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[TrueHoosier62 1,815]

25 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I guess I am to old school because I don't see anything wrong with an open 12-15 foot shot.

Exactly. No doubt IU does need 3 point shooters, but just as needed are the guys who can consistently pop one from about 12-15 feet out.

I've never seen an IU team so devoid of actual basketball players. We are just chock full of NBA wannabes; athletes who just happen to play basketball.

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2 hours ago, HoosierTrav said:

We have to at least call Oats and see if there is any interest. I’m telling you. He’s the best fit for IU. Pearl would win. May could possibly win. I’m 50/50… Oats would be a legend here immediately. 

I fear he plays too fast. Top 10 in tempo is fun, but it becomes unsustainable once you run into a team that can force you out of it. Have to get a coach that can do both. 

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43 minutes ago, SamIam said:

I fear he plays too fast. Top 10 in tempo is fun, but it becomes unsustainable once you run into a team that can force you out of it. Have to get a coach that can do both. 

IIRC, Crean was run out of Bloomington because his teams could only play one way. He had little capability to adjust to what his opponents were doing. Syracuse game was prime example.

 I don’t watch much SEC basketball but it sounds like Oates’ teams are similar.

[IUHoosierJoe 2,080]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

The sweet 16 losses weren’t the problem for Crean, it was the down years. He went to 3 sweet 16s in 6 years. In the other three years, he won 0 tournament games, missed it altogether twice, and finished T-8th, T-7th, and T-10th in the Big Ten. He’d still probably be our head coach if he wasn’t so inconsistent. 

The down years didn’t help for sure.  But maybe he could have survived the down years if he’d made the final four or better in 2013 (not sure the year is right, going by memory).  There were people who wanted him fired after that, before the down years.  We put so much focus on the tournament that that season, despite all its successes, became a huge disappointment in our fans’ eyes.

[IUHoosierJoe 2,080]

1 hour ago, Scotty R said:

I guess I am to old school because I don't see anything wrong with an open 12-15 foot shot.

There’s nothing wrong with them if you make them at a high percentage.  I haven’t looked at a shot chart for our team, but we have a guy who I would almost bet makes a higher percentage of 18-footers than he does shots at the rim, because most of his shots at the rim are missed or blocked.  But for the majority of players, layups or near-layups and three-pointers are going to yield a higher effective FG%.

[HoosierHoopster 8,080]

4 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

The down years didn’t help for sure.  But maybe he could have survived the down years if he’d made the final four or better in 2013 (not sure the year is right, going by memory).  There were people who wanted him fired after that, before the down years.  We put so much focus on the tournament that that season, despite all its successes, became a huge disappointment in our fans’ eyes.

it was the inconsistency, which resulted from failing to build depth in recruiting while sending players to the League, and losing the faith of IN HS coaches. The fill-ins he gave schollys to.... His sideline mannerisms and often bad D didn't help, but if he'd not had such huge falloffs following the B1G champ - SW16 runs he'd like still be the guy. built some fantastic teams, the Cody, Vic, Hulls, Wat etc. teams, OG, Morgan, Bryant etc. but the inbetween falloffs were abysmal, and then he started losing the HS coaches

[AH1971 2,865]

2 hours ago, Scotty R said:

Well to me the ppg is the most important thing. I couldn't care less about some of these made up advanced metrics crap.

Just say you don’t understand how advance metrics work. 

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FAU gonna lose at Memphis. 

Scratch Dusty off the list -- again! 

[LamarCheeks 21,937]

Ohio State wins in East Lansing! 

Scratch Tom Izzo off the list!

Add Jake Diebler to it!!!

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Ohio State wins in East Lansing! 
Scratch Tom Izzo off the list!
Add Jake Diebler to it!!!

Wow. Coaching matters?!?


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[Scotty R 3,403]

3 hours ago, AH1971 said:

Just say you don’t understand how advance metrics work. 

I know how they work and know they ruin basketball and the way it is meant to get played.

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1 minute ago, Scotty R said:

I know how they work and know they ruin basketball and the way it is meant to get played.

How so?

[Scotty R 3,403]

Just now, AH1971 said:

How so?

Saying that the only good shots are a 3 or a layup and taking half the court away from the game. It makes it so much easier to go hard when you know a team won't shoot in the mid range. I don't want some computer geeks telling me what you s tbe best thing since they probably never played a sport in their life. If analytics led to better offensr and more scoring I would he alright with it. The problem is that scoring and shooting are down compared to the 80's and 90's.

