IUBB vs Army - Sunday, 11.12.23 @ 7:00 on BTN

[IU_FanClub]

We really gonna do the X discourse all year aren't we? Shocking newsflash, college basketball player has some flaws. He was the one guy that played with intensity from the jump and without his production in the first half we probably lose that game. I get so frustrated seeing people nitpick every little thing he does and ignore anything positive he brings. He's a good player that helps our team. I thought people would get off his @$$ after the massive jump he made at the end of his first season but he seems to still have a target on his back from some of our fans and I think that's ridiculous.

[realTomCrean]

54 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Until I see a kid publicly say I didn’t pick school X because of what some fans are saying on Twitter I won’t care what is being represented by nameless people on social media.    Fans don’t have that kind of power in my opinion.   

Their wallets do though!

[IUFAN1976]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

As go iu bb said above ... "hyperbole much?"

And FWIW, no one said that X is a flawless leader, just that he is a more natural leader than Galloway.

 

My wife accuses me of over exaggerating but in this case I really don’t think so.  Robbie Hummel pointed out that he was arguing every foul call against him.  He just needs to let it go and just play.  As far as the comments about Ware and Reneau, we all heard it.  But I’m not going to argue about me over exaggerating, everyone is entitled to their opinion.  I hope our leadership issues get worked out, right now it’s lacking and so is the coaching, but it can be that players may not be responding either.  We can all agree, right now this team has issues and if things don’t get straightened out, it could be a long season.  There is talent on this team and I trust CMW and staff will get it corrected soon.  We will take our lumps thru mid-December though.

[Artie86]

1 hour ago, Ngw7183 said:

Tell me more. Be specific. 

....lol

[Uspshoosier]

6 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

So we need a kid to state publicly that if you are X or MM you get called thugs, not a leader, not a “smart player” and more that I won’t repeat here until we as fans realize it is a problem and needs to stop. The excuse that all fanbases do it such a passive approach.  Shouldn’t matter if it affects recruiting or not. 

you stated clearly you don’t go on Twitter. (Happens on here as well) Well, all these kids do and the comments are terrible. All while acting like the white kid never does wrong and not acknowledging he is limited.  Would just be nice to hear our “knowledgeable fanbase”  realize what the modern game takes to be successful. We need X, we need CJ, we need MM level athletes. Cupps is fine and will be a very solid 4 year guy. Measurable traits are what they are. (Speed, burst, etc) 

I will let it go as I know some are tired of hearing it. As a follow fan, do your best to squash those bias statements when you hear them. Read between the lines of what people say. All I ask. 

I’m on Twitter all the time I just don’t pay attention to nameless people’s comments.  It’s a cesspool so why mud my way through junk from people that are irrelevant 

[IndyResident16]

9 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

So we need a kid to state publicly that if you are X or MM you get called thugs, not a leader, not a “smart player” and more that I won’t repeat here until we as fans realize it is a problem and needs to stop. The excuse that all fanbases do it such a passive approach.  Shouldn’t matter if it affects recruiting or not. 

you stated clearly you don’t go on Twitter. (Happens on here as well) Well, all these kids do and the comments are terrible. All while acting like the white kid never does wrong and not acknowledging he is limited.  Would just be nice to hear our “knowledgeable fanbase”  realize what the modern game takes to be successful. We need X, we need CJ, we need MM level athletes. Cupps is fine and will be a very solid 4 year guy. Measurable traits are what they are. (Speed, burst, etc) 

I will let it go as I know some are tired of hearing it. As a follow fan, do your best to squash those bias statements when you hear them. Read between the lines of what people say. All I ask. 

Good lord

[rcbowla]

It is not hard to do an assessment of players maximum capability. Also not uncommon. That isn’t writing them off. This is done for all recruting, nba draft etc. 
No, he wasn’t recruited to be a bench warmer but he wasn’t recruited to be the starting PG. how hard they went after Boogie shows you that. The staff knows he is a solid role player. Nothing wrong with that. 

This is fair. It's also fair to acknowledge a player, especially with a personality type like Gabe, can progress into something nobody thought possible. Cupps has something in him competitively (not athletically) I haven't seen since Yogi. I'm not betting against Cupps for anything.

