General Coach Candidate News

[EasyEJay]

1 minute ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I do have to say I don't know how much credit he should be getting for that.  Trayce Jackson Davis certainly improved under Woodson but finding a guy that fits that bill -- no outside game at all -- that fits into the NBA is like striking gold that likely isn't going to be struck again.  It's not like we should be seeing Ballo or Reneau at the next level.  JHS seemingly got way over drafted and is a mid range shooter that probably should have never been drafted where he was.  In the end, there will have only been one successfully NBA player come from IU under Woodson.

I mean you can say that about any coach at any school with any player. But any coach is still gonna take credit and use that as a selling point to recruits who aren't fans that know better . They just see the pictures on visits of pro players who played there and envision there faces 

[Pagoda]

1 hour ago, theriverpilot said:

I know it's been said before in the past, but I'll bring it up again.  The IUBB and Nebraska football mirror each other with the uphill battle to return to prominence.  I'm really starting to temper my expectations at this point.

IUBB and NUFB really do feel similar, all the down to the school colors and saying "Go Big Red."  It freaks me out.

That said, in my opinion, IUBB and NUFB have different issues, and IUBB is more fixable than NUFB.  This is probably me rationalizing it to some extent, but I think it's true.

NUFB has three pretty permanent problems:

1) They have a recruiting issue in that they're in the middle of nowhere.  To be an elite program you've got to recruit the country now and not just a region.  Lincoln is a hard place to recruit to -- it's far away and hard to get to for players, and their families have a tough time going to games too.  Not ideal.

2) Their their strength (steroid?) program is no longer the competitive advantage it was pre-2000.  Every school has a great strength program now that gets great results (without the 'roids).

3) Their NIL is good, but not top-10.

It's true Nebraska has struggled with their coaches, but they have pretty permanent structural programs that hold them back.

IUBB, as we know, seems to primarily be a coach selection problem that persisted mostly due to people meddling with the AD's job for 25 years. Everything needed to be a good program is still present: the top-5 monetary support, the huge fan support, nice facilities, nice town, location is reasonable, etc.

So, I think IUBB is a coach away from getting fixed.  That's not an easy fix, but it's just one move away.  NUFB even with a good coach is going to be fighting a tougher battle given their location, NIL levels, and some old advantages they will never have again.

[Hornsby]

Now that Beard has came and gone (allegedly), who is the legit leader in the clubhouse? 

So beard is out? Unreal.

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[EasyEJay]

1 minute ago, Shoes_N_Shorts said:

Tell me you've never heard of Ben McCollum without telling me...

More than willing to admit that you have probably watched more D2 basketball than me kudos to you. 

[hoosierhoo]

12 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Trying to figure out if this is going to be a Stevens/Few positivity day or a Brownell/Turgeon wallow in misery day on BTB. Trending up but its early

Hornsby just showed up. Team Wallow is rallying.

[Hornsby]

I simply refuse to believe there's any real shot Brownell is an actual candidate. At BEST we are doing him a favor by "considering" him as a candidate.
Turgeon is just a meme started by one dude on this board lmao

I also never thought we would hire Mike Woodson. My expectations are getting lower by the day and probably for th best. Won't make a meh hire nearly as shocking.

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[IUGRAD06]

1 minute ago, Hornsby said:

So beard is out? Unreal.

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Poster came on and said there were more instances than the one where he was arrested with alcohol and abuse.  That checks with what people said about the Kentucky and Louisville searches.  They said that they uncovered more out there on him.  

[Hoosierfan1901]

2 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

So beard is out? Unreal.

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In a span of 2 hours yesterday, Rabby went from Beard being a legit candidate to then saying IU is moving on from him

[Hornsby]

Hornsby just showed up. Team Wallow is rallying.

Ok mr non team wallow just who are we going to hire. Do tell?

 

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[theriverpilot]

2 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

IUBB and NUFB really do feel similar, all the down to the school colors and saying "Go Big Red."  It freaks me out.

That said, in my opinion, IUBB and NUFB have different issues, and IUBB is more fixable than NUFB.  This is probably me rationalizing it some extent, but I think it's true.

NUFB has three pretty permanent problems:

1) They have a recruiting issue in that they're in the middle of nowhere.  To be an elite program you've got to recruit the country now and not just a region.  Lincoln is a hard place to recruit to -- it's far away and hard to get to for players, and their families have a tough time going to games too.  Not ideal.

2) Their their strength (steroid?) program is no longer the competitive advantage it was pre-2000.  Every school has a great strength program now that gets great results (without the 'roids).

3) Their NIL is good, but not top-10.

It's true Nebraska has struggled with their coaches, but they have pretty permanent structural programs that hold them back.

IUBB, as we know, seems to primarily be a coach selection problem that persisted mostly due to people meddling with the AD's job for 25 years. Everything needed to be a good program is still present: the top-5 monetary support, the huge fan support, nice facilities, nice town, location is reasonable, etc.

So, I think IUBB is a coach away from getting fixed.  That's not an easy fix, but it's just one move away.  NUFB even with a good coach is going to be fighting a tougher battle given their location, NIL levels, and some old advantages they will never have again.

The two have even tried similar routes; handing the keys over to an unqualified assistant.  Trying the former star player.  Then the latest coaching hot name. 

But I 100% agree with you on these points highlighted.   

[PartyintheVillas]

Just now, Hoosierfan1901 said:

In a span of 2 hours yesterday, Rabby went from Beard being a legit candidate to then saying IU is moving on from him

Rabby is posting for drama and enagagement as much as he is for real journalism. His job is to drive subs for Peegs.

