IU Basketball News and Notes

[Hovadipo 61,698]

13 minutes ago, Demo said:

Has anything come out about streaming? I’ve not seen anything but surely someone’s doing it. It’d be straight stealing money. Hit me for $20 a game and I’m gonna give’em $60.

I remember having to watch the Bahamas games from someone's (might have been The Dorks?) Facebook live lol.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 92,223]

2 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

I remember having to watch the Bahamas games from someone's (might have been The Dorks?) Facebook live lol.

For some crazy reason - probably early senility - I'm thinking they even attempted to stop people from using their cell phones to film the Bahamas games.

[Hovadipo 61,698]

11 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

For some crazy reason - probably early senility - I'm thinking they even attempted to stop people from using their cell phones to film the Bahamas games.

That sounds right. I think we got cut off at some point. Then they were uploaded to Youtube later on maybe? But the rules around exhibitions have changed so much in the last few years that I'm hoping we get something semi-official.

[HoosierHoopster 8,660]

19 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

For some crazy reason - probably early senility - I'm thinking they even attempted to stop people from using their cell phones to film the Bahamas games.

Are you sure it isn't actually late senility? 

:)

[Class of '66 Old Fart 92,223]

4 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Are you sure it isn't actually late senility? 

:)

[Demo 24,359]

32 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

For some crazy reason - probably early senility - I'm thinking they even attempted to stop people from using their cell phones to film the Bahamas games.

Seem to recall that as well.

How nuts is this? College sports is this insane money-making machine but streaming off season games that people can’t get to is somehow beyond the pale? 

[Home Jersey 16,491]

This week would be a great week for somebody in the NCAA headquarters to go ahead and approve Goode’s waiver… 

How long can they drag this out?

[68Hoosier 1,340]

3 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

This week would be a great week for somebody in the NCAA headquarters to go ahead and approve Goode’s waiver… 

How long can they drag this out?

With the NCAA, possibly up until the night before the first game.  :)

 

[Uspshoosier 54,601]

17 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Rothstein places Indiana 15th……..   in the Big 18.  

https://collegehoopstoday.net/rothstein-files/big-ten-offseason-breakdown-5/
swing and miss for Jon last year.  Had them 2nd out of 18 

[jermhoosierfan 370]

20 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

https://collegehoopstoday.net/rothstein-files/big-ten-offseason-breakdown-5/
swing and miss for Jon last year.  Had them 2nd out of 18 

He didn't take into account the brilliance of the King of Indiana in those rankings.

[LIHoosier 27,847]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

https://collegehoopstoday.net/rothstein-files/big-ten-offseason-breakdown-5/
swing and miss for Jon last year.  Had them 2nd out of 18 

With that big of a whiff, you'd think he'd cover baseball.

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,672]

Genuinely curious how the fanbase (not the BTB sunshine pumpers) responds to this years team. Feel like it could be slow out of the gate and if not winning could be a rough start to things. Hoping for the Cignetti, pack the stadium by winning approach is the way it goes. It kinda feels like a school transitioning away from basketball and pivoting towards football. The fanfare and online enthusiasm for this team is as low as I can remember since Crean’s start. Clearly this isn’t Crean level talent but in a todays version of college basketball arms race we are behind the 8 ball. I can’t fathom a school touting itself as a top 10 NIL program building such an unheralded roster. For the millionth time this off-season I hope DeVries is a basketball savant and sees things the entire basketball landscape doesn’t.


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[WayneFleekHoosier 51,672]

And can any of the Mods stop these Temu ad posts filling up the site?


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[RaceToTheTop 31,475]

29 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

And can any of the Mods stop these Temu ad posts filling up the site?


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After three years of having a Temu coach, we expect more.

[Home Jersey 16,491]

10 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Genuinely curious how the fanbase (not the BTB sunshine pumpers) responds to this years team. Feel like it could be slow out of the gate and if not winning could be a rough start to things. Hoping for the Cignetti, pack the stadium by winning approach is the way it goes. It kinda feels like a school transitioning away from basketball and pivoting towards football. The fanfare and online enthusiasm for this team is as low as I can remember since Crean’s start. Clearly this isn’t Crean level talent but in a todays version of college basketball arms race we are behind the 8 ball. I can’t fathom a school touting itself as a top 10 NIL program building such an unheralded roster. For the millionth time this off-season I hope DeVries is a basketball savant and sees things the entire basketball landscape doesn’t.


