TJD is BACK

[Hoosierfan2017]

Surprised by Phinisee’s inclusion. Didn’t figure him as one of the malcontents.

[coonhounds]

More importantly who the he'll wants to read a book about last season especially if a bunch of transfers are writing it? Enjoy your new schools as for iu were building and moving on. Hopefully tjd and next year's squad can have a season worth writing a book about in a positive way

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[lillurk]

17 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Surprised by Phinisee’s inclusion. Didn’t figure him as one of the malcontents.

He’s seemed congenial with TJD, even getting a positive mention on the Hysterics podcast. Wonder if fans were tweeting, or friends texting, or there’s some other undercurrent?

[lillurk]

22 minutes ago, CharlotteHoosier16 said:

 

At least two of these guys seem a liiiiitttttle too defensive on this. I didn’t see a soul mention names. TJD played on two IU teams (plus HS and AAU teams) before this. No one’s saying your name!

[cthomas]

17 minutes ago, lillurk said:

At least two of these guys seem a liiiiitttttle too defensive on this. I didn’t see a soul mention names. TJD played on two IU teams (plus HS and AAU teams) before this. No one’s saying your name!

I'm sure there were some hard conversations after the season ended. Probably didn't go the way some wanted. I'm not going to say anything negative about these young men and wish them much success at their current schools. My advice to them would be to let the past go and embrace the future.

[Stuhoo]

Race Thompson and Parker Stewart? Not great fans of each other.

Woody likes RaceTrayce, who are close with JG, Trey, Anthony, and Miller.

Everyone got along with Phin.

Not everyone is always gonna be grateful for everyone when a new coaching staff and lots of new faces show up.

A suggestion for those who want to know who was hanging with who on last year’s team? Miller Kopp TikTok.

 

Edited May 24, 2022 by Stuhoo

[cthomas]

2 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Race Thompson and Parker Stewart? Not great fans of each other.

Woody likes RaceTrayce, who are close with JG, Trey, Anthony, and Miller.

Everyone got along with Phin.

Not everyone is always gonna be grateful for everyone when a new coaching staff and lots of new faces show up.

A suggestion for those who want to know who was hanging with who on last year’s team? Miller Kopp TikTok.

 

Just read an IndyStar article by Gregg Doyel claiming that TJD alleged drug use by some players last season. Didn't name names and I'm not really interested in knowing. But did say according to TJD any drug use should result in that player being removed from the team. I was a little surprised by the allegations and wonder how that may have impacted who stayed and who left.

[Stuhoo]

15 minutes ago, cthomas said:

Just read an IndyStar article by Gregg Royal claiming that TJD alleged drug use by some players last season. Didn't name names and I'm not really interested in knowing. But did say according to TJD any drug use should result in that player being removed from the team. I was a little surprised by the allegations and wonder how that may have impacted who stayed and who left.

I’ll miss seeing Rob Phinisee on my alma mater’s roster.

The other three I’ll miss from the roster less than Rob Phinisee for sure.

[RaceToTheTop]

20 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I’ll miss seeing Rob Phinisee on my alma mater’s roster.

The other three I’ll miss from the roster less than Rob Phinisee for sure.

Appreciate Phinisee, but four years of him on the court was enough.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Sour grapes.

It is interesting but without question the best response to all of this is to ignore it and move along.

It seems the Northwestern/Curfew/Drug talk got some fans “speculating”.

I wish all the guys success. Parker’s on court demeanor always rubbed me wrong. I always want dawgs on my teams, and Parker had some of that in his strength, but his dejection and general lack of hustle/movement always bothered me.




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[Hardwood83]

12 hours ago, cthomas said:

I'm sure there were some hard conversations after the season ended. Probably didn't go the way some wanted. I'm not going to say anything negative about these young men and wish them much success at their current schools. My advice to them would be to let the past go and embrace the future.

Agreed. A while back I was forced to fire someone, and she called 3-4 of her former co-workers that afternoon asking "what are they saying about me?!"  Sadly for her, the answer was "not much." This episode kinda reminded me of that. Each of those players had ample opportunity to make an impact on the court and, other than Rob, did very little. Am I mildly interested in what happened before the Northwestern game? Sure, I guess. But it's hardly consuming my thoughts months later. IU fans are ready to move on, so should they, without trying to create drama.

[BGleas]

34 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

Agreed. A while back I was forced to fire someone, and she called 3-4 of her former co-workers that afternoon asking "what are they saying about me?!"  Sadly for her, the answer was "not much." This episode kinda reminded me of that. Each of those players had ample opportunity to make an impact on the court and, other than Rob, did very little. Am I mildly interested in what happened before the Northwestern game? Sure, I guess. But it's hardly consuming my thoughts months later. IU fans are ready to move on, so should they, without trying to create drama.

I would argue that TJD is partially, if not mostly, responsible for creating the drama. I agree with his stance on the things he said about NW and some of the drug stuff, but there was absolutely no reason to make that public. 

Again to be crystal clear, I agree with most of what he said, but I think it was a misstep in leadership to make all of that public. 

