Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Trish 11,505]

20 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

He did something no coach has done in IU  history last night though……..

First time in school history IU has won at least 1 game  in 3 straight B1G tourneys.   Says more about how awful IU has played in the B1G tournament though.   

Yeah the B1G tournament is an enemy of the state of Indiana (Indiana University specifically). 

[JimmerNoe 497]

4 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

I just can't figure MR out.  It really seemed like the staff thought he would be the guy this year and put Ware on kind of a 2nd or 3rd tier at times.  MR has had some really big games but there are so many times he just does things that kill an opportunity.  Seems like a great kid but I worry if Woody is back he will be relying too much on MR (like they did with X this year).  

I think next step in his development in just awareness. If he just makes the right decision on his post catches and can stay on the floor he’s a first or second team all big ten next year. He’s gotta be leaving 5 points and a handful of assists on the court right now. No one in the Big Ten is touching his footwork and post moves.

[8bucks 6,347]

19 minutes ago, JF87 said:

Eh...not so fast with the positivity.  The set didn't get us a great shot.  We got a forced shot in traffic, then Leal made a play.  The outcome was great, but let's not act like it was a great set.  If you want to say "in theory" it was a great set, then sure.  But the actual executed play didn't get us a clean look.  

If you look at this photo someone else posted there are actually 2 options for MR besides the one he chose - to drive.  KW has great post position and should be option 1 but sneaky little Leal is in a great spot for a back cut and with Ware sealing his man he might have had an easy layup

[Golfman25 5,002]

1 hour ago, btownqb said:

How could Leal's words actually have bothered any of you? 

You don't attack the fans, period.  Why is that so hard for people to understand?  

[AKHoosier 6,739]

1 hour ago, Demo said:

If you can’t root for Anthony freaking Leal, who is as dyed-in-the-wool, true blue Hoosier as it gets, that’s not a him problem, that’s a you problem. For God’s sake.

Honestly I'm sorry, but this post irritates me almost as much as Leal's comments do. Who are you to tell me who I need to root for? I've always been an IU fan but don't mistake that for having blind, unconditional support.

A 21 year old kid who has hardly any athleticism and barely contributes to the team, yet has 6 figures in his bank account BECAUSE of the fan support, tells those same fans "there's a reason you aren't coaches" or "you just need to chill" when the team had underperformed at 18-13 just rubs me the wrong way.

And thus, makes it harder to root for them. Rant over. 

[HoosierHoopster 6,793]

13 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

If you look at this photo someone else posted there are actually 2 options for MR besides the one he chose - to drive.  KW has great post position and should be option 1 but sneaky little Leal is in a great spot for a back cut and with Ware sealing his man he might have had an easy layup

I like Malik but he looks for his instead of moving the ball or kicking back out more than he shows offensive team awareness. He’d be a lot better both individually and as a team facilitator by growing his assist game and generally creating space by moving the ball

[HoosierHoopster 6,793]

6 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

Honestly I'm sorry, but this post irritates me almost as much as Leal's comments do. Who are you to tell me who I need to root for? I've always been an IU fan but don't mistake that for having blind, unconditional support.

A 21 year old kid who has hardly any athleticism and barely contributes to the team, yet has 6 figures in his bank account BECAUSE of the fan support, tells those same fans "there's a reason you aren't coaches" or "you just need to chill" when the team had underperformed at 18-13 just rubs me the wrong way.

And thus, makes it harder to root for them. Rant over. 

Rant ignores that the experience he brings to this team is now contributing to W’s. We don’t win without him on the floor last night. It’s not about his athleticism, it’s about his decision making. 

We obviously need to significantly improve our backcourt this offseason and going forward. But that doesn’t mean it makes sense to just dismiss the kid’s contributions bc he isn’t athletic or the level of guard we need to get back into contention 

[JF87 1,413]

17 minutes ago, JimmerNoe said:

I think next step in his development in just awareness. If he just makes the right decision on his post catches and can stay on the floor he’s a first or second team all big ten next year. He’s gotta be leaving 5 points and a handful of assists on the court right now. No one in the Big Ten is touching his footwork and post moves.

I love Malik.  He seems to be a great young man and an outstanding representative for our university.  I agree that offensively, Malik can be one of the best players in the Big Ten next year.  His defense is still a work in progress.  At times this year, Malik missed some opportunities to pass out of double teams.  In an early game next year against one of our weaker opponents, I would love for the staff to challenge him to simply focus on how many assists he can get in a game.  This would help develop Malik's game and potentially increase our three-point attempts.  

[Stuhoo 79,630]

22 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

Honestly I'm sorry, but this post irritates me almost as much as Leal's comments do. Who are you to tell me who I need to root for? I've always been an IU fan but don't mistake that for having blind, unconditional support.

A 21 year old kid who has hardly any athleticism and barely contributes to the team, yet has 6 figures in his bank account BECAUSE of the fan support, tells those same fans "there's a reason you aren't coaches" or "you just need to chill" when the team had underperformed at 18-13 just rubs me the wrong way.

