Mike Woodson and His Coaching Staff

[Hovadipo]

26 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

Personally, most of us prefer you leave it rather than turn this place into another POS board like Rivals.

This board, and those of us who have been here for a really long time, prides itself on not being like a Rivals board and a statement like this doesn’t uphold that standard, imo. 

[IU Scott]

3 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Several things. No transfer portal. Auburns history. Pearl coming off sanctions.

But he’s been at Auburn 8 seasons and he’s still 2 years younger than our guy just getting started in year 1 of college basketball.


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You always had transfers.  Also like it or not our history is what it use to be and that is not on Woodson.  I hear people say we need to forget the past and move on from it   So if we are just going by the near past and present why is the expectations for IU so high.  It is because of the past and not what IU is today.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

You always had transfers.  Also like it or not our history is what it use to be and that is not on Woodson.  I hear people say we need to forget the past and move on from it   So if we are just going by the near past and present why is the expectations for IU so high.  It is because of the past and not what IU is today.

Past transfer rules vs open market transfers aren’t comparable when it comes to instant results. I also added Pearl’s ambiguity from sanctions probably played a big part. And when I say history I mean it to encompass, fanbase, TV games, expectations, Draft picks, budget, facilities, etc, etc.. Comparing Auburn basketball 10 years ago to Indiana basketball.


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[IU Scott]

7 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Past transfer rules vs open market transfers aren’t comparable when it comes to instant results. I also added Pearl’s ambiguity from sanctions probably played a big part. And when I say history I mean it to encompass, fanbase, TV games, expectations, Draft picks, budget, facilities, etc, etc.. Comparing Auburn basketball 10 years ago to Indiana basketball.


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Also the SEC has always been dirty which gave them some advantage.  That is the one thing the big ten and IU could hold over SEC and UK is that we didn't have to have bag men to win.

Don't tell me that RMK cheated because with how much the Indy media hated RMK they would have found out.  They would have dugged into if there was any rumors of guys getting paid 

[Stuhoo]

57 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

Woodson and then Fife.  Those are your next 20 years.  Take it or leave it.  Personally, most of us prefer you leave it rather than turn this place into another POS board like Rivals.

If you don’t like the post? Say so.

Do not attack the poster. Period.

We now return to our regularly scheduled argument.    ;)

[8bucks]

Cracks me up when people come on here and say the administration is trying to keep IU from having a great basketball program.  I am pretty sure IU had the largest recruiting budget on the big ten.  We put Millions of dollars into upgrading the arena and facilities like the practice facility and locker rooms. We pay our coach in the top 10 in the country.  If what was reported we offered to make Brad Stevens the highest paid coach in college sports.

There are recruiting budgets and then there are recruiting “budgets” with creative funding


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[HoosierAloha]

1 hour ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

Matt Painter was 9-19 his first year.  You’d have been here bitching every 13 seconds and then killed yourself.

I'm all for the bitching part!

[HoosierHoops1]

2 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Again, it’s the age of our coach and the “instant gratification society” of recruits I’m worried about. I was willing to give Arch 3 years especially if building momentum (he wasn’t). Transfer portal helps many of these problems. You don’t hire a 63 yo with hopes he can win in year 3 or 4. At this point, we have to recruit against the negative recruiting that we can’t make the tournament with an NBA coach and an All American. Things won’t get easier.


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CMW is 12 years younger than K and 14 years younger than Boheim. His age shouldn't be a problem as he could have a decade here.

[HoosierHoops1]

2 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Past transfer rules vs open market transfers aren’t comparable when it comes to instant results. I also added Pearl’s ambiguity from sanctions probably played a big part. And when I say history I mean it to encompass, fanbase, TV games, expectations, Draft picks, budget, facilities, etc, etc.. Comparing Auburn basketball 10 years ago to Indiana basketball.


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Transfer portal can also be a huge negative. CTC is likely going to be fired because of what he lost to the portal.

[Hoosierfan2017]

9 minutes ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

CMW is 12 years younger than K and 14 years younger than Boheim. His age shouldn't be a problem as he could have a decade here.

Boheim should have retired a while ago but wanted to coach his sons. He’s had a couple of nice tournament runs recently but he hasn’t finished higher than T-6th in his conference since 2014. And Woody won’t have Nike shoveling him recruits like Coach K did. 

