IUBB at Xavier - Friday, 11/18/22 @ 6:00 on FS1

[Joe_hoopsier]

4 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

In the end, we showed Xavier our Johnson.

And ours was bigger. 

[HoosierAloha]

7 hours ago, BGleas said:

Agree. I don't get the Kopp hate. Would be ideal to have a better player at that spot? Sure, of course. But that doesn't exist on this roster, at least not yet. 

Kopp is a solid shooter and a threat defenses have to respect. One more three last night and he's 2-5 and nobody is complaining. 

Beyond that, he plays good, tough perimeter defense, knows and understands the system on both ends, doesn't really turn it over, etc.  

Until Bates, or someone else, steps up their game, shows they understand the system and is consistent defensively, Kopp is the best option. 

Coaches play the guys they trust. 

Agree about a better option but Kopp is not good. Kopp had two silly turnovers that counted as turnovers and at least two other shots that were turnovers. He shouldn't shoot anything inside the arc, ever. He airballed a floater (?) bad. He chucked one that wasn't close to going in. (up against the shot clock). He wasn't as bad in this game but he is consistently over helping, leaving his man for WIDE OPEN looks from deep.

If he would have doubled his makes on just one more shot... he's a little above average at the one thing we need him to be great.

[HoosierAloha]

4 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Do we FINALLY HAVE SOME DAWGS?

10 years after WayneFleek begged for some Dogssss.

dmXavier Johnson gonna give to ya!


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I believe we have two and possibly a third. I wish that included our best player. It's nice to have nice young men on the team but they just don't have that switch they can turn it on.

[HoosierX]

26 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Agree about a better option but Kopp is not good. Kopp had two silly turnovers that counted as turnovers and at least two other shots that were turnovers. He shouldn't shoot anything inside the arc, ever. He airballed a floater (?) bad. He chucked one that wasn't close to going in. (up against the shot clock). He wasn't as bad in this game but he is consistently over helping, leaving his man for WIDE OPEN looks from deep.

If he would have doubled his makes on just one more shot... he's a little above average at the one thing we need him to be great.

You are the only one banging the drum on kopp overhelping. He is actually a pretty good off ball defender.

[Alford Bailey]

Would have liked to see us handle being up 8 late in the game a little better but still say we gutted out a tough road win. Next.

[cthomas]

3 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Would have liked to see us handle being up 8 late in the game a little better but still say we gutted out a tough road win. Next.

Agree100%. Have to think as guys continue to play real games we improve in all areas. Sometimes guys look great in practice because they know each other so well. It's a different story when seeing an opponent for the first time. Good film for the coaches.

[HoosierAloha]

1 hour ago, HoosierX said:

You are the only one banging the drum on kopp overhelping. He is actually a pretty good off ball defender.

He is good at chasing the opponents "shooter." If you have the games recorded from last season go back and watch Kopp on defense. He consistently over helped and lacked the quickness to get back out to his man. This happened over and over and over again in games. He gets confused in ball screens too and where the "My bad" originated. You don't have to take my word for it. Here are the stats to back up that he is not a good defender.

Kopp is an above (?) average shooter that does little else. He doesn't defend well, his rebounding is pretty much nonexistent, the majority of shots inside the arc are turnovers, and he rarely assists. He spreads the floor?

[CSP]

Kopp isn't the one who over helps. Race and XJ are. Film shows that. 

[cthomas]

Incredibly hostile environment. Really good opponent. I thought we saw a little of who was ready for that and who wasn't. Our performance overall was closer to our floor than our ceiling. Good to get the win, thank you TJD, and learn something about our team.

[HoosierAloha]

Kopp isn't the one who over helps. Race and XJ are. Film shows that. 

XJ had a very Kopp-esque over help at the top of the key in the first half.


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[Josh]

3 hours ago, Tasmanian Devil said:

https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/35055281
 

Take a look at Freemantle. 
 

Does he say something or look? Yeah.

Does he stop and do it? No.

If you’re going to do it, don’t be obvious.

Buuuuut...he deserved a tech.  Right?  And him not getting one was one-sided officiating, right?

[Tasmanian Devil]

Just now, Josh said:

Buuuuut...he deserved a tech.  Right?  And him not getting one was one-sided officiating, right?

Did he deserve a tech or not isn’t the question. It’s was he obvious as X or Malik were.

And the answer is no.

