General Coach Candidate News

[monskisprodigy 2,266]

1 minute ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

I hope his job isn't on the line for a basketball hire. 

I think it would at a minimum, put him in a very uncomfortable position. 

Hope it doesn't come to that...but my point being, I feel like Dolson had to be comfortable with the options on the table, understanding the importance of the next hire, before making a move on from Woodson. With that, I have trouble believing the list that made him move was mid-majors. 

[Chris007 60,567]

12 minutes ago, the_jackal said:

Stevens was never a real thing, i feel bad for those who believed it. I understand wanting to believe it, we are fans after all, but it was never going to happen. 

Mccollum shows every sign of having what it takes to be a great coach. the biggest tell to me is that other coaches (May, Mccasland, Buzz and others) actually call him for his thoughts on their system and how he'd improve it. when successful coaches are calling him for Xs and Os advice, thats big. i would bet for him to win big wherever he lands next, and i'd prefer it's at IU instead of Iowa. 

But again, takes 2 to tango. will see if he wants the job. if he goes Iowa, i would happily take Devries as our next coach. I love Alan Huss, he will win big somewhere too, just not a candidate this go around for IU for whatever reason. hope we aren't here again in 4-5 years, but if we are Huss should be at the top of the list then and wants the job

- Jackal

As someone very connected told me last week,  Be careful of people talking because they don't know anything, if they do know something then they wouldn't be talking if they knew what was good for them due to the NDA's. I remember you getting in some trouble for talking last time.

I appreciate you feeling bad for some people. If I'm wrong I'll be here next week to take the heat. If you are right or wrong we won't see you again till the next search. 

BS is 1A BM is 1B I'll stick to it.

[WRSMick55 225]

5 hours ago, SlammySammy said:

Love your image. Grew up watching Sammy Terry and loved those Universal monsters and still a fan a today.

[MikeRoberts 7,875]

10 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

I’m not saying one way or another…but I’m pretty sure rabjohns would be THE LAST person they would tell if Stevens is coming….plus if the goal is they want to keep it quiet. I mean, the guy owns his own website based on rumors. 

I agree, IU would tell others before him. What I don’t understand is that when told by a donor that it’s Brad Stevens, why not press that person further? If they are calling him to tell him that they aren’t being secretive and would likely tell him everything they know. 
Everyone that I have seen post things around this just say “it’s Brad” and then post the years and salary. What’s more important is confirming the other details like when was Stevens with Scott or Pam and where? How many times did they meet and when was the last time? What does Brad’s daughter think of this? Who are the people around Scott that do know and which one of them told you the donor this was happening and when was the last time they told you that?

if the donor can answer a lot of those questions I would start believing. Just saying it’s Brad and 6 years $66mm or whatever is very vague and could be really really old info 

[Kentuckysucks 4,330]

4 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Yeah. What exactly does better with IU's resources and admission standards equate to?  Maybe 60-65% overall and 50% in conference? Basically, Woodson level.

Basically, he was able to hit on a few underrated players over his tenure there. Outside of that, pretty blah results.

I think what people are saying is that it's virtually impossible to get anyone but 2 and 3 star recruits at NW.  You could argue that a prime time Bobby Knight would have had difficulty winning any more games than Collins has at NW.  We don't know if that's true or not.  He would be no riskier than a mid major hire at all.

[rcbowla 8,096]

1 hour ago, RaceToTheTop said:

He’s more realistic in terms of Beard. 

I agree. I don't think either will be the coach but of the 2 Wade is more likely and actually the more preferred of the 2 for me. 

[JaybobHoosier 12,890]

1 minute ago, monskisprodigy said:

The questions that I keep coming back to....

This hire could, if wrong, cost Dolson his job IMO...he got the football hire right (so it appears after year 1), but this is a different animal. Get this wrong, again...and it will get ugly. 

With that in mind, does Dolson roll the dice on mid-major guy, with that much on the line? And if it's a roll of the dice, or a mid-major guy, given all the leg work he surely would have done, would he have moved on from Woodson?

