NIL and IU

[Brass Cannon 24,913]

3 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Except.....I think that it wouldn't stand up in a court of law.  The transfer rule went largely unchallenged for decades but I think the tide is turning on who has control in terms of athletic rules.  Students transfer for school to school all the time without being restricted....not sure having an all-encompassing rule for athletic teams would fly legally.

Yeah people keep railing about this turning into professional sports but they also seem to want to go back to an era when teams controlled the rights to a player 

[RaceToTheTop 26,316]

1 hour ago, IU Scott said:

Don't fear progress if it is for the good but what is happening to the college game is not fir the better.

What is good for the sport in general is not always better for the individual players.  And the truth is, its not the individual player's responsibility to make sure that it is.  

The NCAA needs to address what they can control instead of throwing their hands up in the air about what they can't.  They can't even figure out how to move forward with the college football championship plans.

[RaceToTheTop 26,316]

Just now, Brass Cannon said:

Yeah people keep railing about this turning into professional sports but they also seem to want to go back to an era when teams controlled the rights to a player 

And acting like this will create a system of have and have nots.....as if they wasn't happening before.  Just seems to me that now there are more haves since the risk of the NCAA's selective penalties are out of the way.

[go iu bb 6,568]

The NCAA and the schools have insisted forever that the athletes are not employees. If they want to regain some control they'd probably have to change that stance. I'd be surprised if that happens any time soon, if ever.

[Feathery 4,005]

14 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

And acting like this will create a system of have and have nots.....as if they wasn't happening before.  Just seems to me that now there are more haves since the risk of the NCAA's selective penalties are out of the way.

Yup. IU hasn’t been relevant consistently since Duke and UK really started spending in the 90’s. A year here or there but nothing consistent. MSU paid Dawson and other under  the table and have been dominant since the 90’s. This new model is the only way IU can have a shot of being elite again consistently. Glad we have a coach who is used to free agency. 
 

If someone gets paid to play basketball is diminishing ones enjoyment of the game, I’m not sure what to say to that. Seems odd that people are disgruntled that young adults are making money from their skills. 

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

3 hours ago, Josh said:

Again...who cares?  Everything adapts and changes.  If you're going to shake your fist at change, you're going to become a grumpy old man.  

If it died for you, good luck to whatever you move on to.  Hopefully it never changes and you never have to go through this again.  There are plenty of us who don't fear progress who will be here to watch college basketball into the future.

Change does not = progress.

[jepwatso 191]

11 minutes ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

Change does not = progress.

That's true, considering no one has change in their pocket anymore

[jk34 1,105]

7 minutes ago, jepwatso said:

That's true, considering no one has change in their pocket anymore

People can't afford to put gas in their tanks, or food on their table, but we're paying kids hundreds of thousands of dollars, to play as "amateurs"!

[DChoosier 8,733]

It will be interesting to see what happens but in mens basketball I think the 30 or so 5 stars, in the next year or two, will be getting/expecting a minimum of 800k-1,000,000+ to commit to a school. 

The NIL $$$ is already accelerating much quicker than I expected and we are only in the first inning.

[DChoosier 8,733]

7 minutes ago, jk34 said:

People can't afford to put gas in their tanks, or food on their table, but we're paying kids hundreds of thousands of dollars, to play as "amateurs"!

The money isn’t coming from the government or from the schools but rather wealthy boosters and/or people contributing to NIL’s. Not sure how that impacts or correlates to someone that can’t put food on their table.

 

 

[jepwatso 191]

12 minutes ago, jk34 said:

People can't afford to put gas in their tanks, or food on their table, but we're paying kids hundreds of thousands of dollars, to play as "amateurs"!

Don't worry, its all a simulation

[jonz44 810]

I'm interested to see how things play out when a player gets 400k to play for a school then produces at a subpar level. What will be the reaction of another player who has been at the school 1-2 years but hasn't received the same financial love. I'm thinking it's gonna be interesting.

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[TheWatShot 14,270]

Let's pretend our wealthiest donors put their heads together and crafted an NIL plan that brought a reincarnated Fab 5 to IU. 

 

I wouldn't care if we had players cashing checks at halftime of games as long as they won the damn banner. 

 

I'm sick and tired of being an afterthought in college basketball. No one cares about programs that "do it the right way," they care about the ones who win. We don't win because for decades, we've been saddled with people who don't want to take risks and insist on doing everything the hard way. We've wasted so much time and opportunities all while our biggest competitors lapped us. 

 

Would you like to live in a world where IU is an NIL behemoth, and programs like Purdue and Wisconsin are afterthoughts? I would. 

[MikeRoberts 7,199]

53 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Let's pretend our wealthiest donors put their heads together and crafted an NIL plan that brought a reincarnated Fab 5 to IU. 

 

I wouldn't care if we had players cashing checks at halftime of games as long as they won the damn banner. 

