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2 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

This is going to be a great college basketball season. So much to watch, look forward too. Great returning players. Some “super teams”. Indiana a top caliber squad. Let’s go!


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[Stuhoo]

12 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Agreed. Things looking wonderfully Cream N Crimson.

I think Jett Howard was playing like a top 10 kid at the end of the season. Curious if he has a Caleb Houstan-Like season. I hope so.

B1G will be better than we all expect but we are going to be the favorites.

Wisconsin, Rutgers, Purdue will all be better than we anticipate. OSU and Illinois look good. MSU looks down but can’t ever count them out. Iowa has some pieces.


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I think Ohio State, Illinois, Rutgers, and MSU will be pretty good.

Purdue? It is with great joy that I say that their remaining guard options are basically nil, and that a guard rotation of Morton, Newman, an injured 5’11” freshman with no other P5 offers, and a good catch and shoot freshman ranked 90th is a disaster. 

They are an Edey sprained ankle away from Nebraska territory IMO.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

I think Ohio State, Illinois, Rutgers, and MSU will be pretty good.

Purdue? It is with great joy that I say that their remaining guard options are basically nil, and that a guard rotation of Morton, Newman, an injured 5’11” freshman with no other P5 offers, and a good catch and shoot freshman ranked 90th is a disaster. 

They are an Edey sprained ankle away from Nebraska territory IMO.

Hope ur right, but Kaufman, Furst, Edey, Gillis will be tough.  Guard play clearly will hold them back, but they have Morton who can handle and defend and Newman that might be a shooter. I think their bigs keep them relevant. They think (hope) they are getting Ramey.  

[Honkyman]

Purdue's front line will be among the best in the conference. Newman will start at the 2 and he is a really good shooter--a better 3-point shooter than any of IU's 3-point shooters. Purdue's problem will be at point guard. Matt Painter is a good coach, though, so Purdue should not be counted out.

[Tasmanian Devil]

4 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Hope ur right, but Kaufman, Furst, Edey, Gillis will be tough.  Guard play clearly will hold them back, but they have Morton who can handle and defend and Newman that might be a shooter. I think their bigs keep them relevant. They think (hope) they are getting Ramey.  

Guard play is the key element lacking for the Boilers. It was this past season and is amplified even more now.

If Morton is your lead guard, you’ve got big issues. And he’s the closest thing Purdue has to a competent PG. Everyone else (Ivey, Hunter, Thompson) from last year has either gone pro or transferred. Morton’s not a BAD player, but he more of a complimentary guy.
 

Asking him to be you main PG option is equivalent to expecting Trey Galloway be our top PG. 

[Stuhoo]

Newman has been really bad in two years at Purdue. Not a good defender. A shooter that doesn’t make shots.

Morton has never played the point in two years. Good assist to TO, but 2.7 ppg in 14.8 mpg last year. Remember when we were forced to try RoJo at the point? It’s about like that.

Ramey would help a ton, but Duke and Arizona are after him.

Purdue is set to be the slowest team in America. 

 

[Demo]

7 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Hope ur right, but Kaufman, Furst, Edey, Gillis will be tough.  Guard play clearly will hold them back, but they have Morton who can handle and defend and Newman that might be a shooter. I think their bigs keep them relevant. They think (hope) they are getting Ramey.  

Agree that their frontcourt can be very good. But if their plan to fix the backcourt is Courtney Ramey, they don’t have a plan. No chance. Btw: Nobody has made out better in this process than Ramey. A really good defender and decent secondary facilitator who doesn’t shoot it very well and has XJ-level emotional fluctuations has just sat on his hands for 2 months and now EVERYBODY wants him. Bravo.

[Stuhoo]

Just now, Demo said:

Agree that their frontcourt can be very good. But if their plan to fix the backcourt is Courtney Ramey, they don’t have a plan. No chance. Btw: Nobody has made out better in this process than Ramey. A really good defender and decent secondary facilitator who doesn’t shoot it very well and has XJ-level emotional fluctuations has just sat on his hands for 2 months and now EVERYBODY wants him. Bravo.

 

Courtney Ramey, Morton, or a freshman Braden Smith...who ya got?

Ramey is not a 30mpg point guard, but he's a whole lot better than their other options.

 

[Demo]

23 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Courtney Ramey, Morton, or a freshman Braden Smith...who ya got?

Ramey is not a 30mpg point guard, but he's a whole lot better than their other options.

 

Oh, Ramey, easily, they just have no chance to get him. If you believe what’s out there that Duke has reached out since they lost Keels and Arizona has since they lost Terry, combined with Louisville being on him from the jump and with the NIL opportunities there, Purdue is swimming with sharks.

[RaceToTheTop]

9 minutes ago, Demo said:

Oh, Ramey, easily, they just have no chance to get him. If you believe what’s out there that Duke has reached out since they lost Keels and Arizona has since they lost Terry, combined with Louisville being on him from the jump and with the NIL opportunities there, Purdue is swimming with sharks.

I'd put Ramey in the Jon Octeus type category and the Boilermakers finished 12-6 in conference with Octeus as their lead guard.  But if Arizona or Duke is offering him lead guard minutes plus a nice NIL chunk, I don't see him at Purdue.

[Stuhoo]

5 minutes ago, Demo said:

Oh, Ramey, easily, they just have no chance to get him. If you believe what’s out there that Duke has reached out since they lost Keels and Arizona has since they lost Terry, combined with Louisville being on him from the jump and with the NIL opportunities there, Purdue is swimming with sharks.

Agreed .. they have little to no chance at Ramey. But where does that leave them? I see a lot of 'but Painter is a good coach' posts and he is, but he has also had a tenth and twelfth place B1G finish in the last ten years.

