IUBB vs Nebraska 12/13 8 pm BTN

[Brass Cannon]

Just now, Bigred3588 said:

It was a reference to the poster talking about Nebraska being a team of scrubs and the worst power 5 team in any conference and blah blah blah. The point is that 10 years ago we went 6-25 and even THAT team played some competitive games against solid competition. We’re 10-1 and people are b****ing because the wins aren’t pretty enough.

This is not one game. MSU didn’t play like crap 3 games in a row

[RaceToTheTop]

Side note -- 8 Big Ten teams have played two conference games;  every one of them is 1-1.

[Alford Bailey]

Anyone think Leal helps our shooting woes next year? I dont feel any of the current 2020 recruits are immediate impact guys.

[Bigred3588]

11 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Side note -- 8 Big Ten teams have played two conference games;  every one of them is 1-1.

Sounds like 8 Big Ten coaches need to be fired...DWS

[Bigred3588]

8 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Anyone think Leal helps our shooting woes next year? I dont feel any of the current 2020 recruits are immediate impact guys.

I don’t know much about Leal other than the fact that he’s a shooter, but I’m pretty excited for Galloway. I think that kid could be something special. 

[coonhounds]

The point was we’ve lost at home to Lipscomb. Indiana lost at home to Lipscomb. 

And I also threw in a home loss to Eastern Washington in year six and a loss to IUPUFW as the number 3 ranked team in the country. So in response to “nothing under Crean was ever this bad”, yes it was. A lot. 

Omg yes the fortwayne loss will go down in history. That was 95 percent Hoosier fans in the summit city

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[Magnanimous]

49 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

This is not one game. MSU didn’t play like crap 3 games in a row

I’m of the opinion that except for rare 5* talents (TJD), freshmen aren’t real basketball players at this level. Transitioning to college itself is difficult enough, and throw in balancing basketball time commitments, being undersized and needing to bulk up, being on national TV every game, etc., you’re really in an observation and testing the waters phase. You’re an intern,  not an employee. 

So we’re in our first year of Archie’s guys having this be “their team” and not guests on a roster. It’s December 13th and we’re 10-1. This team is a major work in progress, but you can’t deny they’re playing aggressive and busting their butts out there on both ends. We just got our star PG back. It’s not about how you’re playing now but how you develop throughout the year. Players emerge, benches tighten. 

I understand the frustration but if we had beaten Wisconsin and played exactly the same tonight with the same OT win, would people be complaining this much? Again, it’s December.

[RaceToTheTop]

12 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Anyone think Leal helps our shooting woes next year? I dont feel any of the current 2020 recruits are immediate impact guys.

Jerry Meyer lists comps of some recruits.  He gives Dakota Mathis as a comp for Anthony Leal and Andrew White III as a comp for Jordan Geronimo;  no comp listed for Galloway.  Both were solid college players but they both took a couple of years before they were solid impact guys.  

Leal is definitely the best shooter of the three.  Galloway is a hard nosed, athletic kid but perimeter shooting is not his forte.  But in other areas Leal is probably behind Galloway and Geronimo.

Likely we will need to see guys on our roster start hitting shots not only the rest of this year but next.  

[Magnanimous]

1 minute ago, coonhounds said:

Omg yes the fortwayne loss will go down in history. That was 95 percent Hoosier fans in the summit city

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That team also beat UNC, who won the NCAAT that year, and Kansas, who was also a 1-seed. If they didn’t lose to Fort Wayne that team would’ve been ranked #1 in December that year, and probably would’ve still missed the tournament...Has any other team ever beaten two 1-seeds in a season and still missed the NCAAT?

[Old Friend]

28 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

Good for you finding positives (sincerely) but I don't see anything positive out of this. Absolutely nothing. IU was out-hustled in every facet of the game. Played lazy, indifferent defense like getting torched by 150lb walk-ons driving for lay-ups from 25ft out. Missed FT's, sloppy passes and unforced TO's. It was a complete train wreck against a collection of scrubs that couldn't make most D1 rosters. I am discouraged and every time I think there is light at the end of the tunnel a humiliation like this game happens. 

