General Coach Candidate News

[JSHoosier 21,560]

16 minutes ago, Hoosier DaDa said:

Can you please direct me to the pages that cover the Turgeon info?  I'm sure it's riveting. LOL 

Here's the cliffsnotes version.

DMV keeps trying to make Mark Turgeon a thing. It's not going to be happen. He successfully united the board, just not how he wanted.

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Just now, AH1971 said:

So style of play trumps results lol?

Ok.

Well, the results aren't comparable between the two.... so what else could you be clamoring for Cronin about? Dude went 16-17 and 10-10 in the PAC 12... in his 5th season at UCLA and his 20th season in coaching. 

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15 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Drew has a national title, and yes that inflates his overall NCAAT record

I hate it when those pesky National Championships inflate your record. 

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Just now, str8baller said:

I hate it when those pesky National Championships inflate your record. 

Isn't the majority of this board against hiring Tony Bennett? Didn't he win a national title?

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1 minute ago, str8baller said:

I hate it when those pesky National Championships inflate your record. 

that quote just made the whole post a mess to read

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1 minute ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Well, the results aren't comparable between the two.... so what else could you be clamoring for Cronin about? Dude went 16-17 and 10-10 in the PAC 12... in his 5th season at UCLA and his 20th season in coaching. 

Scott Drew had an exceptional season during COVID and hasn't duplicated anything close to that while at Baylor the last 20+ years. We call these outliers. 

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17 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Pretty wild that you're so dismissive of Cronin but consider Drew a home run. Yes Drew has a national title, and yes that inflates his overall NCAAT record, but Scott Drew is the king of first weekend exits. Honestly one of the biggest knocks on him, that and his teams generally don't play defense (which lead to early exits) and he's barely over .500 in the B12.

I say that and I like Scott Drew a lot. But Scott Drew and Mick Cronin are very similar coaches in my opinion and you're completely dismissive of one and falling over for the other.

This is about how I feel; am surprised at how similar they are. UCLA has tons of heritage, but it's well-known that they have had very poor institutional support in making the transition to NIL. I think their styles of play are very different, but that there isn't a huge gap between Drew and Cronin.

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Mick Cronin--- 11-13 in the NCAAT outside of one FF run with another coach's players. Hell sign him up!! 

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3 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

So style of play trumps results lol?

Ok.

Results trump results.  What are you even talking about?  Drew has a better resume than Cronin and coaches at a much worse school with a history of bad basketball than Cronin ever has.  

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10 minutes ago, Goober said:

I just remember 4 years ago I didn’t think we could do worse. We did!

Woodson/Archie hires are weird in that on day 1 we would all assume Woodson was a worse hire. But in results I don’t think it could get much worse than Archie. 

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Just now, JPCIVOP said:

This is about how I feel; am surprised at how similar they are. UCLA has tons of heritage, but it's well-known that they have had very poor institutional support in making the transition to NIL. I think their styles of play are very different, but that there isn't a huge gap between Drew and Cronin.

There really isn't.

Drew's best season is better than Cronin's best season but using a nearly 20 year data set, they're very comparable.

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11 minutes ago, IU Prof said:

I hope so, but I'm not sure this is consistent with how Goodman has been talking about the job the past couple weeks. I don't thinking he'd be pushing a guy like TJ Otzelberger if he knew Brad was already in the bag.

I also think the tweet would likely have been worded differently in that case, without the not a candidate bit.

Doesn't mean it's not Brad, just that I'm not convinced Goodman is in on the ruse.

Its all agents man.  They are making his low buyout public from an extension signed in January now ? Why ? Well with Rev sharing on the horizon he's trying to make sure a good percentage is gonna go towards Basketball. This is what the Iowa State 247 board has been talking about in regards to if Otz is truly interested in the IU job. and as RTZ mentioned IU job talks generates high views / interest so the national media loves it. 

Any agent worth a damn is gonna use this to get there guy what he wants in terms of NIL / Contract desires. Have Goodman and any other national guys float is name out to strong arm the ADs. If they call your bluff? Then ok maybe he does come to Bloomington if he don't already have the guy. 

Same deal with McCollum , maybe floating his name forces the hand of the AD at Iowa to move on from Fran at the risk of losing a good in state coach? Maybe maybe not . 

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Just now, AH1971 said:

Scott Drew had an exceptional season during COVID and hasn't duplicated anything close to that while at Baylor the last 20+ years. We call these outliers. 

lololol yep at Baylor. Who is complete and utter dog **** before he got there. Truly this is crazy. 

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1 minute ago, str8baller said:

Woodson/Archie hires are weird in that on day 1 we would all assume Woodson was a worse hire. But in results I don’t think it could get much worse than Archie. 

It has been a rough 8 years for sure.  

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2 minutes ago, tyappleg said:

Results trump results.  What are you even talking about?  Drew has a better resume than Cronin and coaches at a much worse school with a history of bad basketball than Cronin ever has.  

Cronin has made it past the first weekend three times in the last four seasons. Drew's made it twice in the last ten seasons. 

Drew has a higher overall achievement than Cronin (national title vs F4) but the rest of their resumes are nearly identical. 

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4 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Well, the results aren't comparable between the two.... so what else could you be clamoring for Cronin about? Dude went 16-17 and 10-10 in the PAC 12... in his 5th season at UCLA and his 20th season in coaching. 

I like the cherry picking game. Scott Drew has had a losing conference record or at .500 in 9 of his 21 seasons as Baylor's coach and hasn't made it into the tourney or past the first weekend 16 of 21 years.

 

How am I doing?

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Just now, AH1971 said:

Cronin has made it past the first weekend three times in the last four seasons. Drew's made it twice in the last ten seasons. 

Drew has a higher overall achievement than Cronin (national title vs F4) but the rest of their resumes are nearly identical. 

They aren't even close.

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2 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

They aren't even close.

You're right. Cronin has a superior winning % and a vastly superior conference winning %.

[IU Prof 1,503]

One thought that has probably already been posted, but just occurred to me...

Let's say Dolson is of the mind to use smokescreens for a search like this. And let's say he landed a big fish (Few, Drew, Pearl, etc.) early on. Brad would be the ultimate smokescreen, in order to keep the true hire protected until after the season...

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Just now, iu eyedoc said:

I like the cherry picking game. Scott Drew has had a losing conference record or at .500 in 9 of his 21 seasons as Baylor's coach and hasn't made it into the tourney or past the first weekend 16 of 21 years.

 

How am I doing?

Do you mean, LAST SEASON, is cherry-picking? That's something. Wow.