I agree, but I think the issue is that college coaches don’t seem to be jumping ship quite as easily as they used to. 
 

While I would love a very successful coach at a lower P4 school, it may just not be in the cards. I’m not out on mid-majors after Archie. I think IU learned a lot this last go around with that, and they can better adjust their search with mid-major coaches. 
 

I’m not saying McCollum or Huss are my top candidates, but getting a mid-major type might be the most feasible option Dolson has. We just don’t know because of how tight lipped this is. 

[moyemayhem 1,701]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

BS is 1A BM is 1B I'll stick to it.

Personally, I've always thought of BM as #2.

[JSHoosier 22,180]

10 minutes ago, JustWinBaby said:

I think we all have PTSD from the amount of bad hires that have been made. But Archie was on its face a bad hire for many reasons. McCollum does not share much at all in common with Archie in terms of his approach to the game, coaching style, personality, etc.

Eventually a coaching hire is going to work out here. IU basketball has been criminally mismanaged by its administration for three decades; we now (finally) have an AD and President that actually “get it” when it comes to athletics and are actually committed to winning. Their approach to this hire is unlike any other coaching search we’ve seen. I trust them to get it right.

This is the same administration that hired Mike Woodson and gave him a 1m raise for what should've been bare minimum expectations. Then didn't fire him when they should have.

Indiana has given no reason to think they won't screw this one up too.

[DChoosier 9,417]

4 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

I'd be more shocked than I was when we hired Woody if we hired someone on an active show cause. That said, I care precisely none about financial silliness and paying players. I would take Wade, but I would put the chances at less than zero.

I suppose that one advantage of Wade is that his experience paying players predates NIL.

[Scotty R 3,298]

I just don't understand how some people can't grasp the college landscape of today. I see if we have to hire a mid major it shows how far down IU has come but I say that is how far college basketball has changed.

Also I don't see much difference in coaching a D2 program than being a coach at schools like Hofstra, Northeastern and Buffalo. Low majors like these are not much difference then running a D2 program. If you can build a program and have great success that can be duplicated at a higher level.

I wonder how the fans bases st Villanova, UCONN and Alabama thought when they hired coaches from Hofstra, Northeastern and Buffalo

 

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 11,055]

5 minutes ago, monskisprodigy said:

I think it would at a minimum, put him in a very uncomfortable position. 

Hope it doesn't come to that...but my point being, I feel like Dolson had to be comfortable with the options on the table, understanding the importance of the next hire, before making a move on from Woodson. With that, I have trouble believing the list that made him move was mid-majors. 

ahhh... I'm not in on the "we have to auto-get a big name guy" so, we'll just have to agree to disagree. 

[Mr. Hoosier Pride 1,541]

2 minutes ago, moyemayhem said:

Personally, I've always thought of BM as #2.

[HoosierSadaseci 2,982]

2 hours ago, AKHoosier said:

I'm just ready to start supporting and following our new coach.

I legit don't even care who it is anymore. (Just not Brownell please).

Part of Dolson's plan...one part misdirection...one part apathy...pummel IU fans into submission so they won't care who is hired...

[DSUMMITT 373]

3 minutes ago, moyemayhem said:

Personally, I've always thought of BM as #2.

You see? Gold! How could we not want to have a coach with either the initials BS or BM? The applications....

[Hoosierfan1901 8,119]

4 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I just don't understand how some people can't grasp the college landscape of today. I see if we have to hire a mid major it shows how far down IU has come but I say that is how far college basketball has changed.

Also I don't see much difference in coaching a D2 program than being a coach at schools like Hofstra, Northeastern and Buffalo. Low majors like these are not much difference then running a D2 program. If you can build a program and have great success that can be duplicated at a higher level.

I wonder how the fans bases st Villanova, UCONN and Alabama thought when they hired coaches from Hofstra, Northeastern and Buffalo

 

Hell, Danny Hurley was from Rhode Island and I remember after his 4th year at UConn their fans thought he wasn’t good. And the rest is history after the last 2 seasons.

