Archie. Miller. Fired.

[bigrod]

Just now, Chris007 said:

You've been on here long enough to know we have idiots among us. Not talking this board, talking about IU fans in general

Yeah, I know - just my Monday morning failed attempt to be humorous.

[Deserthoozier]

17 hours ago, Magnanimous said:

So you’re saying he won’t get fired at tip-off of the first NCAA game like Crean was?

That counts as a deflection...+2 on the scorecard! 

[Golfman25]

2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

They don't have to be the same. You can work your @$$ off and not have success. Or you can be terrible at your job and fail up like a lot of people in this country do on a daily basis. Have people I know that have worked on this staff, attending practices myself, I know for a fact he has worked his @$$ off. Results just have been terrible. 

I know very few people who work hard and are not successful.  I suppose working hard, doing the same thing, and expecting different results -- well that's insanity, right.  

[Stuhoo]

1 hour ago, bigrod said:

You mean with the exception of us, right?

 

I am NOT AN IDIOT!

I'm just a little misguided.

 

[Josh]

56 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

I know very few people who work hard and are not successful.  I suppose working hard, doing the same thing, and expecting different results -- well that's insanity, right.  

Shoot, I hardly work at all!  I tell my boss all the time that I'm on cruise control.  Then again I only make 3% of Archie's salary

[NashvilleHoosier]

2 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

I know very few people who work hard and are not successful.  I suppose working hard, doing the same thing, and expecting different results -- well that's insanity, right.  

I guess you don't know many college basketball coaches? Or football coaches? Or just, coaches? I suppose it depends on your definition of success. But looking specifically at college basketball coaches, I'd guess that the overwhelming majority of them are seen as extremely hard workers. But a very significant percentage are not successful. 

[Hillsdale87]

Sincere question, do we think any individual, or even group of players would have mattered? IU has had some talent the last few years. Certainly flawed/unbalanced rosters, but would Henry or Garcia or fill-in-the-blank have made Archie a success? I doubt it. More wins, no doubt, but IU doesn't just seem to be a player or two away from being there. It seems like a mess and Archie appears to be at a loss on how to correct it. 

Yes, I think having Aaron Henry in the starting lineup over Durham would have made a massive difference this year. Archie has his issues as a coach, but the biggest issue is that there are 2 starting guards who likely wouldn't start at any other school. Replace Rob and Al with McKinley Wright and Henry, and things look a lot different.


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[Alford Bailey]

No doubt in my mind guard play is costing Archie his job. Had he been able to recruit over Al and Rob we probably arent having this discussion.

[Honkyman]

Archie tried to recruit over Rob Phinisee and Al Durham without success.

[Golfman25]

4 hours ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

I guess you don't know many college basketball coaches? Or football coaches? Or just, coaches? I suppose it depends on your definition of success. But looking specifically at college basketball coaches, I'd guess that the overwhelming majority of them are seen as extremely hard workers. But a very significant percentage are not successful. 

If you only define success via wins and losses, then yes by defitition only a small majority will be considered successful (someone has to win and someone has to loose).  And maybe they are working hard putting the time in, a la Archie, but not working smart?   

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

17 minutes ago, Honkyman said:

Archie tried to recruit over Rob Phinisee and Al Durham without success.

He successfully recruited Al with Romeo. But didn't recruit a guy to play the 3. So had to keep starting him. 

[HoosierDYT]

5 hours ago, Free Jurkin! said:

Yes, I think having Aaron Henry in the starting lineup over Durham would have made a massive difference this year. Archie has his issues as a coach, but the biggest issue is that there are 2 starting guards who likely wouldn't start at any other school. Replace Rob and Al with McKinley Wright and Henry, and things look a lot different.


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DJ Carton 

Andre Curbelo 

Dawson Garcia 

- Three recruits that would have significantly helped our team that we just barely missed out on 

[Stuhoo]

7 minutes ago, HoosierDYT said:

DJ Carton 

Andre Curbelo 

Dawson Garcia 

- Three recruits that would have significantly helped our team that we just barely missed out on 

Two of those three were also on a massively underachieving team this year.

 

[lillurk]

Just overwhelmingly embarrassing to read the quotes from CAM’s radio show tonight. Sounds like he’s trying, calmly, to make a case for another year, but in reality he’s undermining his capability?

Buck stops with you, man.

[kreigh8]

49 minutes ago, HoosierDYT said:

DJ Carton 

Andre Curbelo 

Dawson Garcia 

- Three recruits that would have significantly helped our team that we just barely missed out on 

While I'd love to have those guys, is Phinisee unable to play at a faster pace or is he not allowed to by Archie and the system? Serious question, as I am appalled at the statements made at that introductory press conference compared to what I've watched all year. Those 3 guys you listed certainly would help shoulder the load, especially with Franklin going down, but I'm not convinced those guys would be allowed any more freedom if Archie is indeed dictating the pace. It just leaves me so lost, as I can't understand why there's no attempt to run with how much we struggle to shoot the ball.

[AKHoosier]

17 minutes ago, lillurk said:

Just overwhelmingly embarrassing to read the quotes from CAM’s radio show tonight. Sounds like he’s trying, calmly, to make a case for another year, but in reality he’s undermining his capability?

Buck stops with you, man.

Nothing he said is untrue.

[coonhounds]

I see posters saying Jake forester and Justin Smith are looking good. If so what more evidence do we need to fire archie

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[lillurk]

10 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

Nothing he said is untrue.

I didn’t dispute their truthfulness. But

-team can’t shoot in an arena? Who’s job is it to recruit and develop shooters?

-the conference is good? Ok well he’s got more resources than just about anybody. Fran’s the only coach of the top ten teams in the conference who’s been on the job longer than Miller.

-Franklin has been hobbled, yep. Good development there. Why are we so thin?

-less room for error? Why’s that? Who’s responsible?

In general I’m open to explanations of why things didn’t work out (not just about IU basketball, but in general). Life’s complicated. But this is a sorry set of excuses if you’re the one in charge.

[TheWatShot]

I think this might be the first time I've ever heard a coach say his team will struggle to shoot the ball because of where a game is being played. 

[Hovadipo]

2 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

I think this might be the first time I've ever heard a coach say his team will struggle to shoot the ball because of where a game is being played. 

You serious? This is brought up every year during the Final Four. And there’s at least fans to provide some depth perception for that. Let’s try to be fair here.