Why jump off a cliff like a lemming?  The Big Ten has been weird all week and I don't know why you'd be humiliated by a win when you've seen some of the upsets which have happened this season.  Hell, Maryland lost to Penn State who barely beat Yale.

You don't see the positive in out rebounding a team by 23?  I do.  I also see positive in shooting 38 FT's.    Nebraska deserves some credit...they made a whole lot of tough shots and kept pinching when they got down.   We missed a whole lot of open looks which had we made....30% more?  Completely different game.   We didn't defend well.  No doubt.  That has to improve, but the reality is we have 2 guards in Durham and Green who are awful defending the ball.  We're 10-1 and I still say the trend is upward, even if I'm alone on that island.   Indiana has won 2 games this week it loses a year or two ago.   That, to me is positive.   Not pretty and a hell of a lot to work on, but at the end of the day?  We're 10-1 with every realistic possibility to end December 13-3.    Ugly?  Absolutely.  Needs improvement?   Absolutely.  Some veteran players need a foot in the backside?   Absolutely.   

[coonhounds]

#winning ugly lol were Hoosiers basketball is to be played a certain way and davis crean and so far archie are not up to par

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[TheWatShot]

57-54 and we look like crap. 

96-90 and we look like crap. 

 

Guess it'll be another week before we have a chance to look like crap again. 

[coonhounds]

However a good must win game move on

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[DChoosier]

30 minutes ago, Bigred3588 said:

Someone brought up the early Crean teams so I went back and looked at the schedule from that season. I wonder if the MSU fans were melting down when their top-10 ranked team only managed a 5 point win against an IU team that had to recruit players at baseball tryouts and actually dressed a team manager at one point.

A big and comforting difference for MSU fans is the success they have experienced over multiple years. Due to our lack of success I think we suffer from a severe case of “here we go again” trauma. 

I for one would like to be cured.

[Old Friend]

5 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Jerry Meyer lists comps of some recruits.  He gives Dakota Mathis as a comp for Anthony Leal and Andrew White III as a comp for Jordan Geronimo;  no comp listed for Galloway.  Both were solid college players but they both took a couple of years before they were solid impact guys.  

Leal is definitely the best shooter of the three.  Galloway is a hard nosed, athletic kid but perimeter shooting is not his forte.  But in other areas Leal is probably behind Galloway and Geronimo.

Likely we will need to see guys on our roster start hitting shots not only the rest of this year but next.  

Galloway will remind people of Dane Fife.   Leal can flat shoot it.  

[Alford Bailey]

In the last three games where the level of competition has greatly improved we are shooting 23% from three. Worrisome moving forward.

[mdn82]

57-54 and we look like crap. 

96-90 and we look like crap. 

 

Guess it'll be another week before we have a chance to look like crap again. 

Yep, can’t wait for the Classic. Always a good time.

 

 

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[RaceToTheTop]

In the end, I'd much rather be correcting things after a win than a loss.  We are going to lose some games in the Big Ten that you wouldn't expect us to and we are going to win some games you wouldn't have expected us to.  Tonight wasn't the unexpected loss we could have had.

[RaceToTheTop]

2 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

Galloway will remind people of Dane Fife.   Leal can flat shoot it.  

I've considered Will Sheehey to be a decent comp for Galloway.

[DChoosier]

31 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Not sure TJD is surrounded by any better shooters.  I do think TJD presents himself better to guards than Vonleh did which is why he is scoring more.  A lot got blamed on our guards not getting the ball to Vonleh -- and they didn't -- but I think he didn't help out that much in flashing, either.

100%.

Vonleh would often stand sideways with his arm up in the air. I would laugh when Dickie V would yell “get him the ball” because Vonleh did not seal off his man or give the guards a viable passing lane. Not surprising for a very young big man. He was a monster on the boards though.

When it comes to instinctively knowing what to do on offense, freshman TJD is way ahead of freshman Vonleh.