2022-2023 IUBB Roster Projection

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

Defense travels. When all else fails, Dexter Dennis will be a fantastic defender.

And he is a proven great teammate and asset to the community.

Anthony Leal is also a fantastic teammate.

Plenty of ways to have both players on the team.

I don’t doubt Dennis would be a positive locker room guy.  I am of the opinion that his impact, while positive, would be minimal.  I would say he’s a better version of Phinisee….great defender, bigger than Phin, but offensively not very good.  If he shoots what he did last year I’m not sure he’s better than what we already have available.

[Stuhoo]

37 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I don’t doubt Dennis would be a positive locker room guy.  I am of the opinion that his impact, while positive, would be minimal.  I would say he’s a better version of Phinisee….great defender, bigger than Phin, but offensively not very good.  If he shoots what he did last year I’m not sure he’s better than what we already have available.

1) While Dexter is not a great shooter, he has been significantly better than Rob Phinisee.

2) A better, taller version of Phin is a very good player 

[RaceToTheTop]

48 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

1) While Dexter is not a great shooter, he has been significantly better than Rob Phinisee.

2) A better, taller version of Phin is a very good player 

1.  The last three years Dennis has been a 36/32 shooter.  He's only been an okay shooter one year and we are four years removed from that.  Phinisee has been a 35/28.  That significantly better is still really, really poor.

2.  If Dennis was coming in to be asked to take a Phin type role -- backup, getting backup minutes -- that would be one thing.  If he is being asked to come in as a starter at the 3, as Chris has suggested, then I'm just not sure that him getting minutes over say, a Bates, is really that positive.  

I'm not trying to be a downer.  I just don't see Dennis as a guy who makes any real kind of impactful difference.

[Stuhoo]

5 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

1.  The last three years Dennis has been a 36/32 shooter.  He's only been an okay shooter one year and we are four years removed from that.  Phinisee has been a 35/28.  That significantly better is still really, really poor.

2.  If Dennis was coming in to be asked to take a Phin type role -- backup, getting backup minutes -- that would be one thing.  If he is being asked to come in as a starter at the 3, as Chris has suggested, then I'm just not sure that him getting minutes over say, a Bates, is really that positive.  

I'm not trying to be a downer.  I just don't see Dennis as a guy who makes any real kind of impactful difference.

I consider Phin a very good defender. He was never first team all B1G defense.

Dex was conference defensive player of the year.

And, not sure why you cherry picked away Dennis’ first year shooting. That counts. Or, if recency is relevant, Dennis was significantly better than Rob last year too.

[RaceToTheTop]

17 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I consider Phin a very good defender. He was never first team all B1G defense.

Dex was conference defensive player of the year.

And, not sure why you cherry picked away Dennis’ first year shooting. That counts. Or, if recency is relevant, Dennis was significantly better than Rob last year too.

The first year ended in the spring of 2019.  You'll also notice that didn't just cite last year's numbers, which were his worst.  The last three years, though, have been a pretty distinct pattern and I'd say water has found its level.   I think you would agree that longer removed a season is the less relevant it is.  As I've mentioned before, he was poor enough offensively that being the 

If you want to look at his whole career, he's a 37% /34% shooter.  That's really poor.  Even adding in his three point shooting, his effective shooting percentage is very, very poor.

[HoosierHoopster]

I’m looking at it this way —

We finished the year basically the best D in conference— allowed least points per possession, FG D was very good. So far we’re returning all of that except Phin, and JG’s D (already strong) will be better this season and with more minutes

We’re adding as of now the #5 ranked (247) incoming class including Ren who’s excellent defensively). 
The team right now has good chemistry and defense is not a weakness, it’s a strength. Imo we do not need Dennis. 
I’m for development, guys develop, on both sides of the ball.

