*RANT HERE*

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16 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

That's not saying much.

Nevada would beat us by 20+ points.

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I don't care how it gets done whether Woody figures it out or someone else does, I just want to watch a team that plays a good style and not have to worry about whether or not they can make free throws, rebound, or play defense at a reasonable level. I know these are college kids and they will never be perfect but pretty much every time this team has lost over the last handful of years they have looked soft and inept at basic basketball skills.

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4 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

We are at his floor right now it seems. Which is missing the vNCAA tourney. He had the best player in the nation last year and we were goodish.

Yeah mostly agreed, except it's very subjective to call TJD the best player in the nation.

I will say having Xavier Johnson in the lineup all last season would have definitely changed things for the better. Xavier, along with JHS and Galloway would certainly have given us a better chance against Miami, that's for sure.

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1 minute ago, AKHoosier said:

Yeah mostly agreed, except it's very subjective to call TJD the best player in the nation.

I will say having Xavier Johnson in the lineup all last season would have definitely changed things for the better. Xavier, along with JHS and Galloway would certainly have given us a better chance against Miami, that's for sure.

I don't think JHS becomes JHS without X getting hurt.

[str8baller 5,214]

26 minutes ago, rcs29 said:

I clearly don't know the financial impact former players have on the program. Is it that substantial? I mean Woodson had a 40 year NBA career and negotiated a raise this off-season. Why wouldn't he be donating to the program or leaving $ on the table?

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I have a friend who is a pretty sizeable donor to a B1G school’s NIL. Not IU. But let’s use IU as an example, since I at least know how it works in his case. 
 

 Do you think I’d like to talk to the university president or AD? Sure. But would I rather chat basketball with Calbert Cheaney for 5min.? Absolutely.  
 

If those guys don’t want to help the program and pick up a phone or shake a hand here and there, it is much tougher to raise that money.  So if Scott May (or whoever) has the ear of a couple big donors and he gets pissed because you did Woody wrong and fired him in 3 years when you gave everyone else 4+ years, then you risk losing that connection to those donors. At least temporarily. 

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27 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Under Mike Woodson, it has been considerable. People who don't have money or donate like the Leary's and Evans complain in public. 

I trust that you either know or have a good idea of the answer to this:

If you make those guys mad (Isiah, May, etc.) I feel like they have the ability to make things hard on the next guy, directly or indirectly. Even if they aren't giving directly to the program, there's connections to non-former player money, the NBA, etc. Archie brought it on himself, but he sure wasn't getting much help from the player alumni base.

Edit: I post this at the exact time that @str8baller makes my point for me lol.

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1 minute ago, Hovadipo said:

I trust that you either know or have a good idea of the answer to this:

If you make those guys mad (Isiah, May, etc.) I feel like they have the ability to make things hard on the next guy, directly or indirectly. Even if they aren't giving directly to the program, there's connections to non-former player money, the NBA, etc. Archie brought it on himself, but he sure wasn't getting much help from the player alumni base.

You are 100% correct. You lose more than just the money. Connections to the NBA, business world, and many other things. 

Crean lost HS connections, Archie as you said didn't have former players on his side. A lot goes into these decisions.

I'm not just saying older players donate. VO, Cody, and Jefferies are all younger guys, will they continue? Hopefully but we just don't know

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If I was Mike's friend I would tell him to get out of dodge quick after the season unless he's very confident he can put an excellent team on the floor next season.  I just don't know anyone who really liked this hire.  Everyone seems done to me.  It's gonna get a lot worse next season I fear and Woody doesn't deserve that.  Think the Mike Davis blackout game vs Iowa where he called in "sick" or the Crean family being harassed in restaurants.  Could get even uglier.  Dolson is in a tough spot if Woody isn't ready to move on.

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The Nebraska loss was tough because it wasn't really close and they put up 86 on us. 

The Rutgers loss was hard because they were basically giving the game away and we declined at every opportunity.

There are ups and downs to every season but this one's had very tiny ups and very, very low downs, so far. 

The body language from the staff/players/how they interact with each other looked SO off to me yesterday. 

All we can do is hope they turn it around but there's little reason to be optimistic about that or next year as of today. 

Good thing they play again on Friday... ready to flush yesterday's ****! 

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Since this is the rant thread... 

This offseason is going to be VERY interesting. Let's just say they go 18-13/17-14 and miss the tournament.

In a bad case scenario  (not worst) where Ware goes pro, Mack and Banks transfer, etc... we could realistically end up only returning Cupps, Gallo, McNeeley, Sparks, Gunn(?). At that rate, based on how this staff managed the portal, we're likely to end up even more shorthanded then this season. If we only like to swing for homeruns and don't hit on them all, or all except for 1 or 2, you're in very precarious waters. 