And thus, makes it harder to root for them. Rant over. 

I will second it:

Anthony Leal is the absolute best of what an Indiana player should be.

It’s my opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own. But holy hell; who isn’t proud and happy for Anthony Leal? Leader, patience, improvement, hard worker, academic excellence, local kid, loyalty, performance.

Oh, and respectful but not afraid to speak the hard truths.

[Chris007 43,565]

11 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Rant ignores that the experience he brings to this team is now contributing to W’s. We don’t win without him on the floor last night. It’s not about his athleticism, it’s about his decision making. 

We obviously need to significantly improve our backcourt this offseason and going forward. But that doesn’t mean it makes sense to just dismiss the kid’s contributions bc he isn’t athletic or the level of guard we need to get back into contention 

So is that another reason we need to fire Woodson because he didn't play him for half this season and the last 2 years

[Home Jersey 6,583]

Leal's speech doesn't upset me very much (I do think the tone could have been better) but he was taking queues from his coach and I believe a lot of the "true fan" narrative is also related to treatment of Xavier, so also sticking up for his teammate. I like having a guy like that in the locker room even if it means adopting an "us against the world" mindset that a lot of fans may find off-putting. Woodson's speech is another topic but I've cooled off a lot about Leal. 

[HoosierHoopster 6,793]

6 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

So is that another reason we need to fire Woodson because he didn't play him for half this season and the last 2 years

Not imo. 2 years ago was a different team altogether. First half of this season? Hard to say, probably should’ve gotten minutes for stability but doubt he was standing out in practices and staff was expecting development out of a couple guys who didn’t show it. I’m very much wanting IU to move on from Woodson, but hindsight based on current play from Leal who almost never played in a full college career isn’t one of my reasons 

[Chris007 43,565]

1 minute ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Not imo. 2 years ago was a different team altogether. First half of this season? Hard to say, probably should’ve gotten minutes for stability but doubt he was standing out in practices and staff was expecting development out of a couple guys who didn’t show it. I’m very much wanting IU to move on from Woodson, but hindsight based on current play from Leal who almost never played in a full college career isn’t one of my reasons 

[MrBBall 94]

12 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Leal's speech doesn't upset me very much (I do think the tone could have been better) but he was taking queues from his coach and I believe a lot of the "true fan" narrative is also related to treatment of Xavier, so also sticking up for his teammate. I like having a guy like that in the locker room even if it means adopting an "us against the world" mindset that a lot of fans may find off-putting. Woodson's speech is another topic but I've cooled off a lot about Leal. 

He uses the language in the locker room. Not a good way to endear yourself to fans. Would they rather us be like IU football fandom? Uncaring and apathetic?

Edited March 15 by MrBBall

[Home Jersey 6,583]

8 minutes ago, MrBBall said:

He uses the language in the locker room. Not a good way to endear yourself to fans. Would they rather us be like OU football fandom? Uncaring and apathetic?

Sorry I'm not really following that comparison... I am not aware of OU football fans being uncaring and apathetic haha. Maybe I missed something? 

Edit: I agree it's not a great way of endearing yourself to fans. If you feel like it has to be said, which Leal clearly did, I won't begrudge you for speaking your truth. I will try to understand even if it initially seems offensive to me. Doesn't mean I will agree with what he said or the sentiment but it's not going to stop me from rooting for him. Just my .02

[ap2345 7,563]

2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

After rewatching it this morning. It looked like the play was for Ware but Reneau decided he was going to be the hero. Thankfully Anthony Chill Out Leal was there

Well when you’re the coaches favorite you can do whatever you want lol

[MrBBall 94]

4 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Sorry I'm not really following that comparison... I am not aware of OU football fans being uncaring and apathetic haha. Maybe I missed something? 

Ha. Edited 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 83,859]

IMO Trey's and Anthony's comments wouldn't have been taken as badly had not Woody opened his yap.  If Woody had simply thanked the fans and the players and left everything else out, I really don't think there would be as big of a stink as has developed.  And FWIW, I don't think either one looked really comfortable when they made their comments and I felt they were not truly heartfelt but expected from them likely in light of extra NIL they were promised.

[Artie86 1,861]

2 hours ago, btownqb said:

How could Leal's words actually have bothered any of you? 

You can tell his just an overall good kid. He seems always be well spoken, confident and intelligent. 

[RoncalliHoosier 409]

1 minute ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

IMO Trey's and Anthony's comments wouldn't have been taken as badly had not Woody opened his yap.  If Woody had simply thanked the fans and the players and left everything else out, I really don't think there would be as big of a stink as has developed.  And FWIW, I don't think either one looked really comfortable when they made their comments and I felt they were not truly heartfelt but expected from them likely in light of extra NIL they were promised.

True, but the fans (including us here) did not know about the extra scratch at the time they spoke on Senior Day.