(2022) - PF Noah Clowney to Alabama

[ap2345]

13 hours ago, DChoosier said:

I took a look at the Banks thread (duh…LOL) and it sounds like he is currently more of a 3/4 tweener while Clowney is more of a 4 (ie closer to filling TJD’s shoes).

Clowney wouldn't have replaced TJD. TJD has been a last year and this year. He hasn't been a 4 since before Brunk got hurt. The starting 4 and 5 next year are likely on the roster already. Geronimo is the likely 4 and Durr or Duncomb is the likely 5 baring a transfer portal addition to one of those spots that is a STUD. Banks is a 3/4 tweener. He's currently more of a 4 that could be a 3 at some point. Clowney was currently more of a thin 5 that could turn into a 4. 

[IU Scott]

I wonder if the big ten reputation of being so physical and a slower pace was the main factor.  Most bigs in the big ten are not as athletic and just more physically opposing.  You don't see many tall and slender big guys so Clowney probably looked at that.

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

I wonder if the big ten reputation of being so physical and a slower pace was the main factor.  Most bigs in the big ten are not as athletic and just more physically opposing.  You don't see many tall and slender big guys so Clowney probably looked at that.

That very well could have been a factor.

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[Uspshoosier]

24 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I wonder if the big ten reputation of being so physical and a slower pace was the main factor.  Most bigs in the big ten are not as athletic and just more physically opposing.  You don't see many tall and slender big guys so Clowney probably looked at that.

I would say it was definitely brought up by the other schools.  Every B1G school that recruits against another conference is going to run into it.   Cost Sparty a recruit last year.   I’m guessing that hasn’t been the only one lost because of it 

[Uspshoosier]

The domino’s of recruiting always fascinate me.   Not just IU’s but on a national level.  One teams loss(IU’s with Clowney) become another teams gain potentially.   Houston looks like the team that will gain from the Clowney domino.   Looks like Jarace Walker the top rated PF in the 2022 class is going to Houston now instead of Bama 

[craigyv88]

The physicality of the conference could definitely be a big factor and we could debate all day who is a 3 vs 4 vs 5, but by my count of who I’m considering power forwards that we either made a list cut for or got at least an unofficial visit from we’ve gone 0 for 13 since TJD committed on 11/30/2018.  I am excited about this staff and their ability and a lot of these misses go back to the prior regime, so please don’t take it as a dig at our current staff as I’m sure they did everything they could to get Clowney, Filipowski, Reneau, etc.  It just seems like it’s been extra difficult for us to get across the finish line with a recruit at that position for whatever reason.

[Banksyrules]

1 hour ago, IU Scott said:

I wonder if the big ten reputation of being so physical and a slower pace was the main factor.  Most bigs in the big ten are not as athletic and just more physically opposing.  You don't see many tall and slender big guys so Clowney probably looked at that.

I know from a UNC perspective, that they used this to approach recruits when there was a kid with offers from the big ten.  

[IU Scott]

I remember Rabjohn saying he talked to recruits who said they didn't want to play the big ten style of play.

[Demo]

1 hour ago, IU Scott said:

I remember Rabjohn saying he talked to recruits who said they didn't want to play the big ten style of play.

Don’t remember if they flat out said it, but it was clearly a factor for both Garcia and Mason Miller.

[DChoosier]

16 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I remember Rabjohn saying he talked to recruits who said they didn't want to play the big ten style of play.

I looked at 247 recruits rankings.

28 of the top 35 players have committed.

JHS, going to IU, is the ONLY one of the 28 committed players going to the Big Ten.

No Big Ten school leads for any of the remaining 7 players. If that turns out to be true JHS will be the only top 35 recruit going to the BT. 

The 28 top 35 commits so far:

SEC (11) - UK-3, Bama 2, Soon to be Texas 2, Arkansas 1, S. Carolina 1, Florida 1, LSU 1, 

PAC 10 (5) UCLA 3, Oregon 2

ACC (5) Duke 3, UNC 1, ND 1

Big 12 (4) Kansas 3, Baylor 1

Nova 1, Houston 1, IU 1

[DChoosier]

On a positive note for the conference the BT has 8 commitments from the #36-70 players

(OSU 3, UM 2, MSU 2, IL 1)

 

[Stuhoo]

21 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

I looked at 247 recruits rankings.

28 of the top 35 players have committed.

JHS, going to IU, is the ONLY one of the 28 committed players going to the Big Ten.

No Big Ten school leads for any of the remaining 7 players. If that turns out to be true JHS will be the only top 35 recruit going to the BT. 