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Agree it could be slow out of the gate in terms of enthusiasm. “If not winning could be a rough start to things” definitely on the recruiting front IMO. But I would be very surprised if the fanbase (those in Assembly Hall for games) show any frustration beyond the usual amount that passionate college fans do.

I like that DDV has consistently made it a talking point that the staff knows what the fanbase expects and they expect the same thing, more, and accountable for delivering that. UConn fans booed at some point last year because of poor defensive play/effort and I could certainly see something like that happening. But the vast majority of the stadium 98% of the time is going to do the usual clapping and cheering and support the team through the ups and the downs, as they should. That’s sort of the pact between the program and the fanbase as a university community IMO. Hurley pushed back gently. Woody turned it into an “us vs. them” thing with the fans.

I think DDV will have a much better culture in place, which makes me optimistic, even knowing it’s going to be a Y1 of growing pains with a brand new roster and staff. I’m very excited to follow the building of a new foundation for IUBB and DDV’s deep involvement in building Creighton across the Altman to McDermott years into what it is today makes me optimistic. He showed some good stuff at Drake and WVU… he came here to get the resources to win. We’ll see how well he used them after they’ve played a few games. I’ll reserve judgement on roster construction until I see it in action at this point. Stands to reason that building a brand new team (1-13) makes it tougher to allocate NIL dollars efficiently.

With that in mind, hopefully DDV has been intentional about the multi year players and has a vision for the portal / this freshman class. I think he has. During Y2 we’ll be able to judge the foundation he’s built and how effectively he’s allocated his resources. Then, IMO his success here will come down to his ability to be constructive, hold others accountable and continue evolving as a coach.

It’s possible he will need more resources than he’s currently getting and if that’s so, IUFB continuing to improve will only further enable that. I’m very pleased we have a football program worth following and rooting for while we wait for IUBB to come around. And if that gives the new team and staff some room to breathe and get on their feet and form their new identity, it’s all the better. Hopefully Cig’s winning ways rubs off on the bball program too. 

[OGIUAndy 1,140]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Genuinely curious how the fanbase (not the BTB sunshine pumpers) responds to this years team. Feel like it could be slow out of the gate and if not winning could be a rough start to things. Hoping for the Cignetti, pack the stadium by winning approach is the way it goes. It kinda feels like a school transitioning away from basketball and pivoting towards football. The fanfare and online enthusiasm for this team is as low as I can remember since Crean’s start. Clearly this isn’t Crean level talent but in a todays version of college basketball arms race we are behind the 8 ball. I can’t fathom a school touting itself as a top 10 NIL program building such an unheralded roster. For the millionth time this off-season I hope DeVries is a basketball savant and sees things the entire basketball landscape doesn’t.


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For the millionth time, we get it. This is part of the reason some people are probably tuning out on the boards to be honest. Rehashing the same opinion over and over before a second of play. 

[Stuhoo 90,321]

10 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Genuinely curious how the fanbase (not the BTB sunshine pumpers) responds to this years team. Feel like it could be slow out of the gate and if not winning could be a rough start to things. Hoping for the Cignetti, pack the stadium by winning approach is the way it goes. It kinda feels like a school transitioning away from basketball and pivoting towards football. The fanfare and online enthusiasm for this team is as low as I can remember since Crean’s start. Clearly this isn’t Crean level talent but in a todays version of college basketball arms race we are behind the 8 ball. I can’t fathom a school touting itself as a top 10 NIL program building such an unheralded roster. For the millionth time this off-season I hope DeVries is a basketball savant and sees things the entire basketball landscape doesn’t.


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I’m sure I don’t care how heralded the roster is. I can clearly see what a heralded roster gets us when combined with substandard coaching and scheme.

Agreed— the average ‘non-sunshine pumped” fan may be less excited by a roster that doesn’t include big names like Ballo, Reneau, Mgbako, Myles Rice, and Kanaan Carlyle (those were the big names on last year's roster) and the average fan would very likely have preferred a bigger name coach like 72 year old Pitino or dirtbag Wade. I don’t pay heed to that either.

None of this means that Devries will succeed greatly; the trick is to win consistently at IU and that remains to be seen. But I'm glad we hired a relatively young yet experienced college lifer with a pretty strong pedigree. I am also glad that Devries prioritizes proven shooting over other attributes, figuring that he can teach defense and effort to a shooter, but it’s far more difficult to do the converse.