 

I'm sick and tired of being an afterthought in college basketball. No one cares about programs that "do it the right way," they care about the ones who win. We don't win because for decades, we've been saddled with people who don't want to take risks and insist on doing everything the hard way. We've wasted so much time and opportunities all while our biggest competitors lapped us. 

 

Would you like to live in a world where IU is an NIL behemoth, and programs like Purdue and Wisconsin are afterthoughts? I would. 

I would, of course want to be relevant and fun again. But do we really want another G-League? 
 

the NCAA was different than the G -League and NBA and I loved it.  Fearful the NCAA comes crashing downs. It’s complete anarchy right now 

[jk34 1,105]

5 hours ago, DChoosier said:

The money isn’t coming from the government or from the schools but rather wealthy boosters and/or people contributing to NIL’s. Not sure how that impacts or correlates to someone that can’t put food on their table.

 

 

No one said the government was paying for it. Just pointing out how completely out of hand this is. I'm all for people getting paid for their services, but this is turning into somewhere between the G league, and the NBA. The NCAA should have put some parameters in place, before this turned into a free for all. 

The government and the NCAA are both incompetent. 

[Josh 12,723]

7 hours ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

Change does not = progress.

Not all progress is successful, but it is a progression toward the ongoing evolution of sports.  But yes, change is a progression.

[CS2 174]

11 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

We can play by the rules and take advantage of our market size to finally dig our program out of the gutter. I’d say better is subjective at this point 

No doubt this is a tremendous opportunity for Indiana to claw back what they deserve.   Fred and company have put together a two-pronged approach that accomplishes the basketball objectives while bringing awareness to some really useful organizations.

[ray 1,572]

I thoroughly enjoyed watching Indiana become a basketball juggernaut while growing up. It was fun to watch a group of kids who chose to play for Indiana and/or a specific coach become successful as a team and make a name for Indiana basketball, which despite its recent lack of success, is still considered a blue blood by many due to its past success and still has a significant name in college basketball. Watching kids play for a school regardless of money was fun for me. I’m not against players being able to advertise for organizations and be paid, and I think this should be allowed. I didn’t expect this to so quickly become a league where the richest donors could form a team like we see from NBA owners and managers, but without the limits and restrictions we see in the NBA.

I stopped watching professional sports long ago (way back when baseball players went on strike because bench warmers were only making a million dollars per year at the time and they acted as though they truly believed their families may go hungry…and elite players were complaining because they felt they deserved 7 million instead of 5). I just became disinterested in grown men acting like they’re being paid a peasant’s earnings and struggling financially when their sense of entitlement and their ego was not being massaged well enough. Sure, players should bring in some (a lot) of that ridiculous money the owners of professional franchises make because they’re the product that is selling tickets and merchandise…but, I didn’t want to read about and listen to players complaining they aren’t earning enough when one year of a bench warmer’s salary today would set someone like myself up handsomely for life (someone who doesn’t need a pole barn full of luxury vehicles and multiple mansions to feel like I’m valued).

My eyes have been opened, and I now realize where things will likely go based on where things have already gone in a matter of weeks. If this becomes a league where players are running after the highest bidder and no restrictions are put in place (and no governing body is willing or capable of creating AND KEEPING some control over it), then this will be similar to what I experienced decades ago with professional sports. I don’t have to continue watching it, because I have a choice, but I will miss it. 

It’s not only about winning (at all costs) for me. I enjoyed watching a team form and gel together under strong leadership and tutelage through practice and hard work. A blend of differing levels of talent becoming a unit and wearing a jersey because they committed to a team without financial incentives. Now, it seems more likely to watch teams assemble and disassemble even more so than what we’ve seen with the transfer portal minus the NIL deals, with the best players running to the universities with the wealthiest donor pool. As some have said already, there will be professional “G-League” teams competing for championships each year and the universities with smaller donor pools will have almost no chance of creating their own Cinderella stories many of us love in March. It is what it is, and there are two sides to look at it from. Some will agree with me while others won’t. I don’t like professional sports for my own reasons, and this is what college basketball will most likely resemble going forward if nothing is done to change the way this NIL money is being offered. Again, some will be fine with it, and I’m fine with them being fine with it. It just changes college basketball for me, the only sport I still watch religiously.  And, yes, I know there have always been bidding wars amongst some of the elite teams, and it has always disgusted me…but when the entire collegiate atmosphere is at the mercy of a bidding war for the best players, it will probably free up more of my time and I’ll find other things to do. 

[Coach Robby 294]

Haven't posted in quite some time, lurked a lot though!

 

NIL to me was players could be featured on advertisements, in commercials, or brand their own clothing, etc. They could make money off of their name, image, or likeness.

I didn't see "contracts" coming, or whatever Miami gave to Pack. College basketball players are no longer "amateurs" and never will be again.

[Honkyman 1,670]

3 minutes ago, Coach Robby said:

I didn't see "contracts" coming, or whatever Miami gave to Pack. College basketball players are no longer "amateurs" and never will be again.

Really? Seems pretty obvious this is where NIL would lead.