IUBB vs Nebraska 12/13 8 pm BTN

[jk34]

29 minutes ago, JaybobHoosier said:

 

Lets not forget though it can be tough to come in as a Freshman with a vigorous training/lifting schedule where your body changes. Not saying that’s a huge problem, but it can play a factor.

I’ve calmed down since last night, but still very worried we might be on a similar path as lat year. I don’t think as severe, which means a tourney birth, but still very worrisome.

This team does ooze potential to be very good, especially when clicking. Just don’t get the inconsistency and lack of want to at times.


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Hopefully Rob will solve a lot of the head scratching issues we're seeing!

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Nothing could be further from the truth.

We had the 11-12, 12-13 and 15-16 seasons under Crean. Those are 3 of the Top 5 seasons we’ve had since Knight was fired. The 12-13 team was arguably the best team we’ve had since he was fired.


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[BottomLine]

Is the sky falling or something?  Really enjoyed the game last night and let's give some credit to Fred Hoiberg for putting together an excellent game plan that his team followed.  I wouldn't expect less from Hoiberg.  He is an excellent coach.  On offense they spread IU out and made us play one-on-one defense.  Five out and none in means that our bigs have to come outside and guard on the perimeter and we got exposed.  In addition it takes away our help defense since it pulls players back inside and leaves open shooters on the outside.  The move took Brunk and Davis out of the game and negated one of our biggest advantages.  Nebraska also ran some clear-outs where we were forced to play one-on-one.  Folks that is how you beat a pack line defense.  They forced IU to defend the outside instead of the inside.  That is how you turn a plus (our size) into a negative and is the product of good coaching.

On defense, Nebraska tried to take away our inside game by giving us all the outside shots was could want and more.  We choked on that diet until the second half when we started to go inside and Jackson-Davis and Smith started to take over.  Simply put, Nebraska had too little size and too many fouls to stop us inside.  That is why I never thought the game was in doubt.  Credit MIller for correcting our offense on the fly.

Credit Fred Hoiberg for an excellent job of coaching last night.  He turned the game into a chess match and made it close as a result.  Unfortunately for Nebraska they did not have enough pieces to win the game, but they certainly game us a game that we will remember.

The Big 10 is full of good coaches and they all look at film.  last year it didn't take them long to figure out that Indiana had Langford and Morgan and not much else.  Game plan to stop those two and you stop IU.  You can bet that those coaches will now be looking at film of last night's game and the Wisconsin game for how to stop the Hoosiers.  This is where MIller earns those big bucks that we are paying him.  This is his team that he has assembled and I'm sure he is aware of exactly what happened last night.  The weight now falls on his shoulders to find a way to fix the problems.  I'm not sure exactly what that may be (They aren't paying me those big bucks to fix anything).  There has to be a solution.  We aren't just going to throw the season away.  My fear is that there won't be a solution coming because Coach Miller can be pretty inflexible at times.  My feeling is that if something isn't working, fix it!   I like Coach MIller and I like the team he has assembled.  I desperately want the Hoosier to do well.  But, if you are going to evaluate the job Coach Miller has done at IU, this is where you begin.  Don't give me excuses.  I'm only interested in results.  I hope we can find a way.

[cappymo14]

After watching the game again this morning, I think I’ll put some things out there. The consensus is that though this was a win, it’s an embarrassment. Ugly-win. Maybe. Why though? Because Nebraska was easily handled and badly out scored in previous games? One thing though, nobody ever mentioned who played really, really well. Better than I’d seen all year. Nebraska did. I believe what we saw was a team that everyone expected to lay down, decided not too. They played excellent basketball. They made tough shots, played together, found a weakness and exploited it as long as they could. We should have won comfortably on paper. Wasn’t played on paper though. We saw a team that gave their best possible effort and still came up short. Caught them on a bad night is what I’m saying.
Indiana turns it over and has glaring deficiencies on the defensive end of the floor. I believe the defensive woes to be systematic in nature and fixable if the coaching staff adjusts. It wasn’t an embarrassment though. Not at all. They will have learned something about their defense and how teams plan to attack. A lot of players had good games on both ends. Wasn’t a one man show. That’s a good thing. Deron Davis had good minutes, Joe Brunk did good things as well. Justin Smith, Al, Hunter. All positive. Rob and Green too. All the guys had a positive column that was taller than the negative. Not even ugly really. A team came in to AH and played surprisingly tough, and we matched every run they had. On to the next one.


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[Ranger78]

Cappy. I watched the game again today. And I agree a lot of it was Nebraska playing really well. We still have a lot to work on, but you make a lot of valid points. Too many bad TO and we need to continue to work inside out. If we can make some outside shots, we will open the floodgates on the offense end. Too many easy drives to the basket, but that was caused by some bad shooters making shots.


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[cappymo14]

Cappy. I watched the game again today. And I agree a lot of it was Nebraska playing really well. We still have a lot to work on, but you make a lot of valid points. Too many bad TO and we need to continue to work inside out. If we can make some outside shots, we will open the floodgates on the offense end. Too many easy drives to the basket, but that was caused by some bad shooters making shots.  

