2022-2023 IUBB Roster Projection

[BGleas]

2 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Then that would push a current rotation players down to the 11-13 slot who won't be happy about it.  If you are needing a rotation player then replace a current rotation player who is not playing well.

I don’t think we could have a better situation with the 13th scholarship, if that's what we're calling it, then Anthony Leal. 

Local kid, works his butt off, plays incredibly hard when he gets in, moves the ball incredibly well when he plays, and literally never complains about playing time or anything. 

It's infinitely better to have that, as opposed to a malcontent that pissed off about playing time on the end of the bench. 

[IU Scott]

2 minutes ago, BGleas said:

I don’t think we could have a better situation with the 13th scholarship, if that's what we're calling it, then Anthony Leal. 

Local kid, works his butt off, plays incredibly hard when he gets in, moves the ball incredibly well when he plays, and literally never complains about playing time or anything. 

It's infinitely better to have that, as opposed to a malcontent that pissed off about playing time on the end of the bench. 

Agree

[HoosierTrav]

Put me in the camp that thinks we don't skip a beat if JG leaves the team. If he wants to be close to home then so be it. I think he has high ceiling but I'm not convinced he's going to reach it here. He also has a floor that hes capable of reaching too. He played absolutely awful in some games where he got plenty of mins. If you held a gun to my head and told me to pick between Dexter Dennis and JG, Im taking Dennis all day long. I don't think his jumper looks all that bad and we really need a lockdown wing defender. If Xavier Johnson can improve his shooting from 3 with the form he has, then so can Dennis, imho. 

Clearly the staff knows something that we don't, as they are actively recruiting Dennis and McNeil. I have the sneaking suspicion that LD and JG are going to bounce. 

[HoosierTrav]

44 minutes ago, BGleas said:

I don’t think we could have a better situation with the 13th scholarship, if that's what we're calling it, then Anthony Leal. 

Local kid, works his butt off, plays incredibly hard when he gets in, moves the ball incredibly well when he plays, and literally never complains about playing time or anything. 

It's infinitely better to have that, as opposed to a malcontent that pissed off about playing time on the end of the bench. 

I agree with this 100%. Stack as much talent as possible 1-9 and have guys like Leal at the end of the bench helping to support the team and maintaining a positive culture. Recipe for success. 

[PB1230]

44 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

Put me in the camp that thinks we don't skip a beat if JG leaves the team. If he wants to be close to home then so be it. I think he has high ceiling but I'm not convinced he's going to reach it here. He also has a floor that hes capable of reaching too. He played absolutely awful in some games where he got plenty of mins. If you held a gun to my head and told me to pick between Dexter Dennis and JG, Im taking Dennis all day long. I don't think his jumper looks all that bad and we really need a lockdown wing defender. If Xavier Johnson can improve his shooting from 3 with the form he has, then so can Dennis, imho. 

Clearly the staff knows something that we don't, as they are actively recruiting Dennis and McNeil. I have the sneaking suspicion that LD and JG are going to bounce. 

The ones that are most adamant about wanting JG to stay are those mostly wishcasting him at the 3 spot, hoping he takes minutes from Kopp.  For JG to play over Kopp, he'll need to develop an entirely new skillset, whereas Dennis just needs to get his 3 point shooting up to where it was before this past season (Dennis was a 36% career 3 point shooter before this past season).

[IUc2016]

 

[HoosierInParadise]

I agree with this 100%. Stack as much talent as possible 1-9 and have guys like Leal at the end of the bench helping to support the team and maintaining a positive culture. Recipe for success. 

I don't know.....the college game has changed. Get as much talent as possible with all 13. We saw what it looked like when we were 5 players down at NW. If practices are packed with talent, it just makes everyone better. However, someone has to be the worst out of 13. Maybe LD is the better example of this than Leal. LD didn't even play in that game at NW.

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[CSP]

1 minute ago, mbredenk101 said:

I don't know.....the college game has changed. Get as much talent as possible with all 13. We saw what it looked like when we were 5 players down at NW. If practices are packed with talent, it just makes everyone better. However, someone has to be the worst out of 13. Maybe LD is the better example of this than Leal. LD didn't even play in that game at NW.

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This has been referenced a fair amount... why was the NW a game LD should have played? We still had our top 3 front court guys in that game. 

When Michael Penix got hurt in football we didnt substitute the best LBer in for him... we used the next QB. 

LD didn't play in that game because he wasn't needed anymore in that one, then he was the rest of the games. The players ahead of him still played. 

[PB1230]

6 minutes ago, btownqb said:

This has been referenced a fair amount... why was the NW a game LD should have played? We still had our top 3 front court guys in that game. 

When Michael Penix got hurt in football we didnt substitute the best LBer in for him... we used the next QB. 

LD didn't play in that game because he wasn't needed anymore in that one, then he was the rest of the games. The players ahead of him still played. 

Yep, both Race and TJD came close if not surpassed their minutes in the NW game several times this year and JG was fine making up the remaining minutes . The biggest issues in that game were the inability of Kopp/Leal to produce, and JG proving he isn't a 3. LD would have only been needed in case of foul trouble with Race/TJD

[CSP]

8 minutes ago, PB1230 said:

Yep, both Race and TJD came close if not surpassed their minutes in the NW game several times this year and JG was fine making up the remaining minutes . The biggest issues in that game were the inability of Kopp/Leal to produce, and JG proving he isn't a 3. LD would have only been needed in case of foul trouble with Race/TJD

Yes, there was actually less of a chance of him playing against NW then the other games, imo. 

