Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[RaceToTheTop 24,815]

1 hour ago, Deserthoozier said:

Sadly, this fact actually could be suggestive of a pure leverage play…he could easily just be using this to turn up the heat on UA’s administration to give him everything…his son CIW, new, independent BBall practice facility, lifetime type deal. His team’s rolling and he has solid recruits coming in…knows the time to pressure is right now while the iron is as hot as it may ever get at Auburn.

Just my opinion, but if that's the case c'est la vie.....gonna cost Auburn a crap ton of money on a sport that is really secondary to their fan base.  They'd trade basketball wins for football wins any day.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 83,593]

Portal opens Monday, March 18.  B1G tournament concludes Sunday the 17th.  I would anticipate an announcement sometime between the day our season ends and Monday the 18th.  If the decision is to replace Woody, announcing ASAP might forestall a couple of players from jumping into the portal if what we're hearing about a mass exodus is accurate.  If he's going to get a 4th year then get it out in the open ASAP to end the social media speculation and find out who's leaving.

[IUFAN1976 2,747]

43 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

God I hope we don't get an NIT invite. Be a first round road loss and another week of woodson.

Sent from my SM-A146U using Tapatalk
 

If we lose the next 3 games, we probably won’t!

[Hoosierfan1901 6,045]

Who cares about Pearl or May, I want………

BRAD ******* STEVENS

[Kentuckysucks 2,205]

32 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

From my understanding as I said earlier today. Woody doesn't even know he is on the hot seat. His assistants are afraid to tell him. As he said last week he looks at himself as an elite coach. He can with any team. Except this one

This was from yesterday so yeah.

[RaceToTheTop 24,815]

1 hour ago, AZ Hoosier said:

The question that keeps gnawing at me is "why would Bruce Pearl want to put up with Buckner and his shenanigans?" On a lot of levels it doesn't make sense... I hope it's all true and that it all comes to pass despite Buckner's efforts to stop it... but why would anyone walk in to such a toxic situation with their eyes wide open? Serious question...

If Bruce Pearl were to get hired, he would be important to IU and have more sway over the board than Buckner would.  Might be part of the reason that Buckner is clutching his pearls.

[IU Prof 782]

41 minutes ago, SamIam said:

I will say this, if the buyout stuff is true and IU can space it into annual payments, it should not be underestimated how much leverage this gives IU financially. Woody's team would have to negotiate that into a much smaller guaranteed buyout.  

I was just thinking something similar. Given the time value of money, logic would dictate that it should be possible to reach an agreement with Woodson where he will amicably walk away in exchange for getting a larger chunk of the buyout upfront.

[Chris007 43,474]

We've covered a lot of ground today. I'm going to call it a day & head home. Good work everyone. Pat yourself on the back. 

[Kentuckysucks 2,205]

1 minute ago, RaceToTheTop said:

If Bruce Pearl were to get hired, he would be important to IU and have more sway over the board than Buckner would.  Might be part of the reason that Buckner is clutching his pearls.

"No one bigger than the program ever again"

[AZ Hoosier 6,469]

1 minute ago, RaceToTheTop said:

If Bruce Pearl were to get hired, he would be important to IU and have more sway over the board than Buckner would.  Might be part of the reason that Buckner is clutching his pearls.

I get the consternation from Buckner's POV, but my question was more about why would Pearl walk in to that land mine?

[IUHoosierJoe 1,041]

16 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Pretty much everything can be negotiated...

Yes it can, but the school losing the coach would want something in return for lowering the buyout.  For example, IU could agree to play a road game at Auburn in the future ….  I’m not sure if that kind of thing happens often or not.

[BleedCubbieBlue 1,395]

What if Scott Dolson is Keyser ****!ng Soze? If he fires Woody and QB blocks Pearl, Dolson would presumably still have the money left-over from paying Woody his buyout payment instead of his salary. He takes the $3.2M and gives it to Dusty May. Since he isn't spending more money, I don't think it would require board approval. QB looks like a jerk, he is off the board in 2025, and Scott Dolson gets the guy he wanted all along. It takes all the heat off Dolson and if for some reason it doesn't go well for Dusty, QB gets all the blame.

