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[323SGrant 1,176]

We’d have an extra banner or 2 hanging alongside the other 5 of Sampson had continued being the coach. People can say what they want from their moral ivory tower. He was the best coach since knight and what he did at ok or IU doesn’t make him an immoral human, like many IU fans try to make him out to be. I wish we had him back honestly. 

When Sampson persuaded Eric Gordon to decommit from Illinois and commit to IU, I was dancing a jig.


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[lillurk 3,738]

38 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

To expand on this, Davis was over .500 overall in 5 of 6 seasons (granted first couple were Knight's players), .500 or better in conference every year but 1, made the NCAA 4 times with atleast 1 win 3 times, and was in NCAA 2nd round his last year.

 

We'd have people wanting to extend Miller for the results that we wanted Davis run out of town for.

 

Archie Miller is worse than Mike Davis, a guy that had zero HC experience, and somehow he still has a job.

Yes, hard to overstate that the ONLY comparable four year stretch in IU history in terms of poor outcomes is Crean’s first four years, and he inherited a much bigger mess. We’d all take Crean’s first four and where we stood then over Archie’s first four every day of the week.

[lillurk 3,738]

Just now, lillurk said:

Yes, hard to overstate that the ONLY comparable four year stretch in IU history in terms of poor outcomes is Crean’s first four years, and he inherited a much bigger mess. We’d all take Crean’s first four and where we stood then over Archie’s first four every day of the week.

*four year stretch under a single coach

[Trish 11,505]

50 minutes ago, Feathery said:

The opposite? Sounds like you agree it hasn’t been good enough. If a recruit is a bust, then that’s on the coach for misidentification or lack of player development. 

Yeah I’m saying Archie is responsible but the players are also responsible. Archie is the fall guy in the situation since he is the head coach. 
 

 

[Feathery 4,005]

8 minutes ago, Treesh said:

Yeah I’m saying Archie is responsible but the players are also responsible. Archie is the fall guy in the situation since he is the head coach. 
 

 

Yup. Such is the life of a coach. It’s win or go home. The guy making millions is always going to be the guy responsible for the losing over the 18-22 year old young men. 

[Hoosier Guy 7,518]

48 minutes ago, 323SGrant said:

When Sampson persuaded Eric Gordon to decommit from Illinois and commit to IU, I was dancing a jig.


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I was in 6th grade with the Midnight Madness that season. Assembly Hall was insane that night. The start of a new era and you had Eric Gordon flip from Illinois to IU that day. That was a fun night

[MikeRoberts 6,914]

5 minutes ago, Treesh said:

Yeah I’m saying Archie is responsible but the players are also responsible. Archie is the fall guy in the situation since he is the head coach. 
 

 

It’s not him being the fall guy, it is his job, he makes all the decisions and is paid $3+ million a year and if he actually won games he could be at $4 million a year with incentives 

that’s crazy to think how much money he has been paid to have the worst 4 year stretch in IU history. Think about that, worse than Mike Davis, worse than Tom Crean.

Crean won 27 games in year 4 and almost knocked off eventual champion Kentucky in the Sweet 16. All that after only inheriting Kyle taber 3 years earlier.

there is nothing, absolutely nothing to be excited about the past 4 years and as we go into year 5 with gaping holes and open scholarships and still can’t shoot or defend the 3, enough is enough

Zero winning seasons in the bigten, zero

 

[lillurk 3,738]

Knight’s team was ranked top five at some point in each of his first six years, went to a final 4 in y2, undefeated until an injury y4, undefeated national champ y5.

Davis was ranked at some point each of the first three years and went 6-3 in the tournament in those years.

Sampson: ranked both years, won a tournament game in y1, 22-4 and top ten when fired.

Crean: probably should’ve been better in y3 but y4 got into the top 10 and lost a great game to the champs in the sweet sixteen.

No need to make the Archie excuses with the next coach. They don’t “need their guys” or “need to implement their system” in a way that takes years.

Year one is almost always a transition of sorts but basketball isn’t football, you only need a small number of players to be pretty darn good. Michigan’s a good example: they’ve got six real Dudes (Smith, Brooks, Wagner, Livers, Dickinson, Brown) and some other guys who are either limited backups or youngsters who don’t contribute much but have some potential.

[RaceToTheTop 24,922]

I'm scouting the Arkansas/LSU game for y'all to watch Musselman.

It's currently Arkansas 29, LSU 24.....9 minutes into the game.

IU didn't score 60 points in 40 minutes in our last four games.

[Magisterium 377]

21 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I truly don’t know how the trustees could watch this season, watch us get beat by Purdue every time we play them, and still be 50/50 of the money is there. Just makes me sad as someone who loves IU. We are our own worst enemy. 

some of these people, I suspect, are the same people who resisted the facilities updates and construction of Cook Hall since "Bob Knight won championships without them" and they thought the improvements were unnecessary

this time around I additionally suspect they're more worried about the (supposed) national "bad optics" that might result from dismissing a coach in his 4th year than they are worried about wins and losses. Appearance over substance, in other words...

