*RANT HERE*

[Chris007 44,115]

3 minutes ago, Trish said:

People were trashing me for not wanting Woodson and keeping Archie. The only reason I wanted to keep Archie is so Indiana doesn’t hire a treadmill coach (which Indiana has now). I would’ve rather waited a year and seen what’s on the market the following year. Indiana is wasting time at the moment imo.

Fans love to spend other people's money. Then say crazy things like just go out and get so and so coach. Just go hire Drew. Drew just opened up a new 220 million dollar facility at Baylor, getting paid great but he's going to leave all of that to come back to Bloomington. Drew is from Valpo, has no ties to Bloomington

[Trish 11,611]

6 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Fans love to spend other people's money. Then say crazy things like just go out and get so and so coach. Just go hire Drew. Drew just opened up a new 220 million dollar facility at Baylor, getting paid great but he's going to leave all of that to come back to Bloomington. Drew is from Valpo, has no ties to Bloomington

Agreed. I was holding out for Stevens or Beard. But when I think about it now, I don’t know who I would personally hire outside of Dusty May. Even Dusty is likely a risk a bit perhaps. 
 

[JSHoosier 20,280]

12 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Woodson never should’ve been hired. He was a middling NBA head coach (46.3% record) who hadn’t had a head coaching job in almost a decade. He recently had no job at all for two seasons (18/19 and 19/20). He was hired for one reason and one reason only - the college he went to more than three decades prior. 

He inherited TJD from Archie, and TJD carried the team for the next two seasons. Without TJD, well, we don’t look so hot. 

I’d be fine with getting rid of Woodson today, but the IU administration won’t replace him with anyone better. The days of a powerhouse iubb program are long gone. 

Yep, people say he was a backup to Stevens but if he didn't play at IU no one would've wanted him; NBA teams didn't want him anymore.

If the backup option was a guy in his 60s that hadn't been a HC in a decade then Dolson may have been drunk. If he gave a 60 year old that hadn't been a HC in a decade that kind of buyout then Dolson had to be drunk, or got completely schooled by another agent.

[TheWatShot 14,053]

12 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

My only issue with splitting from Woody after year 3 is the message that it sends to potential coaches... but the more I chew in this, maybe it's the right message: "Come to Indiana. Build a Winner. Or get fired." 

Worrying about sending the wrong message to coaches is what causes us to keep failing coaches around for too long. UK fired Gillespie after two years when it was obvious he was a bad fit. Louisville will probably do that with Payne this spring. Archie Miller should have been gone after 2 seasons but we gave him 4. A winning coach isn't going to care about the message potentially being sent because he'll be confident in his own abilities and failure won't be an option for him. We've had nearly two decades of excuse-making, fear-mongering coaches and it shows. 

[Chris007 44,115]

Just now, Trish said:

Agreed. I was holding out for Stevens or Beard. But when I think about it now, I don’t know who I would personally hire outside of Dusty May. Even Dusty is likely a risk a bit perhaps. 
 

Exactly how do we know last season wasn't his Archie Miller NCAA run? Micah hasn't won enough and his style is Woodson-level boring. Lewis sucks at Ball St 

[JSHoosier 20,280]

Just now, TheWatShot said:

Worrying about sending the wrong message to coaches is what causes us to keep failing coaches around for too long. UK fired Gillespie after two years when it was obvious he was a bad fit. Louisville will probably do that with Payne this spring. Archie Miller should have been gone after 2 seasons but we gave him 4. A winning coach isn't going to care about the message potentially being sent because he'll be confident in his own abilities and failure won't be an option for him. We've had nearly two decades of excuse-making, fear-mongering coaches and it shows. 

I still contend Crean should've been fired when he managed to miss the NIT with 2 burger boys on the roster.

[Chris007 44,115]

2 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Worrying about sending the wrong message to coaches is what causes us to keep failing coaches around for too long. UK fired Gillespie after two years when it was obvious he was a bad fit. Louisville will probably do that with Payne this spring. Archie Miller should have been gone after 2 seasons but we gave him 4. A winning coach isn't going to care about the message potentially being sent because he'll be confident in his own abilities and failure won't be an option for him. We've had nearly two decades of excuse-making, fear-mongering coaches and it shows. 

Now do the same speech with fans. Let's look in the mirror and say we've had some crappy fans in this program for at least the last 25 years.

[JSHoosier 20,280]

4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Now do the same speech with fans. Let's look in the mirror and say we've had some crappy fans in this program for at least the last 25 years.

I was wondering how long it'd take for the blame the fans fallback to show up. Staff isn't getting it done? Crappy fans. Staff didn't assemble a good roster? Fans didn't know who to get.

[Chris007 44,115]

Just now, JSHoosier said:

I was wondering how long it'd take for the blame the fans fallback to show up. Staff isn't getting it done? Crappy fans. Staff didn't assemble a good roster? Fans didn't know who to get.