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[Golfman25]

3 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

I’m on Twitter all the time I just don’t pay attention to nameless people’s comments.  It’s a cesspool so why mud my way through junk from people that are irrelevant 

Yeah. Most of Twitter is bots.  
 

when mak had his taco bell issue there where many people on the Facebook supporting him. So it goes both ways.  

[IndyResident16]

2 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Of course you would comment that way. Wonder why? 

How else should I respond to such nonsense? Would seek help have been more appropriate? 

[Uspshoosier]

7 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Most are not nameless as they have their name and show their IU fandom proud. Heck, we have one of them who is a sports media guy (I know, I know, DD doesn’t count)

we have a different approach to stuff like this. Is what it is. 

He counts he is definitely an irrelevant mouthpiece  that contributes to the cesspool (blocked him) that I chose not to pay attention to anything he says. 

[realTomCrean]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

He counts he is definitely an irrelevant mouthpiece  that contributes to the cesspool blocked him) that I chose not to pay attention to anything he says. 

He says some things that I agree with and make me think, "ok this guy knows IU basketball" and then he'll randomly go an assault of every player we have and coach without any reason behind it. I don't understand why he goes crazy on there sometimes. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Geez Louise.  

[CSP]

16 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

So we need a kid to state publicly that if you are X or MM you get called thugs, not a leader, not a “smart player” and more that I won’t repeat here until we as fans realize it is a problem and needs to stop. The excuse that all fanbases do it such a passive approach.  Shouldn’t matter if it affects recruiting or not. 

you stated clearly you don’t go on Twitter. (Happens on here as well) Well, all these kids do and the comments are terrible. All while acting like the white kid never does wrong and not acknowledging he is limited.  Would just be nice to hear our “knowledgeable fanbase”  realize what the modern game takes to be successful. We need X, we need CJ, we need MM level athletes. Cupps is fine and will be a very solid 4 year guy. Measurable traits are what they are. (Speed, burst, etc) 

I will let it go as I know some are tired of hearing it. As a follow fan, do your best to squash those bias statements when you hear them. Read between the lines of what people say. All I ask. 

Do you promise? 

[Uspshoosier]

7 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Geez Louise.  

 

[str8baller]

I’m still waiting on Hanner Parea to put it altogether. Now there is a sure fire pro once things click.  

[Stuhoo]

From Calbert Cheaney:

• On Indiana’s win over Army on Sunday: “Still got a long way to go. There’s a lot of new faces… last night Army came in with a mindset that ‘we’re gonna come at you guys’…The guys underestimated them.”

• Cheaney said he thinks the team has responded after the tough week but mentioned a potential disconnect between understanding the film in practice and in the film room to translating it to the game.

• Cheaney implored for the need to contest shots from beyond the arc. He said that there’s a notable dropoff in shooting percentage when shots are contested. He mentioned Indiana’s defensive mantra, that whenever someone catches the ball, they need to have a hand on him.

• On Indiana’s 3-point shooting, Cheaney thinks Indiana has the shooters to be dangerous. “We have some guys that can really shoot the ball, I think more so than last year.”

• On five-star freshman Mackenzie Mgbako: “(He needs to) continue to understand how the game is played… college game is totally different from high school. Pay attention to the details of what coach (Woodson) wants him to do, he’ll be fine.”

• Cheaney said this year’s team is more talented than last year’s IU team. “We’re bigger, we’re more athletic, we’re longer… Stay with us, we’re working on it.”

• Cheaney on freshman point guard Gabe Cupps: “We call him Iron Man … He’s got one of the best work ethics I’ve ever seen … He’s not the biggest kid, he’s not the fastest kid, but he makes up for it with a huge heart and determination. And that’s rare.”

[HoosierHoopster]

53 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Appreciate it and understand 

I would also hope you understand when I give my opinion, which is all it is, and I am told I am crazy, projecting, etc. does spark some need to defend myself.  That isn’t trying to beat someone into agreeing, I know they won’t and doesn’t matter. Simply further expressing why I feel the way I do. 