The 28 top 35 commits so far:

SEC (11) - UK-3, Bama 2, Soon to be Texas 2, Arkansas 1, S. Carolina 1, Florida 1, LSU 1, 

PAC 10 (5) UCLA 3, Oregon 2

ACC (5) Duke 3, UNC 1, ND 1

Big 12 (4) Kansas 3, Baylor 1

Nova 1, Houston 1, IU 1

Wow…Howard at UM is cooling off a bit.

[Alford Bailey]

I’ve said it before I blame no recruits (including Clowney) for not wanting to play in the B1G.

[go iu bb]

7 hours ago, Demo said:

Don’t remember if they flat out said it, but it was clearly a factor for both Garcia and Mason Miller.

I think Mason Miller's main issue was the offense under Archie Miller.

[Stuhoo]

58 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

I think Mason Miller's main issue was the offense under Archie Miller.

Him and me both 

[ap2345]

18 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Wow…Howard at UM is cooling off a bit.

 It really hasn´t. He landed the number 10, 16, 45, 46, 115, and 145 ranked players according to 247 composite in 2021. That’s two 5*’s, three 4*’s, and one 3*.  In 2022 he’s got number 37, 39, 61, and 108 and they are considered by some to be the leader for Ty Rodgers who’s ranked 54th. That’s four 4* commits and they could add a 5th. They haven’t landed a 5 star in 2022 but they also didn’t seriously target very many. They’ve gotten most of their targets.

[RaceToTheTop]

8 hours ago, DChoosier said:

I looked at 247 recruits rankings.

28 of the top 35 players have committed.

JHS, going to IU, is the ONLY one of the 28 committed players going to the Big Ten.

No Big Ten school leads for any of the remaining 7 players. If that turns out to be true JHS will be the only top 35 recruit going to the BT. 

The 28 top 35 commits so far:

SEC (11) - UK-3, Bama 2, Soon to be Texas 2, Arkansas 1, S. Carolina 1, Florida 1, LSU 1, 

PAC 10 (5) UCLA 3, Oregon 2

ACC (5) Duke 3, UNC 1, ND 1

Big 12 (4) Kansas 3, Baylor 1

Nova 1, Houston 1, IU 1

Interesting.  I think it might be worth mentioning that I think the Big Ten does employ less of a strategy to recruit potential one and dones than other conferences, which I think isn't a new thing.  I can't find it for every year, but from 2011-2015 the number of one and dones by conference:

Big Ten (2):  Only Noah Vonleh and D'Angelo Russell

SEC (14):  12 were Kentucky players

Big 12 (9):  4 were Kansas, 4 were Texas

ACC (9):  6 were Duke

PAC 12 (6)

[RaceToTheTop]

If we are talking about just Indiana's recruiting, I think Woodson's effort so far given that he was hired just this spring have been pretty good -- 

transfer portal:  obtained Xavier Johnson, Miller Kopp, and Durr;  lost Durham and Franklin, kept everyone else.

recruits:  kept Logan Duncomb, added another 21 in Tamar Bates; in 22 has obtained 247 composite #20, 81, and 150;  2023 has already obtained 247 composite #67.

Considering how teams typically have a talent drop immediately on a coaching change before recovering, that's really not too bad.

 

[DChoosier]

2 hours ago, brumdog45 said:

Interesting.  I think it might be worth mentioning that I think the Big Ten does employ less of a strategy to recruit potential one and dones than other conferences, which I think isn't a new thing.  I can't find it for every year, but from 2011-2015 the number of one and dones by conference:

Big Ten (2):  Only Noah Vonleh and D'Angelo Russell

SEC (14):  12 were Kentucky players

Big 12 (9):  4 were Kansas, 4 were Texas

ACC (9):  6 were Duke

PAC 12 (6

I think your example actually reinforces that top talent isn’t choosing to go to the BT. In most cases the Big Ten has less “one and dones” because those players have been turning down the BT, not because they were not pursued by the Big Ten. The number one player in the 2021 class had 8 BT offers. Nearly every top 35 player in the 2022 class has Big Ten offers with many having 3/4/6 BT offers.
2022 Number 8 Filipowski, who was recruited by IU, had 8 Big Ten offers but committed  to Duke. 
Number 2 Lively had three BT offers but also committed  to Duke. 
Number 5 Whitehead had 2 BT offers but chose Duke.
Do those 3 players, as an example, indicate that the BT doesn’t try to recruit those type of players or that Duke successfully lands those players? I would say the latter.

[Maedhros]

Bates, Hood-Schifino and Newton are why I'm excited for the Woodson era. We need those guys ranked 20-80, high end recruits that will stick around for more than a year. Trayce was that dude. Romeo was not, gone after one season. Khristian might have been and could still be, but was brought to campus too soon in an effort to save Archie's job. We relied too much on fringe four stars the last four years. I couldn't be happier to see Woodson upping that to fringe five stars.