2022-2023 IUBB Roster Projection

[HoosierHoopster]

1 minute ago, BGleas said:

Stop it HH, I am not being misleading. That's ridiculous for you to say that, and I'm not going out of my way to be dismissive. 

JG has a lot of potential and his growth will be great for him, the team and the program. With that said, I'm also not going to overhype him on what was really a spotty, up and down season. 

 

No Gleas you're being totally misleading man. You left out his 15 and 7 in the tourney. You compare him to Race by saying he had one game where he did 11 and 7 and it was against Merrimack (which is wrong, not a technicality). You're disregarding that he didn't get into 20 min games until towards the end of this past season. The Merrimack reference is completely misleading.

Here's a thought, take a look at Race's soph year (2019-20)

PPG - 3.7

Boards - 3.9

And now you refer to him as having a spotty season? You again disregard that on a per 40 and per 100 poss basis he is one of the top 2-4 players on the team. Woodson during the tourney said he "discovered' him. Then he played him heavily, because he was playing as one of the best on team. Yes, you're being misleading.

 

 

[BGleas]

5 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

No Gleas you're being totally misleading man. You left out his 15 and 7 in the tourney. You compare him to Race by saying he had one game where he did 11 and 7 and it was against Merrimack (which is wrong, not a technicality). You're disregarding that he didn't get into 20 min games until towards the end of this past season. The Merrimack reference is completely misleading.

Here's a thought, take a look at Race's soph year (2019-20)

PPG - 3.7

Boards - 3.9

And now you refer to him as having a spotty season? You again disregard that on a per 40 and per 100 poss basis he is one of the top 2-4 players on the team. Woodson during the tourney said he "discovered' him. Then he played him heavily, because he was playing as one of the best on team. Yes, you're being misleading.

 

 

I'm out, not gonna debate it like this. Enjoy!

[Stuhoo]

It’s all about the potential.

No one is hyping Gallo or Race because while they are good, they are all but finished products.

[BGleas]

I'm going to leave it at this and then do my best to stay out of any JG debates the rest of the offseason. 

I hope he makes a leap this offseason. He has a lot to work on, but also a lot of potential.

I think Race wore down at the end of last season, so JG improving so that Woodson can better balance their minutes ( say something like 60/40) so Race stays fresh and JG can grow would be great for the team, program and both Race and JG. 

[Stuhoo]

28 minutes ago, BGleas said:

I'm going to leave it at this and then do my best to stay out of any JG debates the rest of the offseason. 

I hope he makes a leap this offseason. He has a lot to work on, but also a lot of potential.

I think Race wore down at the end of last season, so JG improving so that Woodson can better balance their minutes ( say something like 60/40) so Race stays fresh and JG can grow would be great for the team, program and both Race and JG. 

Agree with everything in your post except for the part about you staying out of debates.

Two smart posters with a disagreement is good stuff!

[Brass Cannon]

34 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

It’s all about the potential.

No one is hyping Gallo or Race because while they are good, they are all but finished products.

Race does so many things well that he’s virtually guaranteed PT of some amount. 
 

Trey and Jordan are both in a race to develop a 3 point shot. Because that will get them PT 

[CSP]

I dont think JG will play a meaningful minute at the 3. 

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said:

Race does so many things well that he’s virtually guaranteed PT of some amount. 
 

Trey and Jordan are both in a race to develop a 3 point shot. Because that will get them PT 

Yeah, the talk of Race not starting is just silly.

[cthomas]

The discussion about who starts is fun and how it plays out will tell us a lot about who has put in the work. But more intriguing to me is how our added depth will help us play through the inevitable injuries. We actually have the pieces to play through injuries that in years past would have cost us games. I'm really looking forward to that.

 

[HoosierHoopster]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

It’s all about the potential.

No one is hyping Gallo or Race because while they are good, they are all but finished products.

Exactly. 
Race as a soph averaged under 4 PPG. But the development into his junior season was there to see.

JG as a soph averaged over 4 PPG, just over 12 MPG. But the development heading into his junior season couldn’t be more clear. He played plus 20 in MM and was easily one of the top 5. Denying that I simply don’t get. The kid is clearly the best or second best rebounder, and shot blocker, and his outside shot, which ended up at 31 percent, is smooth. Can see it getting to 35 maybe better - and of course that depends on his continuing development, but that development is on the path right now.

