wrong but I think fans would show up and cheer like crazy for these guys if they knew we were going in another direction at season's end

[68Hoosier 657]

2 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

If he is gone, they may have FINALLY have a respected and appreciated VOICE.

You know some of the players have to be really wondering why they came here for this.  I know they have the talent and want to be coached and win games.  My guess is they have no voice either and are just following the leader to keep their playing time.  Shocked some have not left the team and started portal shopping already.

[KathywithaC 598]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Hoosier Pride said:

4 years of results is hardly emotional Kathy, move past the emotional argument. there's science behind the arguments to move on. See Crossbone (i think that's the poster's name) above, see also losses piling up, recruits being lost ... there's no future as is.....all of that leads me to a decision that is based on anything but emotion.  

So far, you've argued "but we might lose games without Woody" and "i don't' make decisions based on emotions" .... what's your next move?

Let the season play out and then make a reasoned decision based on the results to date and the long term benefit of the program.