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[Hoosierfan2017]

Steve Alford isn’t even a good coach. He’s coached D1 basketball since 1995 and has never made it past the sweet 16. Take his name off his resume and IU would have no interest in him. His calling card is that he won a national championship at IU 34 years ago, but unfortunately that doesn’t help his mediocre coaching. 

[Trish]

33 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Steve Alford isn’t even a good coach. He’s coached D1 basketball since 1995 and has never made it past the sweet 16. Take his name off his resume and IU would have no interest in him. His calling card is that he won a national championship at IU 34 years ago, but unfortunately that doesn’t help his mediocre coaching. 

Fully agree. However, I imagine he'll get a call just because he's IU and knows our AD well.

We're going to have to hire a mid-major come up and I don't know who that guy will be.

[8bucks]

The problem IU will face is that they never tried the “IU” guy approach. We went a lot of directions but did not try that. Is that a guarantee for success ~ no. But it is a route not traveled and alumni/boosters who dole out money may have an interest in this.

The problem is there really aren’t any obvious home run candidates. 20 years of mediocrity and coaching turnover hasn’t helped groom anyone.


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[Brass Cannon]

Just now, 8bucks said:

The problem IU will face is that they never tried the “IU” guy approach. We went a lot of directions but did not try that. Is that a guarantee for success ~ no. But it is a route not traveled and alumni/boosters who dole out money may have an interest in this.

The problem is there really aren’t any obvious home run candidates. 20 years of mediocrity and coaching turnover hasn’t helped groom anyone.


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Mike Davis counts as an IU guy.  And our greatest success was with a coach with the least connections to the program.  

[HoosierAloha]

1 minute ago, 8bucks said:

The problem IU will face is that they never tried the “IU” guy approach. We went a lot of directions but did not try that. Is that a guarantee for success ~ no. But it is a route not traveled and alumni/boosters who dole out money may have an interest in this.

The problem is there really aren’t any obvious home run candidates. 20 years of mediocrity and coaching turnover hasn’t helped groom anyone.


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This is a statement in more general terms but it drives me ******* bonkers.  When there is an opening, whatever the job is, you hire the person that is the best candidate.  We've ****ed this up so many times you'd think we'd learn from it but, sadly, we'll probably continue to **** it up by trying to satisfy some outside entity.  HIRE THE BEST CANDIDATE FOR THE ******* PROGRAM!

[Alford Bailey]

Even if we hire another mediocre coach but he can recruit guards we would be well ahead of where we are currently.

[TheWatShot]

48 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

How is stating we’d have to pay Archie’s buyout and a new coach’s salary fear-mongering?


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Because people make it sound like we'd have to pay everything up front. Like we need $10 to make Archie go away, another $3 million for the next coach, and another $3-4 million to buy out that coach from his current school...all at once. People wondering how we'd ever come up with that much money and saying there's no chance we could do it, it's too much. 

[rcbowla]

If Archie does indeed get next season and Rajon Rondo were to retire this year I'd be curious if he'd have interest in coaching college basketball. I believe he's hinted towards coaching after playing and the dude knows the game. He'd have the clout with recruits and I'd imagine his basketball IQ, which is up there with anyone, would make him pretty good at x's and o's. Just a thought I had

 

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[Trish]

Just now, Alford Bailey said:

Even if we hire another mediocre coach but he can recruit guards we would be well ahead of where we are currently.

I really don't like that argument as others have mentioned, we're just rearranging furniture in our living room. A home-run hire is a requirement. If we're going to make a lateral move then the Crean fire was a terrible mistake (which it wasn't). We need a final four guy. 

[Trish]

https://twitter.com/KrugerToIU

Which one of you guys runs this account? Knock it off! LOL

[rcbowla]

I really don't like that argument as others have mentioned, we're just rearranging furniture in our living room. A home-run hire is a requirement. If we're going to make a lateral move then the Crean fire was a terrible mistake (which it wasn't). We need a final four guy. 

I agree. A temporary fix will always lead to more disappointment. This is pretty much true in all facets of life. Get it right the first time or in this case the 5th time

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[8bucks]

8 minutes ago, Treesh said:

https://twitter.com/KrugerToIU

Which one of you guys runs this account? Knock it off! LOL

Kruger was who I had hoped we would get prior to Crean. Wasn’t there some rumor that the plane was headed to wherever he was at the time.  I remember thinking we got Kruger and being “ok” with it then suddenly word broke that we got Crean instead. 
 

kruger is in that Matta category to me. Better than what we have had and will probably have a consistent NCAA team but may not be able to build us to a top 5 program. 
 

if I could not get a top home run hire but had booster support to make a change I would look strongly at a Matta/Kruger type over an up and comer.  

[HoosierAloha]

4 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Because people make it sound like we'd have to pay everything up front. Like we need $10 to make Archie go away, another $3 million for the next coach, and another $3-4 million to buy out that coach from his current school...all at once. People wondering how we'd ever come up with that much money and saying there's no chance we could do it, it's too much. 

Fear-mongering?  They're ignorant but there are some facts in there.

1)  We would have to pay a new coach $3-4 mil a year, that's fixed with any coach

2)  If they come with a buyout we'd have to pay that, $X mil a year

3)  We'd have to pay the difference/year of Archie's buyout until

Say Archie goes to ESPN, like Crean, after this year and receives a $300k salary, we hire Oats from Alabama with a $3 mil buyout and pay him $3.5 mil a year.  For Oats, that is about $9 mil ($3.5 mil for Oats contract, $3 mil for his buyout, and $3 mil or whatever for the difference in Archie's salary) his first year. 