[HoosierX]

8 minutes ago, PB1230 said:

Yep, both Race and TJD came close if not surpassed their minutes in the NW game several times this year and JG was fine making up the remaining minutes . The biggest issues in that game were the inability of Kopp/Leal to produce, and JG proving he isn't a 3. LD would have only been needed in case of foul trouble with Race/TJD

I was three rows up for that game, and our team was gassed with about 8 minutes to go.  TJD was especially gassed - at one point Kopp was screaming at him to come over to the huddle and he could barely muster more than a slow jog. I don't know whether Duncomb should have played, but conditioning was absolutely a factor.

[GloryDays]

6 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Do you really think that Dogan Luncomb would transfer?

Nagdabbit I'm just not sure!

[Brass Cannon]

I keep seeing claims that JG wasn’t a 3 last year which is fine it’s true. But can we at least admit he has the raw athletic ability to do it?  Which means he can be turned into one with 8 months of work.  
 

This isn’t like Crean trying to use Morgan as a point forward JG is close he’s just got some stuff he needs to work on. And if he ever wants to go to the nba he’s going to need to work on those things. That can be a good motivator 

[Honkyman]

2 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

But can we at least admit he has the raw athletic ability to do it?  Which means he can be turned into one with 8 months of work.  

Yes, he has the raw talent. But he doesn't have the the shooting or ball handling skills to play the 3. Is it possible he could acquire those skills between now and when the season starts? Possible, yes. Likely? Probably not. That is a short period of time to acquire skills most players work on for years. We'll see. I'm sure the coaches are willing to give him a shot at it.

[HoosierInParadise]

This has been referenced a fair amount... why was the NW a game LD should have played? We still had our top 3 front court guys in that game. 
When Michael Penix got hurt in football we didnt substitute the best LBer in for him... we used the next QB. 
LD didn't play in that game because he wasn't needed anymore in that one, then he was the rest of the games. The players ahead of him still played. 

Good and fair points....I didn't think of it like that. I guess I just figured with fresh legs and any talent at all he would have saw some time.

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[CSP]

3 minutes ago, mbredenk101 said:

Good and fair points....I didn't think of it like that. I guess I just figured with fresh legs and any talent at all he would have saw some time.

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I thought that, as well, orginally. He very well maybe below Leal. Not sure. 

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, PB1230 said:

The ones that are most adamant about wanting JG to stay are those mostly wishcasting him at the 3 spot, hoping he takes minutes from Kopp.  For JG to play over Kopp, he'll need to develop an entirely new skillset, whereas Dennis just needs to get his 3 point shooting up to where it was before this past season (Dennis was a 36% career 3 point shooter before this past season).

JG doesn't need an entirely different skillset to be better at the 3 than Kopp.  He's a better defender and rebounder and is better at getting to the rim already.  He's a worse ballhandler and shooter, but it's not lot Kopp was good at dishing assists and he didn't shoot well last year.  I'm not sure the what Kopp gave us in ballhandling and shooting was any better than what JG added in other departments.

In terms of Dennis being a 36% career three point shooter, that's all backloaded.  He shot 40% as a freshman and 33.6% his sophomore and junior years.  I'm not sure his shooting from 2018-9 is real relevant now.....the same as his free throw shooting.  As a freshman he shot 66%.  Since then, he's been at 85, 80 and 79.  As a freshman he was a good three point shooter and crummy free throw shooter.  He's spent the next three seasons as a mediocre three point shooter and very good free throw shooter.  At this point, that's what he is -- a mediocre three point shooter and very good free throw shooter.  

But put the three point shooting aside -- he's not a good shooter inside the arc either.  His percentages over the past four years from inside the arc has been 40%, 37%, 41%, and 43%.  Those aren't good marks.

[PB1230]

3 minutes ago, Honkyman said:

Yes, he has the raw talent. But he doesn't have the the shooting or ball handling skills to play the 3. Is it possible he could acquire those skills between now and when the season starts? Possible, yes. Likely? Probably not. That is a short period of time to acquire skills most players work on for years. We'll see. I'm sure the coaches are willing to give him a shot at it.

He of course should be working on skills that would make him a viable 3. At the very least, that makes him a more well rounded 4, but he just has a much longer road to get there than what a lot of people are willing to admit. 

[RaceToTheTop]

11 minutes ago, Honkyman said:

Yes, he has the raw talent. But he doesn't have the the shooting or ball handling skills to play the 3. Is it possible he could acquire those skills between now and when the season starts? Possible, yes. Likely? Probably not. That is a short period of time to acquire skills most players work on for years. We'll see. I'm sure the coaches are willing to give him a shot at it.

But you don't need him to play the 3 for 30 minutes.  

[RaceToTheTop]

Again, IF JG is intent on leaving I'm fine with Dennis coming in.  His defense does make him a viable option.  I'm just not keen on bringing him in at the expense of having someone leave that wasn't set to.