Ooooook who’s your # 2?

[cthomas]

Admittedly, I don't know much about most of the current candidates. That said, I really liked the comments Beard made about his team and playing in the Hall. Seems like that might work. Then it would be on us to make him want to stay.

[JSHoosier]

25 minutes ago, NVFalcons1990 said:

EXACTLY.....He's a Texas guy, all family from Texas.   Sources say Texas is his dream job.  We would constantly be looking over our shoulders.

Or he could come here, like it, and want to stay.  Not unlike a guy in Boston that once had IU as his dream job.

[RaceToTheTop]

11 minutes ago, Treesh said:

I’ll take Beard over Car Salesman any day.

I guess I don't get the 'car salesman' image.  I haven't heard guys he has brought in promising something he's not delivering on.  Does he use the transfer portal to his advantage?  Certainly.  And he gets results.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

1 minute ago, brumdog45 said:

I guess I don't get the 'car salesman' image.  I haven't heard guys he has brought in promising something he's not delivering on.  Does he use the transfer portal to his advantage?  Certainly.  And he gets results.

I think he was referencing Lander's mother referring to Archie as a used car salesman.

[lillurk]

1 minute ago, brumdog45 said:

I guess I don't get the 'car salesman' image.  I haven't heard guys he has brought in promising something he's not delivering on.  Does he use the transfer portal to his advantage?  Certainly.  And he gets results.

Agreed, and if the opposition is to transfers you’re really gonna handicap the next coach, whoever it is.

Beard has done nicely with transfers, too. Believe 2 starters on his national runner up were transfers, and one of his best players this year, too

[Dave from Dayton]

4 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I think he was referencing Lander's mother referring to Archie as a used car salesman.

I hadn't heard that about Archie.  Actually heard the opposite.  That Archie was realistic and no nonsense.

The used car salesman or snake oil salesman talk was about Crean.  Not that he lied.  Just that he did hype a lot and was more than flamboyant.  And he was all over the place in his delivery.

Edited March 20, 2021 by Dave from Dayton

[ib4iu]

Let’s just hire a staff of Pitino, Beilein, Matta, and Alford. All of them just titled coach. Everyone can be happy and mad at the same time lol

[RaceToTheTop]

14 minutes ago, Magisterium said:

my whole point re: a potential J Beilein hire is that you'd likely get Patrick Beilein as a "twofer" w/ PB being installed as John's likely successor--for me, that's a hard pass

I don't know why some (not you) seem to think Dolson could 1) hire J Beilein and simultaneously 2) make John install someone Scott/IU picked as John's successor--that's just not how these things work

Disagree 100% that picking John Beilein as our coach leads to Patrick Beilein being his successor.  Simply not true.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

1 minute ago, Dave from Dayton said:

I hadn't heard that about Archie.  Actually heard the opposite.  That Archie was realistic and no nonsense.

The used car salesman or snake oil salesman talk was about Crean.  Not that he lied.  Just that he did hype a lot and was more than flamboyant.

There were reports that Mrs. Lander sent out a text during our last game referring to Archie as a used car salesman in reaction to how few minutes Khristian played.

[Magisterium]

9 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

John might want that, but IU doesn't have to play along, no one but IU gets to name the next HC. Same with the second option, IU could request or even demand it but Beilein could decline a force fed Asst. 

again, this is my point: if John's hire is conditioned on Dolson/IU getting to pick his assistant(s), I don't think there's any way Beilein will accept that. Nor should he.

So if JB truly is the "backup plan" to Beard, I think Scott may end up moving farther down whatever list he's actually using--unless Dolson & the donors are OK with the specter of Patrick Beilein becoming IU's head BB coach around 2025 or so. Which IMO would be reckless.

[RaceToTheTop]

6 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I think he was referencing Lander's mother referring to Archie as a used car salesman.

Treesh can certainly clarify, but I am positive he was referring to Musselman with this statement -- he has stated his very negative opinion of Musselman.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

JB will be the detonation of my IUBB diehard fandom.  
 