After the first year, the buyout for the new coach would would be dropped but Archie's compensation would be there until he finds another coaching gig that pays more than several hundred thousand dollars.

[HoosierAloha]

7 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Kruger was who I had hoped we would get prior to Crean. Wasn’t there some rumor that the plane was headed to wherever he was at the time.  I remember thinking we got Kruger and being “ok” with it then suddenly word broke that we got Crean instead. 
 

kruger is in that Matta category to me. Better than what we have had and will probably have a consistent NCAA team but may not be able to build us to a top 5 program. 
 

if I could not get a top home run hire but had booster support to make a change I would look strongly at a Matta/Kruger type over an up and comer.  

If we got most of Matta's accomplishments from his time at O$U we would be a program in a much better place than we've been in a long time.

[Trish]

I'm calling John Belien before I'm even considering Lon Kruger. They are both approaching 70 but John has been far more impressive the past decade than Kruger.

 

[Stuhoo]

3 hours ago, Treesh said:

I really don't like that argument as others have mentioned, we're just rearranging furniture in our living room. A home-run hire is a requirement. If we're going to make a lateral move then the Crean fire was a terrible mistake (which it wasn't). We need a final four guy. 

You won't know if a hire is a "home run hire" until you see the results.

• In my opinion, Tom Allen has been without question a "home run hire." Did anyone have any idea at the time of his hire whether he would be a success? Nope--people were hopeful but had to wait and see.
• The last IUBB "home run hire" was Bobby Knight in 1971. Coach Knight was a 31 year old coming off of an 11-13 season at Army. He had four NIT appearances at Army in six seasons and a 102-50 record at that small school. He had ZERO NCAA appearances.
• While these are the two IU home run hires and admittedly anecdotal, the dynamic is real: Coach K, Brad Stevens, Jay Wright, Donovan at UF, Dean Smith,  Mark Few, Tom Izzo, and on and on. All examples of home run hires without a home run resume when they landed at their iconic location.

Sooooo, the trick is identifying the next and future home run hire.

 

[hper50]

28 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

You won't know if a hire is a "home run hire" until you see the results.

• In my opinion, Tom Allen was without question a "home run hire." Did anyone have any idea at the time of his hire whether he would be a success? Nope--people were hopeful but had to wait and see.
• The last IUBB "home run hire" was Bobby Knight in 1971. Coach Knight was a 31 year old coming off of an 11-13 season at Army. He had four NIT appearances at Army in six seasons and a 102-50 record at that small school. He had ZERO NCAA appearances.
• While these are the two IU home run hires and admittedly anecdotal, the dynamic is real: Coach K, Brad Stevens, Jay Wright, Donovan at UF, Dean Smith,  Mark Few, Tom Izzo, and on and on. All examples of home run hires without a home run resume when they landed at their iconic location.

Sooooo, the trick is identifying the next and future home run hire.

 

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[Trish]

48 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

You won't know if a hire is a "home run hire" until you see the results.

• In my opinion, Tom Allen was without question a "home run hire." Did anyone have any idea at the time of his hire whether he would be a success? Nope--people were hopeful but had to wait and see.
• The last IUBB "home run hire" was Bobby Knight in 1971. Coach Knight was a 31 year old coming off of an 11-13 season at Army. He had four NIT appearances at Army in six seasons and a 102-50 record at that small school. He had ZERO NCAA appearances.
• While these are the two IU home run hires and admittedly anecdotal, the dynamic is real: Coach K, Brad Stevens, Jay Wright, Donovan at UF, Dean Smith,  Mark Few, Tom Izzo, and on and on. All examples of home run hires without a home run resume when they landed at their iconic location.

Sooooo, the trick is identifying the next and future home run hire.

 

I personally thought the Tom Allen hire would be a great, but that's just me! ;)

 

Yes, the home run hire doesn't seem likely and we're more likely to fail than to succeed when hiring our next coach. Which brings me to another discussion topic that no one likes -- Indiana isn't a great job anymore. 

I'm very worried about our next coach. I have not a clue who we actually have a shot at. I agree a good coach can be found anywhere. Look at Nate Oats, coached forever in the high school ranks in Michigan, now he has a Top 15 men's team this year. Not that I'm saying Oats has a chance at coming here, but good coaches are indeed at any level. The pressure of finding the next great coach at Indiana is real.

Dolson's career fan perception is on the line here. 

[HoosierAloha]

There was some discussion that Donovan actually talked numbers with IU at some point but wanted more money for his assistants.  Why would he want more money for his assistants?  I have an idea but would like to hear others thoughts.  If IU could have hired Donovan and didn't over maybe a million a year in increased assistant's salaries that tells you what the admin is thinking.

[Feathery]

27 minutes ago, Treesh said:

I personally thought the Tom Allen hire would be a great, but that's just me! ;)

 

Yes, the home run hire doesn't seem likely and we're more likely to fail than to succeed when hiring our next coach. Which brings me to another discussion topic that no one likes -- Indiana isn't a great job anymore. 

I'm very worried about our next coach. I have not a clue who we actually have a shot at. I agree a good coach can be found anywhere. Look at Nate Oats, coached forever in the high school ranks in Michigan, now he has a Top 15 men's team this year. Not that I'm saying Oats has a chance at coming here, but good coaches are indeed at any level. The pressure of finding the next great coach at Indiana is real.

Dolson's career fan perception is on the line here. 

Talk to coaches and they will tell you IU is a desirable job. Everyone knows that the infrastructure is there to be dominant. Just need the right coach to take it on.