I guess what I'm getting at is, coming off a bad year with a bunch of roster turnover and an already older coach... seems to me that a new hire would be able to step into that situation with more momentum behind them than we'd have otherwise waffling in a 4th year. 

Of course this year isn't over, so if Woody can right the ship, maybe he buys himself another season. It just sucks how hard it is to believe that could actually happen at this point. 

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7 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

If I was Mike's friend I would tell him to get out of dodge quick after the season unless he's very confident he can put an excellent team on the floor next season.  I just don't know anyone who really liked this hire.  Everyone seems done to me.  It's gonna get a lot worse next season I fear and Woody doesn't deserve that.  Think the Mike Davis blackout game vs Iowa where he called in "sick" or the Crean family being harassed in restaurants.  Could get even uglier.  Dolson is in a tough spot if Woody isn't ready to move on.

Have you spoken to Quinn Buckner? He loved this hire along with Isiah. 

Quinn, Scott, and Terri need to sit him down & say you don't need this anymore. You don't need the long hours, the plane trips, the AAU tournaments. Spend the rest of the time rooting on the next coach, playing golf, smoking cigars, sipping wine, and enjoying your new grandbaby. Thos are the only people he is going to listen to, along with his daughters. 

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Re-hire Tom Crean "It's Indiana, It's Indiana" 

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1 minute ago, realTomCrean said:

Re-hire Tom Crean "It's Indiana, It's Indiana" 

What's funny is when you see what people describe what they want IU basketball to be, they essentially describe Crean's time here, yet people hated him for it. Fun, entertaining basketball, making tournaments, winning big ten titles. Crean with the portal and NIL would've been fun to watch.

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2 minutes ago, GoIU8 said:

What's funny is when you see what people describe what they want IU basketball to be, they essentially describe Crean's time here, yet people hated him for it. Fun, entertaining basketball, making tournaments, winning big ten titles. Crean with the portal and NIL would've been fun to watch.

He could  hire John Harbaugh to coach the defense

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3 minutes ago, GoIU8 said:

What's funny is when you see what people describe what they want IU basketball to be, they essentially describe Crean's time here, yet people hated him for it. Fun, entertaining basketball, making tournaments, winning big ten titles. Crean with the portal and NIL would've been fun to watch.

It was a hell of a lot better than we've had since. His problem was just being a weirdo and losing trust it HS coaches.

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Just now, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

It was a hell of a lot better than we've had since. His problem was just being a weirdo and losing trust it HS coaches.

He was very weird, but it kinda fits with Bloomington. We worried too much about local HS recruiting. The portal has rendered it more or less obsolete. Almost no one recruits in just their backyard anymore. We hated how he constantly churned through players, now that practice is commonplace. If we had just chilled a bit and realized he was actually a good coach, he would still be winning big here in this era.

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8 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

It was a hell of a lot better than we've had since. His problem was just being a weirdo and losing trust it HS coaches.

Good man but very, very weird.

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1 minute ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Good man but very, very weird.

Who you calling weird buddy? 

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1 minute ago, GoIU8 said:

He was very weird, but it kinda fits with Bloomington. We worried too much about local HS recruiting. The portal has rendered it more or less obsolete. Almost no one recruits in just their backyard anymore. We hated how he constantly churned through players, now that practice is commonplace. If we had just chilled a bit and realized he was actually a good coach, he would still be winning big here in this era.

The problem with Crean is that very little of what he did was sustainable. In 2013, he had Kenpom's #2 offense. The following year it was #126. He HAD to have certain types of players to make things work. If he didn't have those players, he was screwed. And I'm not sure he even knew what kind of players he wanted or needed. There was never any rhyme or reason to who he offered, and he offered practically any player he came across. 

 

He was like an artist who gets halfway through a drawing and then throws it in the trash because he thought of something better, only the next idea wasn't better, it was just different. 

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1 minute ago, TheWatShot said:

The problem with Crean is that very little of what he did was sustainable. In 2013, he had Kenpom's #2 offense. The following year it was #126. He HAD to have certain types of players to make things work. If he didn't have those players, he was screwed. And I'm not sure he even knew what kind of players he wanted or needed. There was never any rhyme or reason to who he offered, and he offered practically any player he came across. 

 

He was like an artist who gets halfway through a drawing and then throws it in the trash because he thought of something better, only the next idea wasn't better, it was just different. 

Pretty spot on.  I always figured him for the kind of man who turns on Netflix at 8 pm and spends 2 whole hours trying to decide which show or movie he wants to watch before watching it for 5 minutes and then turning it off to pick something else.