 

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I’m convinced of it. That Nebraska just simply played above their potential Friday. It happens with some regularity in Div 1. Even with Indiana in past times. That said, there is also no question that our defensive system has certain flaws which allow middling teams to gain confidence and comfort given that there is a specific, known, blueprint on how to defeat it. We need to figure out a way to keep perimeter players in front without any overhelp which keeps leading to open looks. Teams will spread it out and ball screen until they get a mismatch. It’s what I’d do. Rob will help with that some, but all the guys have to work very hard on fighting through those screens. We over help unnecessarily in these situations. Good thing is, not all teams can play 5 out. Against those clubs, IU bigs can back off and play the same game Nebraska used against us...Goad non-shooters into taking the shots we want them to take. Might not be able to fix everything this year, or any other. This is a talented team of smart, quick, athletic players. If we can’t make the system hum with these guys, who does it take then?

 

 

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[OliviaPope40]

I have tickets to next Saturday's game and I told my dad the game tying 3 was coming. 

[cthomas]

8 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

We had the 11-12, 12-13 and 15-16 seasons under Crean. Those are 3 of the Top 5 seasons we’ve had since Knight was fired. The 12-13 team was arguably the best team we’ve had since he was fired.


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I didn't see anything from Crean that remotely reminded me of Knight. Good teams? Sure. Style of play or points of emphasis? Not at all.

[DChoosier]

1 hour ago, cthomas said:

I didn't see anything from Crean that remotely reminded me of Knight. Good teams? Sure. Style of play or points of emphasis? Not at all.

They both worked at Assembly Hall.
Aside from that no other similarities come to mind.

[DChoosier]

1 hour ago, cthomas said:

I didn't see anything from Crean that remotely reminded me of Knight. Good teams? Sure. Style of play or points of emphasis? Not at all.

If fairness he said “since Knight was fired”. Don’t think he was comparing Crean to Knight.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

I didn't see anything from Crean that remotely reminded me of Knight. Good teams? Sure. Style of play or points of emphasis? Not at all.

Those teams played good offense and defense. The 12-12 and 15-16 teams won some grinding games and put points on teams. That’s what we expect right?


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[cthomas]

13 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

If fairness he said “since Knight was fired”. Don’t think he was comparing Crean to Knight.

The original post was something about Crean being the closest to getting back to Knight which I took as a comparison between the two. If we are just talking about winning games, it's a different conversation. As screwed up as he was, Sampson was closer to Knight stylistically than Crean.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

The original post was something about Crean being the closest to getting back to Knight which I took as a comparison between the two. If we are just talking about winning games, it's a different conversation. As screwed up as he was, Sampson was closer to Knight stylistically than Crean.

Right. Out of Davis, Sampson, Crean and Archie, Crean has been the closest. It doesn’t mean it’s close. Just the closest. As in Denver is closer to Boston that Salt Lake City, LA and Portland.


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[JSHoosier]

1 hour ago, cthomas said:

I didn't see anything from Crean that remotely reminded me of Knight. Good teams? Sure. Style of play or points of emphasis? Not at all.

I don't think it was meant as a comparison as much as just pointing out that some of our more successful seasons post-RMK came with Crean as coach.  Oy, that is sad and depressing since it's true.

Coaching basketball in Assembly Hall is about the only comparison between them.  RMK was incredible at that, Crean tried.

[Hillsdale87]

Anybody feeling better about Friday night's game with Nebraska currently beating up Purdue? Hoiberg appears to have them playing pretty well


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[HoosierAloha]

Anybody feeling better about Friday night's game with Nebraska currently beating up Purdue? Hoiberg appears to have them playing pretty well


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Bottom Line, IU should have taken care of Nebrasketball earlier and not let them make a few amazing plays late to send it to overtime. It’s conference play now and there won’t be crazy blowouts (unless it’s IU playing at Wiscy).


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[Alford Bailey]

1 hour ago, Free Jurkin! said:

Anybody feeling better about Friday night's game with Nebraska currently beating up Purdue? Hoiberg appears to have them playing pretty well


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I always feel good about a Purdue loss

[BottomLine]

For the Sky is Falling Club that thinks IU should be embarrassed by our win over Nebraska, and that Nebraska resembles something smelly that my dogs left in the back yard, Nebraska just beat Purdue by 14. 

[Honkyman]

Nebraska won at home. Big 10 teams are undefeated at home in conference play so far this season. What was troubling about Friday night's game was that it resembled for too much the conference play of last season--unforced turnovers, poor defense, inability to hit 3-point shots and free throws (until the end), lackluster effort through much of the game, and Archie Miller being out-coached by the opposing coach. That IU won on Friday (narrowly in overtime) or that Nebraska defeated Purdue in Lincoln today does not change the fact that there are serious problems with the team's play that must be fixed if IU is going to make the NCAA tournament.

[Stuhoo]

9 minutes ago, Honkyman said:

Nebraska won at home. Big 10 teams are undefeated at home in conference play so far this season. What was troubling about Friday night's game was that it resembled for too much the conference play of last season--unforced turnovers, poor defense, inability to hit 3-point shots and free throws (until the end), lackluster effort through much of the game, and Archie Miller being out-coached by the opposing coach. That IU won on Friday (narrowly in overtime) or that Nebraska defeated Purdue in Lincoln today does not change the fact that there are serious problems with the team's play that must be fixed if IU is going to make the NCAA tournament.

So basically, when we played like crap and Nebraska played really well...

we won.