[Hornsby]

Poster came on and said there were more instances than the one where he was arrested with alcohol and abuse.  That checks with what people said about the Kentucky and Louisville searches.  They said that they uncovered more out there on him.  

Amazing none of that never ever became public. Just how in the world can you hide something like that.

 

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[OKHOOSIER]

2 minutes ago, theriverpilot said:

The two have even tried similar routes; handing the keys over to an unqualified assistant.  Trying the former star player.  Then the latest coaching hot name. 

But I 100% agree with you on these points highlighted.   

To be fair hiring Scott Frost and hiring Mike Woodson are not remotely similar. Nebraska is yearning for a level of dominance that simply isn’t possible. We just wanna be mostly in the top-25 and not suck lol

[AH1971]

2 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Amazing none of that never ever became public. Just how in the world can you hide something like that.

 

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Please tell me you don't think the only people that have hit their significant other are the ones sitting in jail convicted for it?

[Alford Bailey]

I personally like McCollum but it’s too risky of a hire to make in the NIL era. Gotta get a guy who can leverage the $$ quickly to get wins.

[triple]

I've been fairly high on McCollum for a while and will be very supportive if it's him.  But I do have to admit that I worry about his pace of play.  I know that many fans would struggle with this alternative... but I see a lot to like about Alan Huss (appreciate Chris...I think it was Chris, for raising his name here).  Love his aggressive style of play and his demeanor on the sidelines and in press conferences.  He strikes me as a guy who can easily connect to top talent.  I'm sure his time at La Lumiere was beneficial.  He's probably not in the right place and time for this search, but I have a feeling he's going to become a household name among hoops fans.  

[IU Prof]

8 minutes ago, Hoosierfan1901 said:

In a span of 2 hours yesterday, Rabby went from Beard being a legit candidate to then saying IU is moving on from him

The vetting must have turned sour quickly!

[Silat Player]

13 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

IUBB and NUFB really do feel similar, all the down to the school colors and saying "Go Big Red."  It freaks me out.

That said, in my opinion, IUBB and NUFB have different issues, and IUBB is more fixable than NUFB.  This is probably me rationalizing it some extent, but I think it's true.

NUFB has three pretty permanent problems:

1) They have a recruiting issue in that they're in the middle of nowhere.  To be an elite program you've got to recruit the country now and not just a region.  Lincoln is a hard place to recruit to -- it's far away and hard to get to for players, and their families have a tough time going to games too.  Not ideal.

2) Their their strength (steroid?) program is no longer the competitive advantage it was pre-2000.  Every school has a great strength program now that gets great results (without the 'roids).

3) Their NIL is good, but not top-10.

It's true Nebraska has struggled with their coaches, but they have pretty permanent structural programs that hold them back.

IUBB, as we know, seems to primarily be a coach selection problem that persisted mostly due to people meddling with the AD's job for 25 years. Everything needed to be a good program is still present: the top-5 monetary support, the huge fan support, nice facilities, nice town, location is reasonable, etc.

So, I think IUBB is a coach away from getting fixed.  That's not an easy fix, but it's just one move away.  NUFB even with a good coach is going to be fighting a tougher battle given their location, NIL levels, and some old advantages they will never have again.

IU basketball is more akin to Alabama football. It is located in a fertile recruting ground, has a storied history and has a lot of resources, along with a rabid fanbase. 

It is also a high-pressure job that has eaten-up and spit-out more than a few coaches. 

However, if you hire the right coach, the program can win big. The comparisons to Nebraska football have always been dumb. 

[IU Prof]

20 minutes ago, TadQueasy said:

No way they surround any coach they hire this year with coaches like they did Woody.  That was a unique (terrible) situation. 

McCollum would not need this, nor any other of the coaches who have been mentioned in this thread. 

I think you'd have to surround McCollum with at least one elite recruiter, just to get him up to speed on that front.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Has anybody else been following CurryHicksSage on twitter? He's been hosting hours long coaching search season spaces every couple of nights. He's definitely plugged in, especially when it comes to low and mid major jobs. Very, very interesting to listen to. 

I'll try to summarize what he's said that pertains to IU. He's definitely getting info from the agent and search firm side of things. He's very transparent about where his sources come from and how reliable they may or may not be and is open about the fact that some people may be using him to plant smokescreens/disinfo.

1. On Friday and again last night he said the 2 names he's been hearing most related to the IU search are Brownell and McCollum. This could just be agents pushing things or where the search firm is on the vetting list.

2. On Brownell: he says according to a coach who worked with Brownell, he has one of the largest playbooks in D1 and it takes his teams forever to learn his offense. So in his opinion, he doesn't expect IU admin or fans to have the patience for a 3-4 year implementation plus the inevitable portal turnover setting things back. He doesn't see Brownell as a very good fit for IU.

3. On McCollum: He's an enormous fan of the guy and has been advocating for him for a few years now. Says McCollum is a pure ball coach -- "savant" level. But he makes a very compelling argument that the higher you go up the coaching ladder, the less the X's and O's matter. Still matters, but upper level jobs require coaches to be so much more than just ball coaches. And he points out that especially at Indiana, you have to be a politician/salesman as well. So he doesn't think McCollum is a good fit for IU either. Also notes McCollum was very careful about selecting which D1 job to step into and doesn't expect him to jump right to an IU level job. Notes that moving from Drake to IU is a much bigger step than moving from D2 to Drake.

4. His opinion is that IU should go after Wade but he doesn't think he'll be an option because IU wants a "clean" hire. Thinks Wade ends up at NC State.

Take it all with a grain of salt but the info lines up with what other sources have said this past week but moreover, the analysis is spot on, IMO. 

Personally, I'm on the Brad train until it derails but I wanted to share this info since it's out there and like I said, this guy seems very connected.