[Trish 14,324]

1 hour ago, LamarCheeks said:

I think Brownell's "rumored connection" to IU is born purely from writers speculating that he could be a candidate. 

And that is for two reasons 

1) He's had a couple very good seasons 

2) He's from Indiana 

and I would think about 90% of that speculation is because of No. 2. I obviously don't know for sure, but I have doubts that he is or ever was a serious candidate. 

Completely agree. No one here would consider him if he wasn't born in Indiana. Hell, I didn't even know his name and I know the CBB landscape. 

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3 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I just don't understand how some people can't grasp the college landscape of today.

But this didn’t start with us fans—Dolson has echoed the same points from the beginning. Maybe he didn’t grasp it either? I really don’t know. 
 

See his comments here: 

 

[HoosierHuddle 447]

4 minutes ago, NVFalcons1990 said:

I love Devries over all others......look what he has done with West Virginia after his run at Drake!  So if he wins game one of Big 12 tourney he will hit 20 wins again, doing it all without his son who was their leading scorer but was injured in game #8.  West Viriginia was 9-23 last year.

 

Drake Bulldogs (Missouri Valley Conference) (2018–2024)
2018–19	Drake	24–10	12–6	T–1st	CIT First Round
2019–20	Drake	20–14	8–10	8th	Postseason cancelled
2020–21	Drake	26–5	15–3	2nd	NCAA Division I Round of 64
2021–22	Drake	25–11	13–5	T–2nd	CBI Quarterfinals
2022–23	Drake	27–8	15–5	2nd	NCAA Division I Round of 64
2023–24	Drake	28–7	16–4	2nd	NCAA Division I Round of 64
Drake:		150–55 (.732)	78–33 (.703)
West Virginia Mountaineers (Big 12 Conference) (2024–present)
2024–25	West Virginia	19–12	10–10

My post is not meant to denigrate Darian DeVries...he's a good coach. I do want to dive into a few things on his resume. 

2018-2019 - Drake was 135th in KenPom - 137th offense/139th defense and 94th tempo

2019-2020 - 163rd overall - 189 O/155 D and 204 tempo

2020-2021 - 55th overall - 33rd O/101 D and 271 tempo

2021-2022 - 84th overall - 73rd O/113 D and 228 tempo

2022-2023 - 69th overall - 108 O/40 D and 220 tempo

2023-2024 - 53 overall - 40 O/73 D and 148 tempo

Drake this season is 57 overall - 77th offense and 47th defense and 364 tempo

West Virginia this season is 51 - 127 offense and 13 defense and 325 tempo

In summary, DeVries has the benefit of a fantastic talent as his son and has not had a top 30 offense in seven seasons. He's had no teams that finished in the top 50 in KenPom. There might be stories of other coaches (guys like Shaka Smart, Grant McCasland, Buzz Williams) holding him in extremely high-regard but I have not seen them for DeVries as I have for a coach like McCollum. Now, he was an assistant at Creighton and does have one year of high-major experience and I do believe he is a good coach...I would personally give the edge to McCollum but it's all subjective. I just wanted to point out those numbers for a bit of context (albeit certainly not determinative). 

[Hornsby 3,870]

Stevens was never a real thing, i feel bad for those who believed it. I understand wanting to believe it, we are fans after all, but it was never going to happen. 
Mccollum shows every sign of having what it takes to be a great coach. the biggest tell to me is that other coaches (May, Mccasland, Buzz and others) actually call him for his thoughts on their system and how he'd improve it. when successful coaches are calling him for Xs and Os advice, thats big. i would bet for him to win big wherever he lands next, and i'd prefer it's at IU instead of Iowa. 
But again, takes 2 to tango. will see if he wants the job. if he goes Iowa, i would happily take Devries as our next coach. I love Alan Huss, he will win big somewhere too, just not a candidate this go around for IU for whatever reason. hope we aren't here again in 4-5 years, but if we are Huss should be at the top of the list then and wants the job
- Jackal

I never really believed it. Jerry got some excited but it was likely all bs. Looks like we will get an underwhelming hire once again since we didn't hire may last year

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