If that happens,  I will put this program on the back burner.  It would be the saddest day in my life as a fan.  Any thought of blue blood status and it’s return would be done for me.

It sounds dramatic but it’s my truth.  
 

please don’t let this happen. 

Edited March 20, 2021 by WayneFleekHoosier

[RaceToTheTop]

5 minutes ago, ib4iu said:

Let’s just hire a staff of Pitino, Beilein, Matta, and Alford. All of them just titled coach. Everyone can be happy and mad at the same time lol

That would make our a coach combined 250 years old or so.  No thanks.

[mdiu28]

I truly don't understand those who are 1000% opposed to John Beilein. Yes, he's old. Yes, he won't be here long term but guess what - with the way we've reacted in recent years to coaches - NO ONE not named Brad Stevens will be here very long if the results aren't there. We just fired Archie after 4 years bc he sucked. The same thing will happen to Beard, Oats, Musselman, Drew, or whoever is hired. You can't come here now and say things will be different this time around - they won't. 

Beilein is the surest bet right now if you ask me if we want to be contending. Please don't give me the **** about what he said. He made a mistake and I'm willing to bet most recruits either don't know about it or have forgotten. Kids in HS don't pay attention to that nonsense or what JB was doing in Cleveland. Now - will other coaches use it against him - that's a valid point. But I'd even go as far as to say kids will look at the fact that he coached in the NBA as a positive.

[ib4iu]

13 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

That would make our a coach combined 250 years old or so.  No thanks.

But a lot of combined final four runs. Obviously a joke but what a wild ride it would be if they all were coaches. 

[Magnanimous]

9 minutes ago, mdiu28 said:

I truly don't understand those who are 1000% opposed to John Beilein. Yes, he's old. Yes, he won't be here long term but guess what - with the way we've reacted in recent years to coaches - NO ONE not named Brad Stevens will be here very long if the results aren't there. We just fired Archie after 4 years bc he sucked. The same thing will happen to Beard, Oats, Musselman, Drew, or whoever is hired. You can't come here now and say things will be different this time around - they won't. 

Beilein is the surest bet right now if you ask me if we want to be contending. Please don't give me the **** about what he said. He made a mistake and I'm willing to bet most recruits either don't know about it or have forgotten. Kids in HS don't pay attention to that nonsense or what JB was doing in Cleveland. Now - will other coaches use it against him - that's a valid point. I'd even go as far as to say kids will look at the fact that he coached in the NBA as a positive.

I just don't see him coaching more than five or six years, and if he does then he's going to be really old for a D1 coach. In either scenario, what sell can he make after his first few recruiting classes?

[jonz44]

1 hour ago, Magisterium said:

you OK w/ Patrick Beilein? 'cause that's who we very well might get if John B is hired as Head Coach

ask the folks at Niagara what they think of Patrick now

If John could perform the next 5-6 years like he did the last 5-6 years st Michigan? I'm good with Patrick... don't mean we have to give Patrick the job when John leaves. I did qualify what I said.

[TheDarkKnight69]

I’m on the Jon Scheyer train. Young and upcoming coach.  Was a finalist to get the Pitt job. It’s not a sure thing, but if anyone thinks they have a realistic sure thing out there, I’d call them a liar.  Could be our coach for the next 30+ years if things go well

[mdiu28]

4 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

I just don't see him coaching more than five or six years, and if he does then he's going to be really old for a D1 coach. In either case, what does he have to offer after his first few recruiting classes?

We'll be a contender for a NC within 2-3 years.

He'll get our program to a respectable level and that's how people need to look at him. As a bridge between where we are now (complete trash) to knocking on the door of where we want to be (back to blue blood status). Once we're there, every coach in the nation will be begging for a phone call from IU - including he who must not be named at the moment. 

The man can coach winners with lesser talent - sound like someone the majority of us are all sad about? 

[BayernFan]

IU needs to hire a coach who is a student of the game, loves to teach it, has won championships everywhere including overseas, has adapted to the changes of the game and Players over the last 40 years, and is already in the HOF.