Doesn’t matter at all who is right. We don’t have any say so. I am simply stating my opinion and feel it is directionally valid when we see fans say the things they do and place guys on pedestals while trashing on other players.  We can say we don’t care what rando fans say but I care. I care about human side of this. 
 

All that being said, we will see in a few months. If MM is not playing the 4 and CJ is not progressed to where he can give 15/20 really good minutes, we will be lucky to make the tournament. That is my opinion. Always interesting to see how it plays out. 

Except for me though. I am always right.

:)

[Golfman25]

20 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

From Calbert Cheaney:

• On Indiana’s win over Army on Sunday: “Still got a long way to go. There’s a lot of new faces… last night Army came in with a mindset that ‘we’re gonna come at you guys’…The guys underestimated them.”

• Cheaney said he thinks the team has responded after the tough week but mentioned a potential disconnect between understanding the film in practice and in the film room to translating it to the game.

• Cheaney implored for the need to contest shots from beyond the arc. He said that there’s a notable dropoff in shooting percentage when shots are contested. He mentioned Indiana’s defensive mantra, that whenever someone catches the ball, they need to have a hand on him.

• On Indiana’s 3-point shooting, Cheaney thinks Indiana has the shooters to be dangerous. “We have some guys that can really shoot the ball, I think more so than last year.”

• On five-star freshman Mackenzie Mgbako: “(He needs to) continue to understand how the game is played… college game is totally different from high school. Pay attention to the details of what coach (Woodson) wants him to do, he’ll be fine.”

• Cheaney said this year’s team is more talented than last year’s IU team. “We’re bigger, we’re more athletic, we’re longer… Stay with us, we’re working on it.”

• Cheaney on freshman point guard Gabe Cupps: “We call him Iron Man … He’s got one of the best work ethics I’ve ever seen … He’s not the biggest kid, he’s not the fastest kid, but he makes up for it with a huge heart and determination. And that’s rare.”

Dude is dead on.  Hope they can work on the film study stuff -- there is an art to it and does take some time to click for some guys, especially if they didn't do much of it in HS.  

[Stuhoo]

2 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Dude is dead on.  Hope they can work on the film study stuff -- there is an art to it and does take some time to click for some guys, especially if they didn't do much of it in HS.  

Imagine that! The B1G all-time leading scorer and NBA assistant coach who is on staff and sees the players every day ... is on point!

Ima gonna go with what Calbert is thinking on this team for the time being.   :)

[go iu bb]

28 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

From Calbert Cheaney:

• On Indiana’s win over Army on Sunday: “Still got a long way to go. There’s a lot of new faces… last night Army came in with a mindset that ‘we’re gonna come at you guys’…The guys underestimated them.”

• Cheaney said he thinks the team has responded after the tough week but mentioned a potential disconnect between understanding the film in practice and in the film room to translating it to the game.

• Cheaney implored for the need to contest shots from beyond the arc. He said that there’s a notable dropoff in shooting percentage when shots are contested. He mentioned Indiana’s defensive mantra, that whenever someone catches the ball, they need to have a hand on him.

• On Indiana’s 3-point shooting, Cheaney thinks Indiana has the shooters to be dangerous. “We have some guys that can really shoot the ball, I think more so than last year.”

• On five-star freshman Mackenzie Mgbako: “(He needs to) continue to understand how the game is played… college game is totally different from high school. Pay attention to the details of what coach (Woodson) wants him to do, he’ll be fine.”

• Cheaney said this year’s team is more talented than last year’s IU team. “We’re bigger, we’re more athletic, we’re longer… Stay with us, we’re working on it.”

• Cheaney on freshman point guard Gabe Cupps: “We call him Iron Man … He’s got one of the best work ethics I’ve ever seen … He’s not the biggest kid, he’s not the fastest kid, but he makes up for it with a huge heart and determination. And that’s rare.”

psssh, what does Calbert Cheaney know? He only has the most points scored in B1G history while playing under one of the best coaches ever, spent a over a decade playing in the NBA, has been an assistance coach at both the NBA and NCAA levels, and is currently part of the staff that sees the players practice every day. So why should we listen to what he says? As an anonymous poster on the internet who never even played on my HS team, I think we should ignore what he says and instead freak out after 2 games.