Now, all he needs to do is win consistently. If he wins all of the fanbase accolades will follow. And I am quite sure it is way too early to opine on whether this roster, coaching, and scheme will produce that.

[Pagoda 5,176]

An indicator folks might consider is Rod Clark, our last senior staff hire.  UT MBB has a lot of money and is coming off two Elite 8's.  Rod got to take a very close look -- 1,000x closer than any talking head who posts preseason rankings for clicks -- at our new staff, roster, and overall program.  He was comfortable enough to leave a wealthy top program and join IU.  That seems to be a good sign.

I don't really follow the roster angst.  We have the 10th ranked portal class.  Last year UK was 5th and UL was 27th -- we seem to be within range of the two total portal rebuild schools that had decent first years with their new coach.  If Goode gets his waiver Torvik has us around #30-35, which seems to be a fine starting spot.

I don't see IU transitioning from basketball.  Our roster payroll is #10-15 in the country, but don't forget our staff/program budget (all the non-player stuff) is top-5.  IU still pumps a lot into hoops.  And I'm definitely not worried about our fans.  Frankly, they like basketball too much.  The support this program gets after stinking up the joint for a quarter century is quite honestly absurd.  I'm way more worried about how much we can ramp up support for football.

At the end of the day CDD inherited basically nothing useable from Woody and had to rebuild from scratch.  Turning around anything (programs/businesses/organizations/whatever) takes time.  We're just over three months in.  So far things look okay and it's way too early to know how this will go.  

[str8baller 7,703]

8 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

The fanfare and online enthusiasm for this team is as low as I can remember since Crean’s start.

This is hard for me to fathom. If nothing else my friends seem to be excited to start anew (again). At least in various text threads I have going I’d put the excitement level above: 

-The last two Woody seasons

-nearly every Archie season 

-at least the first 3 and last 3 Crean seasons

-the last few Davis seasons. 
 

Those were all “dead” seasons where IU was running out a coach who clearly wasn’t good enough to be here (or the roster wasn’t in the case of Creans first 3 seasons).  
 

Sadly the above represents over half the seasons of the last couple decades. So next years unknown gets the excitement level in the upper half just by default. 
 

I’d bet IU fans pack Assembly Hall and cheer like crazy nearly the whole season like they have for every coach before. The fans rarely turn on a regime before they’ve clearly proven that they’re not the answer. That usually takes a couple years at least. 

[HoosierHoopster 8,660]

9 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

Agree it could be slow out of the gate in terms of enthusiasm. “If not winning could be a rough start to things” definitely on the recruiting front IMO. But I would be very surprised if the fanbase (those in Assembly Hall for games) show any frustration beyond the usual amount that passionate college fans do. I like that DDV has consistently made it a talking point that the staff knows what the fanbase expects and they expect the same thing, more, and accountable for delivering that. UConn fans booed at some point last year because of poor defensive play/effort and I could certainly see something like that happening. But the vast majority of the stadium 98% of the time is going to do the usual clapping and cheering and support the team through the ups and the downs, as they should. That’s sort of the pact between the program and the fanbase as a university community IMO. Hurley pushed back gently. Woody turned it into an “us vs. them” thing with the fans. I think DDV will have a much better culture in place, which makes me optimistic, even knowing it’s going to be a Y1 of growing pains with a brand new roster and staff. I’m very excited to follow the building of a new foundation for IUBB and DDV’s deep involvement in building Creighton across the Altman to McDermott years into what it is today makes me optimistic. He showed some good stuff at Drake and WVU… he came here to get the resources to win. We’ll see how well he used them after they’ve played a few games. I’ll reserve judgement on roster construction until I see it in action at this point. Stands to reason that building a brand new team (1-13) makes it tougher to allocate NIL dollars efficiently. With that in mind, hopefully DDV has been intentional about the multi year players and has a vision for the portal / this freshman class. I think he has. During Y2 we’ll be able to judge the foundation he’s built and how effectively he’s allocated his resources. Then, IMO his success here will come down to his ability to be constructive, hold others accountable and continue evolving as a coach. It’s possible he will need more resources than he’s currently getting and if that’s so, IUFB continuing to improve will only further enable that. I’m very pleased we have a football program worth following and rooting for while we wait for IUBB to come around. And if that gives the new team and staff some room to breathe and get on their feet and form their new identity, it’s all the better. Hopefully Cig’s winning ways rubs off on the bball program too. 

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