[AZ Hoosier 6,469]

1 minute ago, IU Prof said:

I was just thinking something similar. Given the time value of money, logic would dictate that it should be possible to reach an agreement with Woodson where he will amicably walk away in exchange for getting a larger chunk of the buyout upfront.

Sounds reasonable... and it would still cost IU less upfront than the "old way" before that clause was added to the contract revision.

Of course, that assumes that Woodson is a reasonable man... and the jury is still out from where I sit.

[IUFAN1976 2,747]

14 minutes ago, theriverpilot said:

Both men are likable and appear to be fine people but that shield of likability will start to quickly thin the longer results aren't met.  I thought Allen did good job of seeing the writing on the wall.  I'm hoping Woodson can do the same before any of those bridges start to catch fire.

Don’t count on it!  I think the kicking and screaming has already started 

[RaceToTheTop 24,815]

54 minutes ago, jbeaman9 said:

Rabby has stated many times that this will be decided very quickly once the season is over. One way or another. I believe if Woodson is fired, the assistants can stay and do the day-to-day stuff until a new coach is announced and his staff is finalized.

I would expect that if Woodson isn't fired, you might still see the assistants jump ship.  What is the point of hanging on if you know the guy is going to be gone in a year anyway?

[tyappleg 2,958]

3 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

I get the consternation from Buckner's POV, but my question was more about why would Pearl walk in to that land mine?

To quote the most successful Indiana coach of the last 30 years... It's Indiana.

 

[OldBuddy67 252]

39 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

From my understanding as I said earlier today. Woody doesn't even know he is on the hot seat. His assistants are afraid to tell him. As he said last week he looks at himself as an elite coach. He can with any team. Except this one

That naive, arrogant, stupid??? All of the above??? Wins and losses aside, those KenPom and NET ratings are all one needs to know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[OKHOOSIER 1,955]

Another one of my concerns and I am not sure how closely folks follow the winds of change in CFB is that it is VERY possible Dolson was given carte blanche to swing for the fences on Allen's replacement (obviously at least whatever fence IUFB can swing for). Reason being the writing is on the wall with major conference football. The B1G/SEC will combine at some point and the top 60ish programs are going to form their own conference. IUFB cannot be left behind due to our historical futility and lack of pull. In short, IUFB has to be respectable to keep us at the big money table. CFB is driving college athletics now. I say that because it could impact the amount of financial power and leeway Dolson has over CBB. His ability to "swing for the fences"  could have been predicated on it being now or never for the IU athletic department to maintain our Power 2 status in FB. There simply may not be the will within the administration to make another huge financial commitment to basketball. As much as it pains me to say that. Just my thoughts, sorry for the ramble.

[BlueDevil 8,655]

7 minutes ago, Hoosierfan1901 said:

Who cares about Pearl or May, I want………

BRAD ******* STEVENS

I’m meh on Stevens at this point. He has been out of the college game for a decade and a LOT has changed since he was around. Also hasn’t coached in 3 years. His appeal is less and less as the years go on.

[IU Prof 782]

3 minutes ago, BleedCubbieBlue said:

What if Scott Dolson is Keyser ****!ng Soze? If he fires Woody and QB blocks Pearl, Dolson would presumably still have the money left-over from paying Woody his buyout payment instead of his salary. He takes the $3.2M and gives it to Dusty May. Since he isn't spending more money, I don't think it would require board approval. QB looks like a jerk, he is off the board in 2025, and Scott Dolson gets the guy he wanted all along. It takes all the heat off Dolson and if for some reason it doesn't go well for Dusty, QB gets all the blame.

There is no way that IU is going to hire a new basketball coach without BoT approval. The overall dollar values are too large, and the role is too central to the university.

Dolson has to work through the BoT, not around it.