I agree with you that fans and the program have moved on from the NW debacle, but in fairness TJD is the one who brought it back up, not Phinisee, Lander, Stewart or Durr. 

[Chris007]

I'm glad TJD is back and taking ownership of being the team leader but I would have left some of that stuff out. Leave the past in the past IMO. I mean he's not calling Race out for going out every weekend. 

But we need someone to step up and I'm glad he's willing to.

[BGleas]

3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I'm glad TJD is back and taking ownership of being the team leader but I would have left some of that stuff out. Leave the past in the past IMO. I mean he's not calling Race out for going out every weekend. 

But we need someone to step up and I'm glad he's willing to.

Agree. Love that he's back and love that he's taking ownership of the program and team, etc.  Love that!

With that said, some things are meant to stay in-house, and I think yesterday was actually a misstep by TJD. If I'm a teammate or even Woodson, I'm kind of looking at him sideways today. 

He kind of put Woodson in a bit of a bind as well with his comments on what suspensions should be. 

[Tasmanian Devil]

48 minutes ago, BGleas said:

I would argue that TJD is partially, if not mostly, responsible for creating the drama. I agree with his stance on the things he said about NW and some of the drug stuff, but there was absolutely no reason to make that public. 

Again to be crystal clear, I agree with most of what he said, but I think it was a misstep in leadership to make all of that public. 

I agree with you that fans and the program have moved on from the NW debacle, but in fairness TJD is the one who brought it back up, not Phinisee, Lander, Stewart or Durr. 

That’s one way to look at it.

Then, again, it can be looked at as Trayce demonstrating strong leadership. He’s making it CRYSTAL CLEAR that he wants everyone focused - you’re either in on the things TRULY important that are going to help you win, and if you’re not mature enough to understand that you need to be gone. Period.

Just as long as he’s walking the walk, he can talk the talk all he wants in my opinion. That statement was for his CURRENT team going forward, not guys no longer there. And if those departed have issue with what was said, too bad - it’s likely why you’re no longer in Bloomington.

[RaceToTheTop]

6 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Agree. Love that he's back and love that he's taking ownership of the program and team, etc.  Love that!

With that said, some things are meant to stay in-house, and I think yesterday was actually a misstep by TJD. If I'm a teammate or even Woodson, I'm kind of looking at him sideways today. 

He kind of put Woodson in a bit of a bind as well with his comments on what suspensions should be. 

I would guess he’s probably echoing what Woodson has said about suspensions.

[BGleas]

1 minute ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I would guess he’s probably echoing what Woodson has said about suspensions.

Then they've both kind of put themselves in a zero tolerance policy situation. We've seen that movie play out before. 

Again, not disagreeing with him, just no need to make this stuff public. Potentially does more harm than good. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

11 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Agree. Love that he's back and love that he's taking ownership of the program and team, etc.  Love that!

With that said, some things are meant to stay in-house, and I think yesterday was actually a misstep by TJD. If I'm a teammate or even Woodson, I'm kind of looking at him sideways today. 

He kind of put Woodson in a bit of a bind as well with his comments on what suspensions should be. 

Yeah I agree with this. No need to dime on your former teammates like that. It’s all stuff that could have been addressed in private. Just kind of weird comments from him imho. 

[BGleas]

8 minutes ago, Tasmanian Devil said:

That’s one way to look at it.

Then, again, it can be looked at as Trayce demonstrating strong leadership. He’s making it CRYSTAL CLEAR that he wants everyone focused - you’re either in on the things TRULY important that are going to help you win, and if you’re not mature enough to understand that you need to be gone. Period.

Just as long as he’s walking the walk, he can talk the talk all he wants in my opinion. That statement was for his CURRENT team going forward, not guys no longer there. And if those departed have issue with what was said, too bad - it’s likely why you’re no longer in Bloomington.

There's just stuff that is better kept in-house. He's kind of painted himself and Woodson into a corner a bit. 

Again, I don’t disagree with him, I just think it mistake to air that stuff publicly. He can make all those points crystal clear in the locker room. His wording publicly was not great IMO. 

[Tasmanian Devil]

4 minutes ago, BGleas said:

There's just stuff that is better kept in-house. He's kind of painted himself and Woodson into a corner a bit. 

Again, I don’t disagree with him, I just think it mistake to air that stuff publicly. He can make all those points crystal clear in the locker room. His wording publicly was not great IMO. 

Although I get why some of you say it should be kept private, I still approve of it in this case. 
 

IMHO, he’s setting the bar HIGH for the team. You are here PRIMARILY to play basketball and REPRESENT the University. My opinion it helps eliminate any issues of guys possibly going astray by stating that if team first is not your top priority, you’ll be gone.

Winning at a high level is tough enough; trying to do it without having everyone pulling in the same direction makes it even harder. After watching some IU teams in the last decade struggle because of leadership (or lack thereof), I have no problem with Trayce setting the standard for everyone. You’re either IN, or you’re OUT. Period, end of speech. And if you end up OUT because of this, you really have to question what your priorities really were.