I mean, if we saw a guard quartet of Morton, Loyer, Newman, and Braden Smith at any other school we'd be laughing hard. And that's it! There's no real likelihood of an addition.

As it was last year, Purdue underachieved and was bad defensively, largely because of a lack of team quickness and defensive recognition. This year they are going to be minus their four guards who played the most minutes from last year, and their big that played at crunch time because Edey doesn't move his feet well. And they've added nothing.

Seems like a bit of an indictment on Painter's ability to find a portal replacement.

[Stuhoo]

8 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I'd put Ramey in the Jon Octeus type category and the Boilermakers finished 12-6 in conference with Octeus as their lead guard.  But if Arizona or Duke is offering him lead guard minutes plus a nice NIL chunk, I don't see him at Purdue.

Sure. Ramey = Octeus. BTW, Octeus was backed up by PJ Thompson and Bryson Scott.

How about without Ramey? Morton is not a point and most certainly does not = Octeus.

[Hoosierfan2017]

4 hours ago, Honkyman said:

Purdue's front line will be among the best in the conference. Newman will start at the 2 and he is a really good shooter--a better 3-point shooter than any of IU's 3-point shooters. Purdue's problem will be at point guard. Matt Painter is a good coach, though, so Purdue should not be counted out.

Newman’s a career 35.3% from 3 on 3.5 shots per game in college. Last year he shot 32% from 3. Kopp and Johnson both shot better than that last year. Maybe he’s a shooter, but he hasn’t been a maker in college. 

[Brass Cannon]

Purdue Fans are rationalizing their guard line up the way we did the last couple years or Archie. That’s a problem. When you need 3 of 4 players to overachieve you are setting yourselves up for failure 

 

On the flip for the first time in a bit we have a 5 player line up of upper classmen that will be functional.  We know what it is.  TG and MK being starters.  Is this our best self. No it’s not but it’s a decent functioning line up.  But then on our bench we have two ultra talented 5 stars coming in and several returning players who if they put it all together they will add to our whole. 
 

Purdue is a bad team that if everything goes well they can be decent. We are a good team that if like 50% of our players get it together we will be damn good.  
 

Things have really flipped in two years 

[go iu bb]

5 hours ago, Honkyman said:

Newman will start at the 2 and he is a really good shooter--a better 3-point shooter than any of IU's 3-point shooters.

The stats don't back this up.

[RaceToTheTop]

6 hours ago, Honkyman said:

Purdue's front line will be among the best in the conference. Newman will start at the 2 and he is a really good shooter--a better 3-point shooter than any of IU's 3-point shooters. Purdue's problem will be at point guard. Matt Painter is a good coach, though, so Purdue should not be counted out.

If Newman was a really good shooter and better than any of IU's 3-point shooters, he wouldn't have been getting so many DNP--CDs last season.  He got unseated by Ethan Morton in the lineup, an unathletic wing whose main job was to only take wide open shots and not screw up.

I saw Newman play several times in high school and thought two things:  1.  He's more athletic than people give him credit for and 2. He was given an undeserved reputation as a natural shooter.  Newman had to work to get his shot and made a huge leap between his sophomore and junior year as a shooter, but he didn't have a great stroke.  Teams backed off of him a lot because of the fact he could blow by them....he ended up with a lion's share of open threes for that reason and he did well with using that time to set up.  Unfortunately he's not going to get that time to set up in college because he now isn't just going to beat his opponent with athleticism on the drive.

[Tasmanian Devil]

5 hours ago, Demo said:

Oh, Ramey, easily, they just have no chance to get him. If you believe what’s out there that Duke has reached out since they lost Keels and Arizona has since they lost Terry, combined with Louisville being on him from the jump and with the NIL opportunities there, Purdue is swimming with sharks.

 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

2 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

If Newman was a really good shooter and better than any of IU's 3-point shooters, he wouldn't have been getting so many DNP--CDs last season.  He got unseated by Ethan Morton in the lineup, an unathletic wing whose main job was to only take wide open shots and not screw up.

I saw Newman play several times in high school and thought two things:  1.  He's more athletic than people give him credit for and 2. He was given an undeserved reputation as a natural shooter.  Newman had to work to get his shot and made a huge leap between his sophomore and junior year as a shooter, but he didn't have a great stroke.  Teams backed off of him a lot because of the fact he could blow by them....he ended up with a lion's share of open threes for that reason and he did well with using that time to set up.  Unfortunately he's not going to get that time to set up in college because he now isn't just going to beat his opponent with athleticism on the drive.

So the question is... Who is now better off? Indiana going with Armaan Franklin or Purdue going with Newman?

[PB1230]

5 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Agreed .. they have little to no chance at Ramey. But where does that leave them? I see a lot of 'but Painter is a good coach' posts and he is, but he has also had a tenth and twelfth place B1G finish in the last ten years.

I mean, if we saw a guard quartet of Morton, Loyer, Newman, and Braden Smith at any other school we'd be laughing hard. And that's it! There's no real likelihood of an addition.

As it was last year, Purdue underachieved and was bad defensively, largely because of a lack of team quickness and defensive recognition. This year they are going to be minus their four guards who played the most minutes from last year, and their big that played at crunch time because Edey doesn't move his feet well. And they've added nothing.

Seems like a bit of an indictment on Painter's ability to find a portal replacement.

Not only does Purdue have limited guard depth/overall talent, but Painter has also almost exclusively utilized a 3 guard lineup for all of his tenure at Purdue, which will just magnify their issues.

[lillurk]

In re: PU guards discussion, I think Ethan Morton’s pretty good. But can we agree that you could summarize lots about the Archie era by recalling that he recruited Ethan Morton as though he was gonna solve lots of backcourt problems for IU?