Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[mdiu28 1,752]

4 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

For whatever reason we went with X and Galloway and X was never 100%. One good guard and this team makes the tournament and honestly it’s very doable that next years team can make the tournament with the right additions. We will know by May. Some of you have went off the deep end….

We're just tired of the constant acceptance of mediocrity. 

Zoom out and look at the whole situation, then re-read what you wrote. 

Woodson, in year 4 as head coach at IU, makes the tournament and that should be celebrated or claimed to be progress? As fans we expect IU to not only make the tournament but be a top seed - EVERY. SINGLE. YEAR. Why are we all of a sudden happy with "making the tournament"? I'm sure as hell not, that should be a f'ing requirement at IU. Even our fans have become weak just like our admin. 

We deserve better. 

[Five Prime 1,076]

It's pretty obvious Woodson is not the underlying issue with the program's incompetence.

[IUHoosier5 1,523]

10 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Part of the leak supposedly was because Mgbako mom called Woody asking about the rumors if he was going to be there next season. SO that tells me he's coming back

Well, I guess that would be a W. The improvement is noticeable and I like Year 2 Mgbako a lot. Still, this whole portal roster idea seems too good to be true after last year’s whiff besides Kel’el. 
 

I don’t see how they get 2 stud guards on top of a rim protector in here when Woody’s offense is inside-out.

[LIHoosier 25,909]

18 minutes ago, HoosierHuddle said:

-How does everyone think Woodson will want to handle the non-conference schedule next season? I could see him wanting to rack up 9 or 10 wins in guarantee games instead of making it a really challenging non-conference slate. It'll be a lot of new pieces and I could see him justifying an easy non-conference schedule (we'd have to actually thump those teams to not tank our NET rating this time around) by pointing out all of the new players. I just don't see him wanting to go play a bunch of high-profile games again with the pressure on.

Next year we have Atlantis (Arizona, Creighton, Davidson, Gonzaga, Uof6, Oklahoma, West Virginia). That's 1 loss for sure, likely 2 depending on how the bracket goes. We're gonna have to scrape the MEAC, SWAC, and Southland to have a meager home slate that whatever this team ends up being can feast on. The teams we played this year had some familiarity, but by and large they stunk outside of their performance against us.

[JSHoosier 19,845]

2 minutes ago, mdiu28 said:

We're just tired of the constant acceptance of mediocrity. 

Zoom out and look at the whole situation, then re-read what you wrote. 

Woodson, in year 4 as head coach at IU, makes the tournament and that should be celebrated or claimed to be progress? As fans we expect IU to not only make the tournament but be a top seed - EVERY. SINGLE. YEAR. Why are we all of a sudden happy with "making the tournament"? I'm sure as hell not, that should be a f'ing requirement at IU. Even our fans have become weak just like our admin. 

We deserve better. 

A down year should include making the tournament, with a 68 team field it's not that big of an accomplishment.

[Stuhoo 79,786]

7 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

For whatever reason we went with X and Galloway and X was never 100%. One good guard and this team makes the tournament and honestly it’s very doable that next years team can make the tournament with the right additions. We will know by May. Some of you have went off the deep end….

Maybe and maybe not. 

Why is it possible? Because the exact same thing happened with Crean after the Vonleh year. Crean thereafter added a bunch of shooters, and we were back in the tourney the next year and B1G champs the year after that.

[Chris007 43,567]

18 minutes ago, Tom White said:

You're saying the family that has owned the Pacers for decades has a limited sports background?

I did. Just because you have billions doesn't mean you know sports. JMO though from my own experiences around them. 

[IU Prof 782]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

I'm going to predict Reneau, Mgbako, Galloway, Newton, and Sparks back. Mcneely coming in as a freshman. Then going to need at least 2 big-time portal guards and of course, we're going to need a rim protector. 

Then we'll see who else we fill the roster with. I'm up in the air on Cupps he could go either way

Reneau seems like a great kid, so I hate to say this, but I wouldn't bring him back. He's not a well-rounded enough player, so you have to recruit a defensive 5 to pair with him, which messes up the offensive flow. I just don't see Reneau playing a big role on a championship team, sadly.

[Stuhoo 79,786]

Mack Mgbako and Liam McNeeley would potentially be the best set of outside shooting starting forwards in the nation.

Maybe not, but tell me why that is not a plausible take.

[HoosierHuddle 221]

8 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Wonder if they will add someone officially later but set up some sort of arrangement where they can aggressive contact kids when an official staff member could not. 

Heck if I know how any of that works. There don't really appear to be rules for much of anything anymore when it comes to recruiting so I'm sure you could get creative with it. Given the relationship with Kenny Payne, Payne's previous success as a recruiter (which may or may not be relevant in today's NIL world) and his relationship already with Yasir Rosemond...I would not be shocked to see Payne be involved. Perhaps as a replacement for whatever it is that Armond Hill is doing. I know that will get laughed at but we could probably do worse if the job is strictly recruiting related.

[Chris007 43,567]

1 minute ago, IU Prof said:

Reneau seems like a great kid, so I hate to say this, but I wouldn't bring him back. He's not a well-rounded enough player, so you have to recruit a defensive 5 to pair with him, which messes up the offensive flow. I just don't see Reneau playing a big role on a championship team, sadly.