I go back to remembering people calling for Wat to transfer after his sophomore year, and saying Vic was a “mediocre” shooter and always would be after his sophomore year, and there’ve been a number of those guys.
We have a strong core right now. Chemistry, commitment of staff to the players who who are committed to the team and have shown contributions to the team matter. Running out and grabbing portal players at the expense of all that is not any kind of guarantee and it comes with risk. Guys like Leal contribute, depth, locker room, chemistry, skill set including shooting that with development can blossom, all that matters

[HoosierHoops1]

3 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

1.  The last three years Dennis has been a 36/32 shooter.  He's only been an okay shooter one year and we are four years removed from that.  Phinisee has been a 35/28.  That significantly better is still really, really poor.

2.  If Dennis was coming in to be asked to take a Phin type role -- backup, getting backup minutes -- that would be one thing.  If he is being asked to come in as a starter at the 3, as Chris has suggested, then I'm just not sure that him getting minutes over say, a Bates, is really that positive.  

I'm not trying to be a downer.  I just don't see Dennis as a guy who makes any real kind of impactful difference.

If he doesn't start he would be a few minutes of a game sub and when the other team gets a hot had, he would be brought in to shut him down, and maybe to contain the other teams crunch player in crunch time. The whole "it's who finishes" mantra.

[RaceToTheTop]

43 minutes ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

If he doesn't start he would be a few minutes of a game sub and when the other team gets a hot had, he would be brought in to shut him down, and maybe to contain the other teams crunch player in crunch time. The whole "it's who finishes" mantra.

If Chris’ info is correct, he is being recruited to be a starter with starter’s minutes.  Honestly, he was a 31 minute guy at Wichita St and I would he is looking to go somewhere as a starter.

[Hoosier987]

Dennis is about to release a top 5 according to twitter…seems like this is going to take longer than originally thought. 

[Stuhoo]

14 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

Dennis is about to release a top 5 according to twitter…seems like this is going to take longer than originally thought. 

Top five?!?

oh lordy

[HoosierHoops1]

37 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

If Chris’ info is correct, he is being recruited to be a starter with starter’s minutes.  Honestly, he was a 31 minute guy at Wichita St and I would he is looking to go somewhere as a starter.

I'm not sure if we would lose defensively if we get McNeil and his shooting wasn't much better than Kopp's was it?

 

36 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

Dennis is about to release a top 5 according to twitter…seems like this is going to take longer than originally thought. 

It may for him, but it doesn't have to for us.

[HoosierHoops1]

23 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Top five?!?

oh lordy

H probably wants to see what kind of bidding war $ bump he can create.

[jk34]

At this stage, a top 5?

No thanks!

[RaceToTheTop]

37 minutes ago, jk34 said:

At this stage, a top 5?

No thanks!

Same kind of feeling for me.  I don't even think he's visited five places.

[eddy4iu]

2 hours ago, Hoosier987 said:

Dennis is about to release a top 5 according to twitter…seems like this is going to take longer than originally thought. 

Looks to me like Mr Dennis has not had his head in the sand regarding NIL negotiations going on around him. As we've been reveling in the Nijel Pack situation it has dawned on me more than once that we are certainly not immune to have the same techniques employed in dealings with us and our competitors for players.

[Geometry Hoosier]

I’m just thankful my wife isn’t as quick as some of you to wanna Crean someone for the next “great” thing. I’d be in trouble. 

[LamarCheeks]

This is over five hours ago. Guess Dexter and I have differing views of what "soon" is. 
 

 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

13 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

This is over five hours ago. Guess Dexter and I have differing views of what "soon" is. 
 

 

I’ll lmao if Indiana doesn’t make his top 5 list. Tbh.  He’s supposed to commit to us next week though.  

[IUFAN1976]

3 hours ago, jk34 said:

At this stage, a top 5?

No thanks!

I agree!  Why does an existing college player have to play it like a high school senior.  Just make your decision and quit playing immature games!   

[CrimsonCreamer]

Here’s a thought, what if the staff can convince Leal to take a redshirt year as a walk on? Maybe throw some NIL money to cover some of the costs? His parents work for the school, so you’d think there would be some sort of tuition discount there. He’d get six years of school, 5 on scholarship with the Covid year. Not a bad deal, right?


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