And this isn’t about whether he plays the wing or 4 (imo Bates can take over the key minutes on the wing if he continues along with his growth and improves his D). It’s about what JG’s upside is for the team. Race is almost certain to start imo, he is at or about his ceiling (maybe he’ll raise his outside shot), he’s a savvy vet, a workhorse, and a good defender.
 

JG will probably start the year coming in either for Race, or at the 4 with Race sliding to a small ball 5 (lots of potential there), but if he develops the handle he will be able to play wing as well, that’s his real future just as it was for OG.
 

Regardless, he’s going to play a hell of a lot more than 12 MPG, probably 18-22, his numbers are going to jump across the board, just as Race’s did junior-senior seasons. And we will be better for it

[IUFAN1976]

3 minutes ago, cthomas said:

The discussion about who starts is fun and it plays out will tell us a lot about who has put in the work. But more intriguing to me is how our added depth will help us play through the inevitable injuries. We actually have the pieces play through injuries that in years past would have cost us games. I'm really looking forward to that.

 

Probably the deepest team in over 30 years!

[HoosierHoopster]

5 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Probably the deepest team in over 30 years!

The Wat-Hulls-Yogi-Cody et al team was special, this is the first time we’ve looked like a team like that since to me

[Brass Cannon]

9 minutes ago, cthomas said:

The discussion about who starts is fun and how it plays out will tell us a lot about who has put in the work. But more intriguing to me is how our added depth will help us play through the inevitable injuries. We actually have the pieces to play through injuries that in years past would have cost us games. I'm really looking forward to that.

 

We have the depth now I feel that Woodson can let guys play with foul trouble and if they get another we won’t be seriously hosed. 
 

[IUFAN1976]

1 minute ago, HoosierHoopster said:

The Wat-Hulls-Yogi-Cody et al team was special, this is the first time we’ve looked like a team like that since to me

That was definitely the last team with this kind of expectation and hype, but that team was nearly as deep as this team

[cthomas]

1 minute ago, HoosierHoopster said:

The Wat-Hulls-Yogi-Cody et al team was special, this is the first time we’ve looked like a team like that since to me

The difference being that we have size at positions that we didn't with that team. Granted that team had more shooting. I think this one has a very high ceiling.

 

[Stuhoo]

1 minute ago, IUFAN1976 said:

That was definitely the last team with this kind of expectation and hype, but that team was nearly as deep as this team

That team had far less depth than this one.

Better top end talent no doubt, but far less depth.

[str8baller]

2 hours ago, BGleas said:

I'm going to leave it at this and then do my best to stay out of any JG debates the rest of the offseason. 

I hope he makes a leap this offseason. He has a lot to work on, but also a lot of potential.

I think Race wore down at the end of last season, so JG improving so that Woodson can better balance their minutes ( say something like 60/40) so Race stays fresh and JG can grow would be great for the team, program and both Race and JG. 

I get what you’re saying. There’s a lot of guys that had a promising trajectory but then didn’t make that leap. It’s certainly possible he stays the same, but he’s as good of a candidate as we have. 
 

In reality if guys like Race, TJD and/or X make some small incremental progress like most upperclassman do, and then one of Galloway, Bates, or Geronimo make that leap into good 4th starter plus we get one of the fab frosh to live  up to their billing, we are in great position. 
 

All of our eggs aren’t necessarily in the Geronimo basket. In poker parlance, we have a lot of outs to improve where we need to. I think the smart money is on Geronimo though because he seemed so close at the end of the season and his ceiling is so high. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

Geronimo will really have to improve his game to increase his minutes. We’ll have Trayce, Rave, and the 5 star freshman ahead of him in the frontcourt.  

[Five Prime]

Geronimo was one of our most efficient players last year.  He just needs playing time.  There was already significant improvement in his game over the course of last season.  

[Brass Cannon]

6 minutes ago, Five Prime said:

Geronimo was one of our most efficient players last year.  He just needs playing time.  There was already significant improvement in his game over the course of last season.  

His problem is that currently he plays the same position that our two best players are able to play. Besides he’s not going to get to the NBA playing the 4 in college it’s in his and our interest to teach him how to be a wing. Even if there’s growing pains.