I won't argue that and tend to agree. I just think Woody thinks he's the man in the middle he wants and is going to pay him top dollar

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3 hours ago, HoosierTrav said:

Exactly. Why have an AD? We have a bunch of academics (aside from Buckner) trying to have ultimate say in who coaches our program’s flagship team. 
 

If you lose the fan support of Men’s Basketball, it will negatively impact the others we are building (and attempting to) into winners (wbb and Football). 
 

This time feels different than past times. I think we are going to see a precipitous drop in fan interest and participation. The base was always split between those ticked off at how things were ran and those who felt it was a string of bad luck that would eventually be corrected. Now, the manifestations of the Dunning-Kruger effect and incompetency are unmistakably apparent. This will compel long time supporters to distance themselves. I harbor a deep resentment to such individuals in daily interactions, opting to avoid them entirely. Possessing even a modicum of integrity, why would one compromise this fundamental principle by giving them my time and hard earned money?

I messaged an uncle, who's always been a huge IU fan and watched every game, a few weeks ago during one of the games. He wasn't watching and hadn't watched for several games. So that's one (I guess 2 if you count me) that are quickly losing interest in IU basketball. Anecdotal, I know, but I imagine that is probably happening across the fanbase. 

[HoosierHuddle 221]

8 minutes ago, LIHoosier said:

Next year we have Atlantis (Arizona, Creighton, Davidson, Gonzaga, Uof6, Oklahoma, West Virginia). That's 1 loss for sure, likely 2 depending on how the bracket goes. We're gonna have to scrape the MEAC, SWAC, and Southland to have a meager home slate that whatever this team ends up being can feast on. The teams we played this year had some familiarity, but by and large they stunk outside of their performance against us.

Ah, that's right...we go to the Bahamas as that is one of Woody's preferred vacation spots (I remember that from the preseason exhibition trip the team did and IU fans travelled so well they immediately tried to get us to join). At least the weather should be nice there...

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9 minutes ago, Five Prime said:

I do think we are all overreacting a bit.  This is pretty much status quo IU basketball in the last couple decades. 

If somehow by the grace of God they land the GOAT portal haul... open up the checkbook and put together a monster ... sure it could be a really good year. Hope we maintain that level of commitment/investment once Woody moves on though.

Because if we don't land basically the best class of transfers ever assembled, the likelihood of next year being worse than this season is IMO very real. And man, would a year like that be toxic. Especially when it's the elephant in the room before this year is even over. 

Just brutal. 

[mdiu28 1,752]

8 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

A down year should include making the tournament, with a 68 team field it's not that big of an accomplishment.

Exactly! Why are so many fans SOOOO content with just making the tournament. 

I realize we're not a Blue Blood program anymore but we're also not Minnesota. Mike Woodson screams mediocrity in every aspect and has for his entire career as a coach. If you can't tell, I'm still very pissed from this decision. 

[MikeRoberts 6,921]

Is it Tuesday yet? I can’t wait to hear what comes out of this meeting!

[RoadRage 1,633]

25 minutes ago, HoosierHuddle said:

I also think it was mentioned in vague terms by Eric on the Spaces thing he did last night. He kinda alluded to all three assistants being back but the staff being somewhat different with an addition. I don't know if the term "GM" was used by him and he was not sure what all the role would entail but it would be primarily recruiting based.

Bring in Dusty May as "GM" if you are afraid of losing him, if that pisses Woody off, I guess he could always quit? That's if May is your guy and you are afraid of losing him!

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7 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Mack Mgbako and Liam McNeeley would potentially be the best set of outside shooting starting forwards in the nation.

Maybe not, but tell me why that is not a plausible take.

I wouldn't be surprised if Liam shoots similarly to how Mack did this year. He is a very, very good 3 point shooter but I would not say he is elite in the same way Grady **** was as a freshman (just my opinion from looking at some of the box scores/handful of games)

I do think he is going to impress in terms of his playmaking and I think he will be solid for a freshman on defense. 

Those two would be a hell of a duo. 

EDIT: Lol, Grady "Richard" (who plays for the Raptors) 

[Hornsby 1,652]

If somehow by the grace of God they land the GOAT portal haul... open up the checkbook and put together a monster ... sure it could be a really good year. Hope we maintain that level of commitment/investment once Woody moves on though.
Because if we don't land basically the best class of transfers ever assembled, the likelihood of next year being worse than this season is IMO very real. And man, would a year like that be toxic. Especially when it's the elephant in the room before this year is even over. 
Just brutal. 

A goat portal haul is like 4 top 40 portal players, which will be very difficult to do. It's why you do not put all your eggs in the portal basket.

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[OKHOOSIER 1,984]

5 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Mack Mgbako and Liam McNeeley would potentially be the best set of outside shooting starting forwards in the nation.

Maybe not, but tell me why that is not a plausible take.

100% except the problem is they play the same position sort of, except MM is more of a four. LM and MM at the 3 and 4? REALLY EXCITING…. But, and this is the huge but, do you believe with Malik entrenched and the obvious need for rim protection that would happen consistently? Because I don’t. Then, we end up where we are again playing someone out of position, but instead of Gallo at the 1 it’s LM at the 2. The overall roster construction just has so many issues, then it gets exacerbated by needing to play two centers because Malik would foul out in 10 minutes consistently playing the 5.