[HoosierTrav]

12 hours ago, Honkyman said:

It is not realistic to watch IU's performance against Xavier and believe we will beat North Carolina, Kansas and Arizona. Maybe IU beats Arizona if TJD and X shoot as well as they did against Xavier. The team looked like they did much of last year with the addition of Reneau, who looks ready make an impact. Hood-Schafino appears to be a very talented player except he can't shoot. Geronimo looked just as lost on defense as he did most of the time last year. Bates and Galloway scored zero points between them. Race Thompson was zero for four from 3-point range. Maybe IU is a top 25 team, but definitely not a top 10 team which means it is highly unlikely they will beat bona fide top 10 teams like North Carolina and Kansas.

Disagree completely. That Xavier team is tough and we had to be at least 10 points better than them bc that home crowd was worth at least that much. We beat Xavier by a minimum of 10 at AH. Kansas barely eeked out a home W against mighty Southern Utah today. UNC has nearly gotten beat at home by teams FAR worse than Xavier. “Bona Fide”…… pfft. This Hoosiers team is right up there with those guys. Everyone can get touched this season. 

[HoosierTrav]

1 hour ago, HoosierAloha said:

He is good at chasing the opponents "shooter." If you have the games recorded from last season go back and watch Kopp on defense. He consistently over helped and lacked the quickness to get back out to his man. This happened over and over and over again in games. He gets confused in ball screens too and where the "My bad" originated. You don't have to take my word for it. Here are the stats to back up that he is not a good defender.

Kopp is an above (?) average shooter that does little else. He doesn't defend well, his rebounding is pretty much nonexistent, the majority of shots inside the arc are turnovers, and he rarely assists. He spreads the floor?

!!!!

[Tasmanian Devil]

47 minutes ago, cthomas said:

Incredibly hostile environment. Really good opponent. I thought we saw a little of who was ready for that and who wasn't. Our performance overall was closer to our floor than our ceiling. Good to get the win, thank you TJD, and learn something about our team.

Excellent points.

Trayce was an absolute man. Xavier had no one who could stop him.

[Josh]

20 minutes ago, Tasmanian Devil said:

Did he deserve a tech or not isn’t the question. It’s was he obvious as X or Malik were.

And the answer is no.

It was my question.  Do you think he deserved a tech?  Shouldn't he have gotten one?

[Tasmanian Devil]

Just now, Josh said:

It was my question.  Do you think he deserved a tech?  Shouldn't he have gotten one?

In my opinion, he wasn’t overly demonstrative to draw attention of the official, whereas X and Malik were.

The Xavier player who should have gotten T’d up was Jones when he fouled out. He was bitching in a very demonstrably fashion and most certainly deserved one.

Anyone upset that it wasn’t called “evenly” isn’t being realistic. It’s a road game. What SHOULD happen vs what does is a reality you have to deal with. What is encouraging, though, is even though we got called for two techs and Xavier wasn’t T’d up when they probably deserved to be, we still left town with a win.

[Southside]

27 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

Disagree completely. That Xavier team is tough and we had to be at least 10 points better than them bc that home crowd was worth at least that much. We beat Xavier by a minimum of 10 at AH. Kansas barely eeked out a home W against mighty Southern Utah today. UNC has nearly gotten beat at home by teams FAR worse than Xavier. “Bona Fide”…… pfft. This Hoosiers team is right up there with those guys. Everyone can get touched this season. 

Won't pretend that I think we are ready for UNC or Kansas, but the Xavier win will likely "age well"... 

Xavier will win a lot of games, and might be a dance team. 

Good road win. Just need to keep improving. 

[cthomas]

9 minutes ago, Tasmanian Devil said:

In my opinion, he wasn’t overly demonstrative to draw attention of the official, whereas X and Malik were.

The Xavier player who should have gotten T’d up was Jones when he fouled out. He was bitching in a very demonstrably fashion and most certainly deserved one.

Anyone upset that it wasn’t called “evenly” isn’t being realistic. It’s a road game. What SHOULD happen vs what does is a reality you have to deal with. What is encouraging, though, is even though we got called for two techs and Xavier wasn’t T’d up when they probably deserved to be, we still left town with a win.

Very fair and realistic take. Can't expect to get the 50-50 calls on the road. I watched the game after the fact and thought that our guys didn't deserve the criticism they got in the game thread. Also didn't think the officiating was that bad. I didn't agree with the techs but I wasn't where the officials were and didn't hear or see what they did. I don't think they set out to give one team or the other an advantage. Overall, I'm happy to get a road win over a good team that will win a lot of games. A year ago I believe we lose that game.

[DChoosier]

1 hour ago, Tasmanian Devil said:

In my opinion, he wasn’t overly demonstrative to draw attention of the official, whereas X and Malik were.

 

Do you really think Maliks T was demonstrative?
X’s was iffy but Malik’s T was a joke.