[HoosierHoops1]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Boheim should have retired a while ago but wanted to coach his sons. He’s had a couple of nice tournament runs recently but he hasn’t finished higher than T-6th in his conference since 2014. And Woody won’t have Nike shoveling him recruits like Coach K did. 

Maybe not but any issues won't be because he is too old.

[MikeRoberts]

19 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Boheim should have retired a while ago but wanted to coach his sons. He’s had a couple of nice tournament runs recently but he hasn’t finished higher than T-6th in his conference since 2014. And Woody won’t have Nike shoveling him recruits like Coach K did. 

Very true. People keep saying we can make up a lot of deficiencies in the portal, while true, we could also be on the wrong side of the portal and lose our guys we wanted to return.

that’s why I’ve been upset seeing Kopp and Stewart getting so many minutes knowing they aren’t the future and we have younger players like Geronimo that are every bit as good getting scraps.

[str8baller]

7 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

Very true. People keep saying we can make up a lot of deficiencies in the portal, while true, we could also be on the wrong side of the portal and lose our guys we wanted to return.

that’s why I’ve been upset seeing Kopp and Stewart getting so many minutes knowing they aren’t the future and we have younger players like Geronimo that are every bit as good getting scraps.

I really like Geronimo and think one of him and Galloway or Bates have good chance of really breaking out next year. But Geronimo and Bates have the same issue of getting lost or making one boneheaded play on defense every 5 min or so. Just basic freshman stuff, but I imagine it drives Woody crazy, especially since defense is about all we can consistently rely on. 
 

I’m with you in hoping we don’t lose them. Losing our talented young guys would hurt, because they’re the one bright spot on this roster. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Geronimo, Leal, Bates, Galloway.. it's a good start for a future core of 4 dudes who will stay their 4 years. And Geronimo, Leal and Galloway are technically freshmen still. Geronimo is kind of your exact 4 that gets played in college. 6-6 and athletic. He's a shooter(hopefully becomes a willing shot maker), Leal is just a smart kid and will get his game going on this level completely. Galloway just needs to keep working on that jumpshot. Like 1000 shots a day type of work. Bates could have a great all around game. Keep working on that mid range and at the basket and he will get it. Only a freshman but he had plenty of shining moments and seems like he has a high catch and shoot %. I'm assuming Durr returns, hopefully Lander... Need another big man or two though. Hopefully this staff can get some good work done on Durrs footwork cause... Yikes. Might be worse than Kofi. 

 

[Chris007]

11 hours ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

Woodson and then Fife.  Those are your next 20 years.  Take it or leave it.  Personally, most of us prefer you leave it rather than turn this place into another POS board like Rivals.

If Woodson doesn't work out, then it can't be Fife. You can't be an assistant on a staff that fires the head coach for not winning, then move up to head coach. If Fife wants to be the coach he better move on, or start working his rear off in practice. 

[JSHoosier]

12 hours ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

Woodson and then Fife.  Those are your next 20 years.  Take it or leave it.  Personally, most of us prefer you leave it rather than turn this place into another POS board like Rivals.

The only way that happens is if Woodson actually works out, as a 64 year old with no college experience.  If he doesn't, they're not replacing him with an assistant from his failed staff.

[Chris007]

5 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

The only way that happens is if Woodson actually works out, as a 64 year old with no college experience.  If he doesn't, they're not replacing him with an assistant from his failed staff.

Exactly. But I guess that could be something only IU would do

[JSHoosier]

6 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Exactly. But I guess that could be something only IU would do

The way this program has been run, that wouldn't be surprising.

[Hoosierfan2017]

Why would people even want Fife as head coach? Seems like another guy folks want because he’s an “IU guy.” We’re trying that with Woodson. If he doesn’t work out, no reason to replace him with another underqualified “IU guy.”  The fact Fife hasn’t taken a shot at a mid-major job yet is a little odd to me. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

36 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Why would people even want Fife as head coach? Seems like another guy folks want because he’s an “IU guy.” We’re trying that with Woodson. If he doesn’t work out, no reason to replace him with another underqualified “IU guy.”  The fact Fife hasn’t taken a shot at a mid-major job yet is a little odd to me. 

I personally love that Fife is back as an assistant and I WANT it to work with Woody but i've got my concerns.  As far as Fife as the next head coach, that's bonkers.  Fife would need to do a 5-7 year very successful build at a mid major again before earning what should be a top 20 job in the land.