Both can be true. The staff can not be getting it done and have crappy fans. It's not exclusive to one or the other. But I understand most don't like self reflection and for good reason

[Chris007 44,115]

2 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

I was wondering how long it'd take for the blame the fans fallback to show up. Staff isn't getting it done? Crappy fans. Staff didn't assemble a good roster? Fans didn't know who to get.

There hasn't been a loss since Mike Davis was the coach that an IU fan hasn't said to fire the coach. Or that was the wrong hire

[Kentuckysucks 2,265]

14 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Now do the same speech with fans. Let's look in the mirror and say we've had some crappy fans in this program for at least the last 25 years.

The problem is the administration keeps hiring guys the fan base never wanted.  I have a long list of family and friends that attended IU and are huge basketball fans.  The only hire after Bobby that any really supported was Sampson.  Most of the fans are already rooting for loses to speed up the firing process before the coach has even coached his first game.  Bring in Beard, Pearl, or Marshall and the fans would all rally behind them.  You're probably right about Drew but he was very doable when we fired Archie imo.  Dusty May be a grand slam.  We just don't know with him.

Whenever Woody is canned the administration needs to do what it hasn't done before...give the fans what they want.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,691]

6 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Both can be true. The staff can not be getting it done and have crappy fans. It's not exclusive to one or the other. But I understand most don't like self reflection and for good reason

The administration better be happy to have us as fans. We keep having to deal with this garbage the last 20 years and keep coming back. At this point, just taking advantage of us.

[Hovadipo 56,315]

5 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

There hasn't been a loss since Mike Davis was the coach that an IU fan hasn't said to fire the coach. Or that was the wrong hire

In fact, you could copy and paste the last 12 hours of back and forth for every loss since I've been on IU message boards.

Coping, or whatever it is, is like clockwork lol.

[Chris007 44,115]

Just now, Kentuckysucks said:

The problem is the administration keeps hiring guys the fan base never wanted.  I have a long list of family and friends that attended IU and are huge basketball fans.  The only hire after Bobby that any really supported was Sampson.  The problem is the administration keeps hiring guys the fans don't want.  Most of the fans are already rooting for loses to speed up the firing process before the coach has even coached his first game.  Bring in Beard, Pearl, or Marshall and the fans would all rally behind them.  You're probably right about Drew but he was very doable when we fired Archie imo.  Dusty May be a grand slam.  We just don't know with him.

Whenever Woody is canned the administration needs to do what it hasn't done before...give the fans what they want.

Who do the fans want? Whatever answer you give I bet we can find all kinds of fans who disagree. Most of the time it's someone that would have no interest in the job. We're a blue blood in name but we haven't been relevant in over 25 years. 

[Chris007 44,115]

1 minute ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

The administration better be happy to have us as fans. We keep having to deal with this garbage the last 20 years and keep coming back. At this point, just taking advantage of us.

In my best sarcastic voice We're all very happy to have you as a fan

[Hoosierfan2017 21,503]

9 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Both can be true. The staff can not be getting it done and have crappy fans. It's not exclusive to one or the other. But I understand most don't like self reflection and for good reason

The fact the fans still show up and largely pack Assembly Hall despite the product on its court over the past 25 years directly contradicts the “crappy fans” angle. As for random ‘fans’ tweeting mean things, Duke or Kentucky fans would have burned down their arenas at this point. IU fans are tame in comparison. 

[JSHoosier 20,280]

7 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Both can be true. The staff can not be getting it done and have crappy fans. It's not exclusive to one or the other. But I understand most don't like self reflection and for good reason

Fans for UK, Duke, Kansas, etc would be just as vocal as we have been. Those programs never would've looked at Woodsin but that's beside the point.

Fan is short for fanatic, they will react and with the dumpster we've seen the last 20+ years the reaction won't be pleasant. Especially not since IU essentially gave itself the death penalty for something no serious program would report (and isn't illegal now) after the best hire they've made since RMK.

[JSHoosier 20,280]

Just now, Hoosierfan2017 said:

The fact the fans still show up and largely pack Assembly Hall despite the product on its court over the past 25 years directly contradicts the “crappy fans” angle. As for random ‘fans’ tweeting mean things, Duke or Kentucky fans would have burned down their arenas at this point. IU fans are tame in comparison. 

Fan support is one of the few things this program has consistently had.

[IU_FanClub 1,680]

There is no good answer to this situation. We are in hell. Let's just hope we can find a way to make the tournament. Doesn't seem to be a clear cut, realistic replacement out there. Depressing stuff!

[HinnyHoosier 4,997]

21 minutes ago, Trish said:

Agreed. I was holding out for Stevens or Beard. But when I think about it now, I don’t know who I would personally hire outside of Dusty May. Even Dusty is likely a risk a bit perhaps. 
 

Some might want to string me up for this, but show me Bruce Pearl on the Indiana sideline.