[Stuhoo 88,305]

3 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

 If analytics led to better offense and more scoring I would he alright with it. 

Then you must be alright with it, because they do.

[AH1971 2,865]

14 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Saying that the only good shots are a 3 or a layup and taking half the court away from the game. It makes it so much easier to go hard when you know a team won't shoot in the mid range. I don't want some computer geeks telling me what you s tbe best thing since they probably never played a sport in their life. If analytics led to better offensr and more scoring I would he alright with it. The problem is that scoring and shooting are down compared to the 80's and 90's.

Oh brother lol. That’s literally not at all what they say.

Analytics say that that a 15 ft jump shot is way less efficient than a shot at the rim considering they’re both worth the same amount of points or a shot 5 feet further worth an additional point. And that would be unequivocally true.

In order for a 15 foot jump shot to be a primary staple of your offense, you’d need a player(s) who could consistently shoot ~60% from that distance. Considering the best players in the world only shoot at about a 50% clip from that distance, a 3 point shot made only 35% of the time is still a better shot. There’s a lot more 35% 3 pt shooters in this world than 60% jump shooters. Analytics have nothing to do with “computer nerds who have never played a sport”. It’s simple probability and literal data computed and incorporated to differing sports across the globe.

Edited February 26, 2024 by AH1971

[Alford Bailey 13,189]

5 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Oh brother lol. That’s literally not at all what they say.

Analytics say that that a 15 ft jump shot is way less efficient than a shot at the rim considering they’re both worth the same amount of points or a shot 5 feet further worth an additional point. And that would be unequivocally true.

In order for a 15 foot jump shot to be a primary staple of your offense, you’d need a player(s) who could consistently shoot ~60% from that distance. Considering the best players in the world only shoot at about a 50% clip from that distance, a 3 point shot made only 35% of the time is still a better shot. There’s a lot more 35% 3 pt shooters in this world than 60% jump shooters. Analytics have nothing to do with “computer nerds who have never played a sport”. It’s simple probability and literal data computed and incorporated to differing sports across the globe.

Good breakdown. I agree. 15 ft jumper BAD!

[Hillsdale87 1,515]

Saying that the only good shots are a 3 or a layup and taking half the court away from the game. It makes it so much easier to go hard when you know a team won't shoot in the mid range. I don't want some computer geeks telling me what you s tbe best thing since they probably never played a sport in their life. If analytics led to better offensr and more scoring I would he alright with it. The problem is that scoring and shooting are down compared to the 80's and 90's.

I don't know about college, but NBA offenses have never been more efficient than they are right now, and the shooting is stuff that guys in the 80s and 90s wouldn't even have been able to imagine. If college scoring and/or efficiency is down from the 80s and 90s, it's likely just because the overall talent in college is lower as guys now leave early compared to guys like MJ, Hakeem, Drexler, Ewing, etc., who stayed 3 or 4 years.


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1 minute ago, Alford Bailey said:

Good breakdown. I agree. 15 ft jumper BAD!

Let me add, a 15 foot jump shot isn’t BAD (or at least in the context Scott is suggesting) in a one off setting. But over the course of a season, you’d have to shot at an unreasonable percentage to justify a mid- range shot over a 3 point at even a reasonable clip.

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26 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Saying that the only good shots are a 3 or a layup and taking half the court away from the game. It makes it so much easier to go hard when you know a team won't shoot in the mid range. I don't want some computer geeks telling me what you s tbe best thing since they probably never played a sport in their life. If analytics led to better offensr and more scoring I would he alright with it. The problem is that scoring and shooting are down compared to the 80's and 90's.

How has this IU team, built like it's still the 90s done against teams whose coaches have based their offenses and defenses on those metrics? The answer is "pretty poorly." Those teams are blowing IU out, not the other way around. 

Coaches adopted them because they are effective, no other reason. If they were shown to not work, the coaches who tried them wouldn't last long.

Also, that isn't a new concept. The Pitino UK teams played with that philosophy and they were really good. Won a NC.

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

My candidate choice is a proven P5 conference coach that’s a proven winner.  No risk for this hire and I think Dusty May, ISU’s coach and any one below a P5 would be a risk to me.  This is my opinion and we’ve already been burned by non P5 head coaches, yes you can include Davis in this group.  Yes it narrows our scope but that’s where the search should start and end, IMO