[Golfman25 5,002]

4 hours ago, Treesh said:

Archie fans (just me I guess) 

 

we’re going to make it two full days with Archie staying! The train stays rolling! 
 

LOL

Yeah.  Can we start of Fire Donolson thread?  

[hoosierbannerd 1,519]

11 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Yeah.  Can we start of Fire Donolson thread?  

 Mike Donolson..ran a power wash business, great pool player..he needs to be fired?

[JSHoosier 19,819]

4 hours ago, Treesh said:

Archie fans (just me I guess) 

 

we’re going to make it two full days with Archie staying! The train stays rolling! 
 

LOL

He's worse than Mike Davis, that train isn't rolling it's derailed and burning.

[8bucks 6,347]

1 hour ago, brumdog45 said:

I'm scouting the Arkansas/LSU game for y'all to watch Musselman.

It's currently Arkansas 29, LSU 24.....9 minutes into the game.

IU didn't score 60 points in 40 minutes in our last four games.

See what he did when he did not like how Justin blew that layup/dunk?

[Chad Richardson 19]

I want Dane Fife because

1.He once bit a Iowa player

2.He has learned basketball from some of the best 

3. He has been stealing IN talent for years

4. He once bit a Iowa player

[Uspshoosier 45,023]

1 hour ago, brumdog45 said:

I'm scouting the Arkansas/LSU game for y'all to watch Musselman.

It's currently Arkansas 29, LSU 24.....9 minutes into the game.

IU didn't score 60 points in 40 minutes in our last four games.

Sec basketball compared to B1G basketball is like a different sport.   There is a reason B1G struggles to bring in top recruits.  Amazing the differences in the flow of the game and the way they are officiated 

[bigrod 2,848]

I was all about getting rid of Mike Davis at the time, but it’s tough to look at the success he had and not be envious of that now. We just had much higher expectations at the time. He was a really good recruiter, but not so great on the development. Bracey Wright and Marshall Strickland were really good players, but didn’t improve a lot under Davis. Hindsight being what it is, you have to wonder what might have happened if we would have given him time to mature as a coach. Although, he didn’t last long at UAB.

Sampson was definitely a case of the administration’s holier than though attitude. They wanted it both ways. In truth, it was the administration that killed IU basketball, not Sampson. They decided to give us the death penalty for text messages when the NCAA probably would have slapped us on the wrist. Let’s face it, they removed that rule a year or two later. That’s how important it was. The things that Sampson allowed behind the scenes were much worse than text messages. The guy was a really good coach though. The best we’ve had since Knight.

I guess what I’m trying to say is, wow, how much more dysfunctional can we get? Seems like we can’t go anywhere but up from here, but that’s how I’ve felt since Sampson got removed. If there’s a way to screw it up, I’m pretty sure the administration will find it. 

[Chris007 43,565]

7 minutes ago, Chad Richardson said:

I want Dane Fife because

1.He once bit a Iowa player

2.He has learned basketball from some of the best 

3. He has been stealing IN talent for years

4. He once bit a Iowa player

He would be better than what we got right now. I have no problem giving him a chance. I think he would bite at the chance of coaching IU

[JSHoosier 19,819]

3 minutes ago, bigrod said:

I was all about getting rid of Mike Davis at the time, but it’s tough to look at the success he had and be envious of that now. We just had much higher expectations at the time. He was a really good recruiter, but not so great on the development. Bracey Wright and Marshall Strickland were really good players, but didn’t improve a lot under Davis. Hindsight being what it is, you have to wonder what might have happened if we would have given him time to mature as a coach. Although, he didn’t last long at UAB.

Sampson was definitely a case of the administration’s holier than though attitude. They wanted it both ways. In truth, it was the administration that killed IU basketball, not Sampson. They decided to give us the death penalty for text messages when the NCAA probably would have slapped us on the wrist. Let’s face it, they removed that rule a year or two later. That’s how important it was. The things that Sampson allowed behind the scenes were much worse than text messages. The guy was a really good coach though. The best we’ve had since Knight.

I guess what I’m trying to say is, wow, how much more dysfunctional can we get? Seems like we can’t go anywhere but up from here, but that’s how I’ve felt since Sampson got removed. If there’s a way to screw it up, I’m pretty sure the administration will find it. 

I never thought we'd have a coach that would make me prefer Davis, but here we are.

Honestly, I'm not sure the administration even  wants to get it right in the first place.

[LIHoosier 25,817]

1 hour ago, Magisterium said:

some of these people, I suspect, are the same people who resisted the facilities updates and construction of Cook Hall since "Bob Knight won championships without them" and they thought the improvements were unnecessary

this time around I additionally suspect they're more worried about the (supposed) national "bad optics" that might result from dismissing a coach in his 4th year than they are worried about wins and losses. Appearance over substance, in other words...

Are you sure 'Appearance Over Substance' isn't already IU's tag line?